SCG Glickenhaus "LMP1" / SCG007

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Small update on SCG 007S from Glic's instagram.

Glickenhaus 007S
TT 1000HP V8
UK/SVA Road Legal

And more info from comments:

> Do you offer a high down force package?
Comes standard with a easy track day conversion / high downforce package.

> Pipo Moteurs engine?
No, as not suitable for the road version. KTEC.

> Will it be using the monocoque from the 004 or are you developing one from scratch for it?
It will be a 3 seater. It uses some 004 design but has 007 wheelbase many bespoke components.
To be totally clear so far only UK/SVA legal. We could explore other options if serious interest.

> Road car homologation to run in IMSA?
No, limited run of 24.

 

[Bridster]

As happy as I am that this is still on track, it being only UK legal under SVA really makes it quite niche.

It would also be nice if they finally finished the development of the 004 - that car has been delayed as much as the Valkyrie and the specs got diluted too.

Well, good luck to them.

 

[KiwiRob]

As happy as I am that this is still on track, it being only UK legal under SVA really makes it quite niche.

It would also be nice if they finally finished the development of the 004 - that car has been delayed as much as the Valkyrie and the specs got diluted too.

Well, good luck to them.

How is that any different to Lanzantes road conversions of track only cars? 24 vehicles isn’t a lot, pretty they will all find homes.

 

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I'd be shocked if they sold two cars... 24 is pure delusion.
Also, the 3 seater layout is such a weird and unnecessary twist to add to the LMH concept.

 

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Here's cool pictures featuring an Evo aero upgrade for the SCG 007C, that Glickenhaus would have used in WEC, had he not pulled the plug on the entire project. Apparently the car was lacking downforce on the low speed tracks as well as downforce stability across different setups.

It's from Racecar Engineering magazine.

I didn't even know they ran their front adjustable element on the front wing. I thought Peugeot was the only one.

Here's what Mauro Barbieri, Ferrari’s Endurance Race Car Performance Simulation and Regulation Manager (from the 499P team) thinks about this unorthodox configuration:

He points out that the rear wing is more useful than an adjustable front element, particularly when it comes to adjusting setup throughout a race: “For example, one thing that you want to take into consideration is during Le Mans is the transition from day to night, the temperature getting colder.

“With the track going toward understeer, you might want the [adjustable] front wing to raise a bit the front downforce level. But then, if it rains, you normally want to go rearwards with downforce, to give the driver a bit more confidence. But maybe that’s not what you want to do, because if you reduce the front wing to move the downforce rearwards, you might reduce the overall level of downforce.

“Normally the front wing is almost free in terms of drag. There are many aspects that you try to consider and probably you cannot tick all of the boxes, but we try to tick the ones that we believe were the most important.”

Is it a coincidence that the only two teams to use this front device struggled the most?

 

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First picture of the real 007S:

Reminder of what 007C looks like:

004S monocoque:

007C monocoque:

007S interior:

004CS interior:

004(?) rear subframe:

007S rear subframe:

007C rear end (engine is a fully stressed element):

I feel like this road going hypercar will have far more in common with 004S than the actual car that raced at Le Mans.

+bonus picture that makes you go "hmmmmmmm":

 

[Bridster]

First picture of the real 007S:

Reminder of what 007C looks like:

004S monocoque:

007C monocoque:

007S interior:

004CS interior:

004(?) rear subframe:

007S rear subframe:

007C rear end (engine is a fully stressed element):

I feel like this road going hypercar will have far more in common with 004S than the actual car that raced at Le Mans.

+bonus picture that makes you go "hmmmmmmm":

Well spotted.

"Similar but wider" - meaning completely different .

Yeah, this seems to be very much 004S, but with a different engine. Which makes complete sense for them. Developing a unique CF monocoque for 24 cars only would have been financial madness.

It's still up in the air what engine and what gearbox they are gonna use, though. The TT V8 Pipo engine will have to be made to pass emissions, which, if even feasible, is not gonna be cheap (especially if they are trying to get 1000hp out of a 3.5L engine - which would have the highest power density out of any engine in the world except for the AMG One). And which gearbox will fit this unique engine? Are they gonna stick with the race sequential? Or make the manual from the 004S work with some adapters?

Well, it's probably all academic. I doubt this car will ever see the light of day. They still haven't even delivered the 004S, and the demand for it seems to be minimal.

 

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"Similar but wider" - meaning completely different .

Sort of like Pirelli and Michelin tires are similar. Both are round and black

It's still up in the air what engine and what gearbox they are gonna use, though.

It's been confirmed it'll have Katech LT. I haven't seen any info on the gearbox tho.
Knowing that it's gonna be used on GT1 Sports Club and possibly other track day events, the transverse unit from 004C would make more sense, I guess.

BTW, it's interesting to go back few pages of this thread and see how some GCFers were blown away by this real WEC hypercar for the road. I wonder what they think now.
It's so easy to look like a hater by simply not jumping on the hypetrain and trusting blindly whatever claims are being presented by the manufacturer.

