Germany's car industry - yesterday's game?


Mr. M

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Germany's car industry
The big-car problem


Feb 22nd 2007 | FRANKFURT
From The Economist print edition


Germany produces some of the fastest and most luxurious cars in the world, but is that yesterday's game?

EARLIER this month Germany's carmakers were hit by new emission limits proposed by the European Commission. There were howls of protest, not least from Angela Merkel, the German chancellor. So the proposed ceiling was raised a little, to 130 grams of CO2 per kilometre to be met by 2012. This still left the makers of many of the world's most prestigious cars with the most work: in the European Union only six German-made models meet the target, but 34 of those made by competitors do. Moreover, of all the cars on sale in Germany which pump out more than 200g of CO2 per kilometre, most are German.

This is not a happy state of affairs for a country that likes to lead the way on the environment. Nor does it bode well for Germany's biggest industry, which employs one in seven of the country's manufacturing workforce. Germany's carmakers should benefit from spreading their escalating costs of research and development across a greater volume of vehicles. But attempts to drive into mass markets have failed, with BMW's disastrous takeover of Britain's Rover Group and DaimlerChrysler's marriage now facing divorce.

For the time being, life still looks rosy. Volkswagen this week announced a 52% increase in operating profits for 2006. Mercedes, the car division of DaimlerChrysler, has bounced back from a couple of bad years. Sales of Porsches and BMWs seem almost insensitive to the price of petrol. The German stockmarket barely flinched at the new CO2 standards.

Yet Germany's carmakers are less well-placed for the future than are other European producers, let alone the Japanese. German cars may well continue to dominate the performance parts of the luxury market—after all they are crammed with state-of-the-art technology. But buyers' tastes are changing and they have increasing qualms about the environment. This shift in the market is what has hit Chrysler's sales in America, because it is highly dependent on fuel-thirsty sport-utility vehicles (SUVs) and pick-up trucks.

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I am inclined to believe the proposed legislation is intended to function as a wake-up call for the industry. I don't think they'll go through with it though - the models that currently fulfill the requirement are the smallest-engined versions of the smallest cars in the line-ups, and that is unlikely to change drastically in only five years. There is no way such legislation would be accepted by European consumers.
 
I think we are going to see some big changes .....Mercedes and BMW, particularly, have been engaged in an HP war over the past decade -- maybe it is now coming to an end.
 
Porsche are probably not worried about this at all since they have throughout the year focused on decreasing the weight of their cars, improving grip and aerodynamics rather than just increasing the power of their engines.
 
The big luxury market is still very much the US ....but as the Chinese market increases, the obsession with power may shift. The US is where things really have to change ...the rest of the industrial world watches and wonders.
 
After reading the article, I don't see much of a sustainable future for petrol German cars... Maybe for the extremely wealthy, but not for most of the buyers. I think the majority of sales will be of diesel cars and hybrid cars. Just my predictions of course, what do you guys think?
 
After reading the article, I don't see much of a sustainable future for petrol German cars... Maybe for the extremely wealthy, but not for most of the buyers. I think the majority of sales will be of diesel cars and hybrid cars. Just my predictions of course, what do you guys think?

As i've already stated, i'll never buy a petrol from BMW anymore, only the magic from M division is an exception and maybe, but maybe 335i.

Diesel all the way!:t-drive:

:t-cheers:
 
I think you are absolutely correct James -- it's like Australia and New Zealand are looking at phasing out tungsten (GLS) light bulbs and only allowing energy-efficient fluorescent ones to be sold.

I think the EU are putting enormous pressure on the Germans to be more energy-efficient. Cars like the S class could become very rare in Europe.
 
I think you are absolutely correct James -- it's like Australia and New Zealand are looking at phasing out tungsten (GLS) light bulbs and only allowing energy-efficient fluorescent ones to be sold.

I think the EU are putting enormous pressure on the Germans to be more energy-efficient. Cars like the S class could become very rare in Europe.

Well the S-class's environmental credentials are outstanding in terms of production efficiency and recyclability. With a new generation of powertrains hyrbid, hydrogen or whatever it may be, we should still hopefully see these majestic vehicles around (I just watched 'The Devil Wears Prada' and the S looked oh so elegant :D ).
 
