Jeremy Clarkson sacked by The BBC

[330CIZHP]

Die hard fans would have sent death threats regardless of whether Clarkson resigned (or more appropriately, forced to resign) or not. Clarkson is not to blame for how the fans react. It is not his responsibility to police the fans. It would not have made one iota of difference considering people sending death threats are not in the right frame of mind.

 

[SDNR]

Don't go there. There are many things wrong in the world and one of them people like you think they know better than us. You want to start politics intervention discussion?

People who think they know better than us

......that is one of the things that annoys me most.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

People who think they know better than us

......that is one of the things that annoys me most.

Don't go there. There are many things wrong in the world and one of them people like you think they know better than us. You want to start politics intervention discussion?

Oh this is pathetic. "People like you?" Really? Care to explain?

And this has got nothing to do with geopolitics so don't start taking it down that avenue. It's about JC punching somebody.

What is wrong with the World is people's selfishness. Period.

 

[Giannis]

Yeah, let's fine every wrong doer and forget morals.

I hope you are ironic, with this post of yours.

Quite to the contrary. Clarkson hitting the producer is actually pretty weak, not because of the physical altercation part, but because you already should have the authority as the boss and having to resort to violence shows that you don't have a solid grip on that authority.

Hitting your boss, though, that's pretty cool, let's admit that. And again if you were the boss and got hit by your subordinate, it's actually time to show why you are the boss, show that you have the character to raise above that and the ability to reinstate your authority without having to resort to external means (i.e. firing him) by simply keeping your cool, making fun of his punch etc (or better yet, dodging .

Either way, if we were to act, and not just pretend, like the job actually matters, then no-one should be automatically fired because of something that has nothing to do with the said job. The only time you should fire someone is when the conflict poses a real threat to the integrity of the team, or your ability to lead the team. Which shouldn't honestly be that often.

Seriously?

Seriously?

Throwing punches around your workplace is acceptable? It's a matter of authority?

You throw punches around when you're a monkey, not when you are a serious about his job public servant.

Wow!

 

[martinbo]

Tread carefully in this thread if you want the debate to continue.

This is not about politics. [totally off-topic]

This is not about conspiracy theories. [baseless speculation]

This is about an employee being assaulted by a superior and that this is not only morally indefensible but also actionable by virtue of disciplinary action i.e. dismissal. [fact]

 

[martinbo]

In fact, thinking about it more, for the sake of peace and harmony on this forum I am putting it to the community and fellow mods: do we keep this thread open?

 

[Mick Briesgau]

If you ask me, everything has been said. So close it down.

 

[klier]

This is about an employee being assaulted by a superior and that this is not only morally indefensible but also actionable by virtue of disciplinary action i.e. dismissal. [fact]

This is about sooo much more than that!
An employee being assaulted...you're helping pulling everything out of proportions. Were you there when it happened? Or are you simply following English sensationalist press?
I am not saying nothing happened, but shutting down the show because of this incident with a drunk person? Pffff, don't make me laugh, this is vlown completely and utterly out of proportions.

In fact, thinking about it more, for the sake of peace and harmony on this forum I am putting it to the community and fellow mods: do we keep this thread open?

Just close it. Good members are going to be banned otherwise. I am at the verge of going on a spree here in this thread.

I just can't stand some of the comments here, angers to no end.

 

[martinbo]

This is about sooo much more than that!
An employee being assaulted...you're helping pulling everything out of proportions. Were you there when it happened? Or are you simply following English sensationalist press?
I am not saying nothing happened, but shutting down the show because of this incident with a drunk person? Pffff, don't make me laugh, this is vlown completely and utterly out of proportions.




Just close it. Good members are going to be banned otherwise. I am at the verge of going on a spree here in this thread.

I just can't stand some of the comments here, angers to no end.

To say that I am completely bemused by your outbursts is an understatement. I simply cannot understand why the support for Clarkson is so vehement.
klier, are you saying that this whole situation is a ruse engineered to stop the Hyperbrid comparison from taking place?

 

[SDNR]

People who think they know better than us

......that is one of the things that annoys me most.

