Huayra [Hot!] Pagani Huayra R

[StartYourEngines]

The engine is presented as new - Pagani V12-R - but is almost certainly an evolution of the Mercedes 112GT engine from the Zonda R as expected.

I don't think so.
The engine should be new, created from scratch and, according to Pagani, it features a 200 bar direct injection system.
The ex CLK GTR V12 was not direct injected as far as I know.

 

[Centurion]

Magnificent for my imagery day at Spa with my non-existent billionaire patrons.

The engine is presented as new - Pagani V12-R - but is almost certainly an evolution of the Mercedes 112GT engine from the Zonda R as expected.

Who would have done the engineering work to evolve the engine. Mercedes or Pagani?

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Magnificent for my imagery day at Spa with my non-existent billionaire patrons.


Who would have done the engineering work to evolve the engine. Mercedes or Pagani?

Probably AMG, right?

 

[StartYourEngines]

Probably AMG, right?

The engine is bespoke for the Huayra R, created from a blank sheet in collaboration with HWA AG.
It features a 200 bar direct injection system.

Nothing to do with the Zonda R unit.

 

[Bridster]

I don't think so.
The engine should be new, created from scratch and, according to Pagani, it features a 200 bar direct injection system.
The ex CLK GTR V12 was not direct injected as far as I know.

I rate the engine being completely new as extremely unlikely. Very likely it's the same block with new heads. Designing a new engine from scratch is not gonna happen for a 30 car run. Also, if it was a new engine, then it would be a bit of a failure, imo. The Cosworth V12 in the Valkyrie only weighs 8kg more, but develops 150PS more and lasts 10x longer (and passes road legality). If they had to work with an already existing engine, though, then you can understand how it would probably not end up being as good as an engine that is actually made from scratch.

Who would have done the engineering work to evolve the engine. Mercedes or Pagani?

HWA.

 

[StartYourEngines]

I rate the engine being completely new as extremely unlikely. Very likely it's the same block with new heads. Designing a new engine from scratch is not gonna happen for a 30 car run. Also, if it was a new engine, then it would be a bit of a failure, imo. The Cosworth V12 in the Valkyrie only weighs 8kg more, but develops 150PS more and lasts 10x longer. If they had to work with an already existing engine, though, then you can understand how it would probably not end up being as good as an engine that is actually made from scratch.

From all that is officially said and done, the engine appears to be completely different.
Still even to "just" integrate a direct injection system in an "old" V12 race-derived engine would be a major overhaul in itself.

This still doesn't mean that I don't agree with you about the comparison with the Cosworth unit: to me in fact there's no comparison at all.

 

[LaArtist]

Insanity.. f#cking love it. Cant wait to see it move and a possible review

 

[TopspeedPT]

I would love to rave about the sound of the engine, but - for some reason - there is no engine sound in the video! And only a render to look at. Come on, Pagani! You can do a better reveal than that!

 

[Bridster]

Oh, awesome! Not sure why I am hearing it on Taiwanese Top Gear, though... and why the specs mentioned in the video don't match the official specs .

 

[PanterroR]

I rate the engine being completely new as extremely unlikely. Very likely it's the same block with new heads. Designing a new engine from scratch is not gonna happen for a 30 car run. Also, if it was a new engine, then it would be a bit of a failure, imo. The Cosworth V12 in the Valkyrie only weighs 8kg more, but develops 150PS more and lasts 10x longer (and passes road legality). If they had to work with an already existing engine, though, then you can understand how it would probably not end up being as good as an engine that is actually made from scratch.

HWA.

Man, you're simply too much for some of us here...

 

[merc4]

according to autobild.de the engine is completely new, developed with Mercedes motor sport department HWA AG.

 

[Bridster]

according to autobild.de the engine is completely new, developed with Mercedes motor sport department HWA AG.

I did some more research and it doesn't appear that HWA have the ability to develop an engine from scratch. They developed several engines for motorsport, but all were based on existing units. They also did the engine for the Apollo IE, but that was, again, based on the Enzo engine. HWA were also the guys who did the CLK GTR and are a partner and supplier to Mercedes-AMG, so taking a Mercedes engine and modifying it is pretty much in the middle of their ball park.

Yes, Pagani are saying in their own release that the engine is "designed from the ground up," but you need to take into account that's what all the companies that take an engine and modify it in some way say. After all, if you change some part on the engine, it's not the same engine as it was before, right? I would still bet anything it's heavily based on the Zonda R engine (or some other Mercedes V12 possibly) and it's using the same block at the very least. As I mentioned, for a run of only 30 cars it would make absolutely no sense to develop an engine from scratch (which costs an absolute fortune) instead of taking an existing engine and modifying it - especially since you've already engaged the one company that specializes in exactly that - modifying Mercedes engines for racing applications.