Well the S-class's environmental credentials are outstanding in terms of production efficiency and recyclability. With a new generation of powertrains hyrbid, hydrogen or whatever it may be, we should still hopefully see these majestic vehicles around (I just watched 'The Devil Wears Prada' and the S looked oh so elegant :D ).

Yes, I have full confidence that the German car manufacturers can pull it off... After all, aren't they the pioneers of new technology?
 
These new standards aren't a wakeup call...that's already come- I think they serve to remind the manufacturers that stricter standards aren't going to go away...
what will go away is manufacturers who are slow to change.

All the American car companies are perfect examples of corporations who
stuck with a solution that lined their pockets with profits in the 90's but now- take a look around....the back lots at american car dealerships are filled with vitually unsellable cars.
Here in the U.S. it sure looks like we are seeing an era coming to an ugly end.
 
Porsche are probably not worried about this at all since they have throughout the year focused on decreasing the weight of their cars, improving grip and aerodynamics rather than just increasing the power of their engines.


Porsche as a group are even worse in CO2 emissions than anyone else.

Unless we're talking about engines bellow 200 HP, everything else fails.
So will Porsche bring back 110 HP 911 vesions ?!

However, a do belive people buying Porsches and high end/performance models from Audi/BMW/MB don't really give a damn about CO2 emisssions (penalties).
While others driving 320d types of cars definately do.

Besides CO2 car emissions are responsable for only ~11% of C02 emissions in Europe, why not go first after 89%.


The germans will pull it of. They've been thru worse.
 
I think we are going to see some big changes .....Mercedes and BMW, particularly, have been engaged in an HP war over the past decade -- maybe it is now coming to an end.

I doubt it... they'll find a way. They always do!


What's with all this panic folks. We are talking about MB, BMW, Porsche & VAG... what's the problem?
 
The thing that will hurt the Germans the most is that they have a lot of SUV/CUVs in development / starting to come on line.

BMW has the X6, the F5/3 coming in 2009+. Mercedes has the M/GLK coming and already has the R class out. Audi will have the Q5 and will eventually enter the CUV market. All of these are going to be CO2 pigs which will be that much harder to cut emissions on.
 
The thing that will hurt the Germans the most is that they have a lot of SUV/CUVs in development / starting to come on line.

BMW has the X6, the F5/3 coming in 2009+. Mercedes has the M/GLK coming and already has the R class out. Audi will have the Q5 and will eventually enter the CUV market. All of these are going to be CO2 pigs which will be that much harder to cut emissions on.


Not necesarily, since unlike the USA only version they do and will come with cleaner diesels.
However they'll need to cut weight.
 
I think the EU are putting enormous pressure on the Germans to be more energy-efficient. Cars like the S class could become very rare in Europe.

They already are very rare in Europe. ;)

Most S-Classes sold in Europe are S320 CDI's and S350's. The S450, S500 and S600 and the AMG variants are a rare sight overhere.

This is an alarming article, especially since German cars are internationally known for power and performance among other ideals. The fact that the article mentioned that luxury buyer tastes are changing is very alarming for me. I pictured that to mean that they've developed a taste for hybrids - which seems to be all the rage in the US at the moment. Luckily, the Germans have an advantage in diesel technology and Americans have proven very open to the idea of driving diesel-powered luxury cars. But the question remains, how will the Japanese and emerging Chinese markets react to this? These markets are known to have a diesel stigma, especially the Japanese. DCX is planning on selling E320 CDI's in Japan, so I'll need to watch out and see how these cars are doing in this market.
 
The thing that will hurt the Germans the most is that they have a lot of SUV/CUVs in development / starting to come on line.

BMW has the X6, the F5/3 coming in 2009+. Mercedes has the M/GLK coming and already has the R class out. Audi will have the Q5 and will eventually enter the CUV market. All of these are going to be CO2 pigs which will be that much harder to cut emissions on.


Not really. The BMW X3 and upcoming Mercedes MLK / GLK are "light SUV's" and they won't consume as much fuel as their heavier stablemates: X5 and ML / GL / G.

Most of them, in Europe, will also be sold with smaller more efficient engines, especially diesels. The EU has been cracking down on diesel emissions as well so a particulate filter is standard on these luxury vehicles anyway. It helps a lot. :usa7uh:
 
Now you know why EfficientDynamics & CleanEnergy are priorities on BMW's technological agenda.

:usa7uh:
 

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