In fact, thinking about it more, for the sake of peace and harmony on this forum I am putting it to the community and fellow mods: do we keep this thread open?

Oh dear God.


Martin, I know you and the mods are well meaning but sometimes it's best to just let the argument run its course.

We're big boys.

Thanks for caring though

 

[klier]

klier, are you saying that this whole situation is a ruse engineered to stop the Hyperbrid comparison from taking place?

I was saying that yes, but it obviously was a joke.

And I can't understand why people are so desperate to hate on him, when you have like 20.000 other channels on tv that might interest you (not directed at you Martin).

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Were you there when it happened? Or are you simply following English sensationalist press?

This incident happened almost a month ago. Clarkson reported HIMSELF to the BBC. The BBC spent a week investigating what happened, interviewing witnesses. In the intervening period Clarkson has attempted to apologise to the producer, and has admitted during that time, publicly, that he's probably going to be sacked. The BBC did sack him. The matter is now closed.

And yet you're asking "were you there?" and "English sensationalist press"? Do you not think if the facts were not as they've been represented somebody would have complained. Oh I don't know, maybe Clarkson?

Good God, this is unbelievable.


And, whilst the thread is still open, this piece sums up EXACTLY how I feel.

https://sturdyblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/25/why-does-jeremy-clarkson-get-me-so-angry/


"He enables and emboldens xenophobia to a significant degree and, each time the BBC stood behind him, it felt like they were cool with that. He seemed to be the entertainment equivalent of Nigel Farage. I know many of you don’t see the fuss about calling Mexicans “lazy, feckless and flatulent”, or going to Argentina and making fun of a conflict in which over 900 young soldiers lost their lives, or calling his black dog Drogba, or using the word ‘n****r’, or calling a Thai man a ‘slope’, or travelling through India on a train the side of which reads “Eat English Muff”, or calling Romania ‘gypsy country’. But cumulatively this stuff has an effect. As does making fun of murdered prostitutes, attacking a politician because of his disability, making Nazi salutes at a German car and joking about killing Albanians."


He calls his black dog "Drogba". In a way, these kind of casual racists are worse than the extreme far right racists. At least with the far right, they don't pretend they're doing nothing wrong, and you can usually spot them a mile off. With the casual racists it's not so easy, and idiots find it difficult to spot when they're making awful remarks. So they stand behind them spouting "political correctness gone mad!"

 

[Betty Swollocks]

And I can't understand why people are so desperate to hate on him

Oh my God. What does "hating" have to do with anything?! It's not as if he's done nothing wrong and people are saying he should be sacked! Whilst on a final warning for other offences he launched a xenophobic attack on a colleague and PUNCHED him. Not only is this wrong on many levels, IT'S A CRIMINAL OFFENCE!!!

 

[SDNR]

This incident happened almost a month ago. Clarkson reported HIMSELF to the BBC. The BBC spent a week investigating what happened, interviewing witnesses. In the intervening period Clarkson has attempted to apologise to the producer, and has admitted during that time, publicly, that he's probably going to be sacked. The BBC did sack him. The matter is now closed.

And yet you're asking "were you there?" and "English sensationalist press"? Do you not think if the facts were not as they've been represented somebody would have complained. Oh I don't know, maybe Clarkson?

Good God, this is unbelievable.


And, whilst the thread is still open, this piece sums up EXACTLY how I feel.

https://sturdyblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/25/why-does-jeremy-clarkson-get-me-so-angry/


"He enables and emboldens xenophobia to a significant degree and, each time the BBC stood behind him, it felt like they were cool with that. He seemed to be the entertainment equivalent of Nigel Farage. I know many of you don’t see the fuss about calling Mexicans “lazy, feckless and flatulent”, or going to Argentina and making fun of a conflict in which over 900 young soldiers lost their lives, or calling his black dog Drogba, or using the word ‘n****r’, or calling a Thai man a ‘slope’, or travelling through India on a train the side of which reads “Eat English Muff”, or calling Romania ‘gypsy country’. But cumulatively this stuff has an effect. As does making fun of murdered prostitutes, attacking a politician because of his disability, making Nazi salutes at a German car and joking about killing Albanians."