 

[bmwz4coupe]

How we will miss engines like this in the future...

 

[LaArtist]

I did some more research and it doesn't appear that HWA have the ability to develop an engine from scratch. They developed several engines for motorsport, but all were based on existing units. They also did the engine for the Apollo IE, but that was, again, based on the Enzo engine. HWA were also the guys who did the CLK GTR and are a partner and supplier to Mercedes-AMG, so taking a Mercedes engine and modifying it is pretty much in the middle of their ball park.

Yes, Pagani are saying in their own release that the engine is "designed from the ground up," but you need to take into account that's what all the companies that take an engine and modify it in some way say. After all, if you change some part on the engine, it's not the same engine as it was before, right? I would still bet anything it's heavily based on the Zonda R engine (or some other Mercedes V12 possibly) and it's using the same block at the very least. As I mentioned, for a run of only 30 cars it would make absolutely no sense to develop an engine from scratch (which costs an absolute fortune) instead of taking an existing engine and modifying it - especially since you've already engaged the one company that specializes in exactly that - modifying Mercedes engines for racing applications.

You might be wrong not sure if you are.
I have some contacts in pagani and it has been hinted that this engine will be the unit used in the successor of the huayra mated with a hybrid system possibly with solid state batteries ( this is still up in the air though).
So it might not only be made for 30 cars only.

However if it is and old block or not.. it’s f#cking kick ass.
The zonda ( non R ) had the ancient 7.3 unit and it was and is still to this day one of the sickest v12s made when mated to a zonda.

this thing is a wet dream for me. Pagani and HWA. Mind blown!

 

[TopspeedPT]

Oh, awesome! Not sure why I am hearing it on Taiwanese Top Gear, though... and why the specs mentioned in the video don't match the official specs .

The specs are correct in the video description.

Spoiler

這具名為Pagani V12-R的賽車用引擎委由HWA所開發，這家公司就是最早成立AMG的兩位創辦人之一在公司售予賓士之後另行成立的公司，主要承接AMG參加DTM與GT賽事營運及賽車開發工作。這具自然進氣6.0升V12引擎在8250rpm可輸出850匹最大馬力及76.0kgm/5500~8300rpm峰值扭力，最高工作轉速達9000rpm，搭配賽車用六速序列自手排，工作壽命為行駛10,000公里需進行大保養的同時，更因應Pagani對性能方面的需求，整具引擎的重量只有198公斤。排氣系統更特別為了展現V12的聲威，採用航太材質的Inconel 625/718 alloy(英高鎳合金)製作，另外並輔以陶瓷塗裝，如此搞剛就是要讓每一位車主坐進車內催動轉速時，可以享受鋪天蓋地的終極感官體驗，哦，對了，即便如此Huayra R依舊符合了FIA對賽車噪音及廢氣排放的標準。

The intern failed in the video editing

 

[SNB]

You might be wrong not sure if you are.
I have some contacts in pagani and it has been hinted that this engine will be the unit used in the successor of the huayra mated with a hybrid system possibly with solid state batteries ( this is still up in the air though).
So it might not only be made for 30 cars only.

However if it is and old block or not.. it’s f#cking kick ass.
The zonda ( non R ) had the ancient 7.3 unit and it was and is still to this day one of the sickest v12s made when mated to a zonda.

this thing is a wet dream for me. Pagani and HWA. Mind blown!

Pagani has already said that the Huayra Successor (called the C10 internally) will use the BC Roadster engine which was designed by AMG to be legal for the next few years and the C10 will get a sister car that’s all electric, so I doubt they’ll be using this N/A engine, unless they’re planning to have 3 models.. though I hope you’re right.

 

[Rolf]

Holy crap this car is insane, such a pity its not a road car shit then it would be ballistic compared for most other cars

 

[KiwiRob]

838-HP Pagani Huayra R Unveiled with One-Off 9000-RPM V-12

Also the engine apparently needs a top end replacement every 10000km. The weight of the engine is good, but overall a bit disappointing compared to the Cosworth V12s.

I could see Gordon Murray laughing his head off at this silliness.

 

[LaArtist]

I could see Gordon Murray laughing his head off at this silliness.

Not sure if true, on the pagani website it says service interval of 10000 km.
But it could be a replacement, race engine after all

 

[Sunny]

WTF, a render?

Anyway glad they are not using the ancient M158 - probably the worst sounding v12.