 

[Bridster]

It's been confirmed it'll have Katech LT

Oh...

So this is 004 tub, but - to really switch it up - instead of the LT from the C7 Corvette, they will be using an LT from some tuner. And they still want $2.3M for this, which is 5x more than the 004S? That's quite interesting.

Well, as a car fan, I am always in favor of more interesting cars reaching the public, so I hope it works out for them. Not that this car is that interesting anymore. And not that I think it will. The 004 was announced in 2017, planned for delivery in 2019. And that's an LT4 engine + CIMA T900 gearbox (both ancient and well understood). The CF monocoque is outsourced as well, so that just arrives to their shop. The rest of it is just manually welded steel pipes bought from home depot (from the looks of it) and the interior is kit car level. 10 year old engine, 20 year old manual gearbox, no hybrid, no trick active suspension, no rear steer, no complicated electronics. How more of an easy mode can you get? And still, even after 7 years they are yet to deliver a car. Doesn't give you much confidence, does it?

EDIT: And I love the comment you get under the main Wikipedia picture for the 004S :

2021 Scuderia Cameron Glickenhaus SCG 004S at the 2022 Greenwich Concours d'Elegance. Stupid car, stupid color, stupid interior. GM LT4 engine; the person displaying the car mentioned that they were going to make their own head covers to replace the ones that read "CORVETTE".

 

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Mega rich entrepreneurs having fun with cars is a very specific genre of car industry, that doesn't always work as you'd expect a normal business to operate. You never know whether they're about to roll out the customer cars, do endurance racing, or jump straight into some other wacky project, like whatever this is:

 

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Cima T1107 7-speed single clutch confirmed.

Computer, enhance!

Track "conversion" explained:

 

[Bridster]

Hmm, so it's using a modified LS/LT engine, coupled with a CIMA T1100 series gearbox. That puts it in the rarified category also occupied by the surprisingly real US joke car built by a scammer Hennessey Venom F5 and the non-legal US scam car built by a scammer SSC Tuatara - which both also happen to use the same engine and gearbox configuration.

On the bright side, since they are only targeting 1000hp, the engine will probably also have less than 1100Nm of torque - which is what the gearbox is rated for. That is in contrast to the Venom F5 and Tuatara which claim 1600Nm and 1800Nm on E85. This means that the gearbox on that car might actually last more than 5 minutes! A great advancement for the US hypercars!

 

[Revvd]

It doesn't paint a pretty picture when you put it like that.
Oh well, at least we still have marketing stunt vaporware Czinger.

 

[KiwiRob]

Hmm, so it's using a modified LS/LT engine, coupled with a CIMA T1100 series gearbox. That puts it in the rarified category also occupied by the surprisingly real US joke car built by a scammer Hennessey Venom F5 and the non-legal US scam car built by a scammer SSC Tuatara - which both also happen to use the same engine and gearbox configuration.

On the bright side, since they are only targeting 1000hp, the engine will probably also have less than 1100Nm of torque - which is what the gearbox is rated for. That is in contrast to the Venom F5 and Tuatara which claim 1600Nm and 1800Nm on E85. This means that the gearbox on that car might actually last more than 5 minutes! A great advancement for the US hypercars!

Is the Venom a US hypercar, it was developed in the UK by Delta Motorsports who also build it.

 

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First picture of the rear end:

007C for comparison:

other angles:

 

[Jonathan19]

Glickenhaus 007S. Road version of our Le Mans Hypercar that podiumed at Le Mans and Sebring.
Comes with Track Day Kit.
Adjustable, lower-able suspension which raises downforce.
Onboard air jacks. Race wheels and slicks.
Conversion is fast and after track day quickly reversible so you can drive home.
Docile in traffic. 1000 TTV8. Heading to Villa d'Este.
UK/IVA Road Legal.

 

[Jonathan19]

Our 007S, which will debut at Villa d'Este, is a Three seat Road Version of our 007 Le Mans Hypercar that podiumed at Sebring and Le Mans.
One thing that's different about 007S is philosophy.
Extreme track day versions offered by others are not able to be driven on the road. 007S is fine on the road. In traffic. On very hot days. With its lifter it can go over speed bumps. Its track day conversion kit is simple and quick to install. Raise car using its onboard air jacks. Mount track wheels and slicks which will last more than 36 miles, don't cost $8000 and don't require Michelin to be on hand because they are proprietary.
Adjust wing. Adjust suspension. You're good to go. You don't need the physical condition of a fighter pilot. You won't need to refuel after 32 miles. After a long track day reverse procedure and drive home. If you want to "race" it is GT1 eligible. Basically while a bit more than arrive at track and tape the headlights it's a much easier and less expensive track day. Details, Specifications, and pricing will be announced at Villa d'Este.

 

[Jonathan19]

Glickenhaus 007S. Road version of our 007 Le Mans Hypercar that Podiumed at Le Mans, Sebring and grabbed The Pole at Spa. Three seater, 1000 HP TT KTech V8. Being shaken down. Stripes will go on and she'll be ready for Villa d'Este. Limited run of 24.