He calls his black dog "Drogba". In a way, these kind of casual racists are worse than the extreme far right racists. At least with the far right, they don't pretend they're doing nothing wrong, and you can usually spot them a mile off. With the casual racists it's not so easy, and idiots find it difficult to spot when they're making awful remarks. So they stand behind them spouting "political correctness gone mad!"

Well sure, Clarkson pushes the limits of acceptabilty in contemporary Western society ......but are you, personally, genuinely outraged by his actions or is this just more of the contrived Social Cohesion - Communitarian - collective overreaction to anyone who doesn't follow the "rules"?

I don't know about you but I'm sick to death of the social engineering and thought policing we have to put up with these days ......everyone's so desperate to be offended by bloody everything!

 

[klier]

Whilst on a final warning for other offences he launched a xenophobic attack on a colleague and PUNCHED him. Not only is this wrong on many levels, IT'S A CRIMINAL OFFENCE!!!

Xenophobic is a word I don't know. But he did indeed attack someone. I just think they could have handled it very differently and keep everybody happy in the end. Things happen in the heat of the moment when you're drunk and it's late. Not saying it's good, far from that, but everything that happened afterwards is just idiocy of the highest level.

Idiotic, hypocrite and the whole nine yards.

 

[SDNR]

Xenophobia is generally a fear of other cultures and foreign customs. It can sometimes lead to prejudice.

 

[Mick Briesgau]

@ Klier
xenofobie= angst voor alles wat vreemd, ongewoon en onbekend is. Veelal ook gebruikt in de betekenis vreemdelingenhaat.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

......but are you, personally, genuinely outraged by his actions or is this just more of the contrived Social Cohesion - Communitarian - collective overreaction to anyone who doesn't follow the "rules".

No, I'm not offended one bit by Clarkson, and never did I say I was. Why would I be? I'm not an ethnic minority. I'm not disabled. I'm a privileged, middle-class, middle-aged, white male. I'm not in JC's gun sights.

But that doesn't mean that I think it's acceptable for somebody to behave in the manner JC has over the years. By not sacking him the BBC would be saying that it's acceptable to punch a colleague.

I don't know about you but I'm sick to death of the social engineering and thought policing we have to put up with these days ......everyone's so desperate to be offended by bloody everything!

I agree that people can get over-upset about trivial things, and there ARE examples of political correctness gone mad. This isn't it. Not by a long chalk.

Xenophobic is a word I don't know. But he did indeed attack someone. I just think they could have handled it very differently and keep everybody happy in the end.

He was already on a final warning after many warnings previously for various incidents over the years. Arguably his most serious offence was this one.

 

[SDNR]

I agree with you Betty, he deserved to be sacked. His behaviour has been terrible.

However, I do believe that JC's popularity has a lot to do with the fact that he doesn't play the game.

I swear it sometimes seems like Western males have been chemically castrated via the water supply. Clarkson, as flawed as he is, is appealing because he is just a guy ......he's never tried to be one of the high-and-mighty know-it-all's who lectures us on how we should behave; he's reckless and irresponsible.

I don't for a minute believe that Clarkson is racist or prejudice towards women, gays, or the disabled. He's made some dumb comments in the past that some people took offence at ....but so has Prince Philip and U.S. Vice President Joe Biden.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I swear it sometimes seems like Western males have been chemically castrated via the water supply. Clarkson, as flawed as he is, is appealing because he is just a guy ......he's never tried to be one of the high-and-mighty know-it-all's who lectures us on how we should behave; he's reckless and irresponsible.

"Political correctness gone mad" is a catch all statement that ignorant people use to try to justify their distasteful thoughts, but rarely nowadays is it used correctly. If people want to fight for their right to call Mexicans "fat and lazy, and their food looks like sick", or want to laugh because they've named their dog after a black player, "you know, because it's black", then count me out. Had he got a white dog, would he have called it John Terry? I doubt it.



But that is not political correctness gone mad. That's just being a decent human being.