X5 M / X6 M First press reviews: BMW X6 M


The X5 M is the high-performance variant of the X5. In April 2009, the X6 M version was announced, with a 408 kW (547 hp) version of the BMW S63 4.4-litre twin-turbo V8 engine. The BMW X5 M and X6 M are the first vehicles from BMW M GmbH to have xDrive all-wheel-drive system and automatic transmissions, and are also crossovers as opposed to passenger cars.
Well, making very "non-M" car like M6 convertible didn't stop the bitching now, so I doubt that strategy is going to work.

Like I said, the M6 convertible was bound to happen and it was a spin-off. Therefore, it was to a big degree accepted. Just like the M3 convertible. I guess even a Touring version of the M3 would pass as easily. This, on the other hand, is something completely different. Partly because of the implementation (very few would have complained if they did a new Le Mans) and partly because it is very new and far from what we have grown acustomed to. If you do not agree, that is fine too :D
 
The unimaginable prophecy is true. 2-3 years ago we had heated discussions here in the traditional BMW vs MB vs Audi spirit. BMW fans used to pride themselves on the exclusivity of M. Back then M was very prestigious with only the finest cars baring the M name plate, this coupled with high rev NA engines and complete absence of a slush box. The X6 embodies everything that BMW used to pick on BMW for -- 2 ton SUVs, automatic transmission and forced induction engines.

I don't mind it and just hope that BMW will use the made made off this car, for developing a car that encapsulates the pinnacle of M.
 
This is too funny. Now the same folks who believed in and touted the M way of doing things are now telling you that the M philosophy was violated years ago with the M6 and M3 convertibles. Its like the M philosophy never existed or didn't mean a thing. Then the AMG way of doing things was ridiculed and thought to be primitive, yet when BMW's M does it (with a SUV no less) it doesn't matter because the proof is in the finished product.

Don't get me wrong, the X6 M is stunning...one of my favorite non-car vehicles right now, but I have rarely seen such an about face, such a hypocritical stance on something. Where is CM now?

Then CM had to nerve to say "same engine many vehicles", yet the X6 5.0i and the X6 5.0i M Sport and the X6 M all share and engine in different states of tune right? Talk about foot in mouth disease. I wonder that the CM BS will be when the next 5-Series and M5 share an engine like those E500s and E55 AMGs used too?


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This is too funny. Now the same folks who believed in and touted the M way of doing things are now telling you that the M philosophy was violated years ago with the M6 and M3 convertibles. Its like the M philosophy never existed or didn't mean a thing. Then the AMG way of doing things was ridiculed and thought to be primitive, yet when BMW's M does it (with a SUV no less) it doesn't matter because the proof is in the finished product.

Don't get me wrong, the X6 M is stunning...one of my favorite non-car vehicles right now, but I have rarely seen such an about face, such a hypocritical stance on something. Where is CM now?

Then CM had to nerve to say "same engine many vehicles", yet the X6 5.0i and the X6 5.0i M Sport and the X6 M all share and engine in different states of tune right? Talk about foot in mouth disease. I wonder that the CM BS will be when the next 5-Series and M5 share an engine like those E500s and E55 AMGs used too?


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Hmm, in case you are referring to me, I never touted any M philosophy. And yes the proof is in the pudding - M cars usually perform and handle better than the AMG counterparts which is why I prefer it, and I don't think that has changed with these SUVs either.

The only exception is the automatic gearbox, and I hate that about the X6/X5 M too. Turbo engines, AWD is all fine by me and are just tools to get the job done.
 
Hmm, in case you are referring to me, I never touted any M philosophy. And yes the proof is in the pudding - M cars usually perform and handle better than the AMG counterparts which is why I prefer it, and I don't think that has changed with these SUVs either.

The only exception is the automatic gearbox, and I hate that about the X6/X5 M too. Turbo engines, AWD is all fine by me and are just tools to get the job done.

Nope, but you had no problem cheering those who did and now the proof is in the pudding. Too bad the pudding is made with totally different (i.e. common) ingredients now.

I would hope the new X6 M outperforms a bunch of SUVs that have been on the market for years now so please don't make a few tenth of a second out to be some type of miracle of acceleration and handling around a track for a SUV is about as absurd a thing you'll come up with regarding these vehicles. I'd like to know when their perspective owners will care about this.


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Nope, but you had no problem cheering those who did and now the proof is in the pudding. Too bad the pudding is made with totally different (i.e. common) ingredients now.

I would hope the new X6 M outperforms a bunch of SUVs that have been on the market for years now so please don't make a few tenth of a second out to be some type of miracle of acceleration and handling around a track for a SUV is about as absurd a thing you'll come up with regarding these vehicles. I'd like to know when their perspective owners will care about this.


M

I have no idea who I cheered on, but sure if you say so. And too bad that AMG couldn't use "common" parts and and beat the competition. May be if they did, no one would have ridiculed that approach. And now M can. And no, if those inital numbers are true it is not just couple of old SUVs that are going to be beat, it is going to even give the latest and greatest E63 a run for it's money. Case in point, the .92g skidpad number is better than most if not all non BS AMGs.
 
I have no idea who I cheered on, but sure if you say so. And too bad that AMG couldn't use "common" parts and and beat the competition. May be if they did, no one would have ridiculed that approach. And now M can. And no, if those inital numbers are true it is not just couple of old SUVs that are going to be beat, it is going to even give the latest and greatest E63 a run for it's money. Case in point, the .92g skidpad number is better than most if not all non BS AMGs.


Yep, long as they've become nothing more than number generators it is worth it. There is nothing unique about the construction or engine of these new "M" vehicles so yeah they're good on the road at generating numbers, but the oh so vaulted M "experience" of a naturally aspirated engine, manual gearbox, relative lightweight and what not have been sold to chase a buck. All done to chase opponents that BMW's Motorsport division thought previously were unworthy. BMW's own press releases used to down forced induction and torque because drivetrain components had to be beefed up to handle the extra forces, but now they've had to do just the same. Hypocrites.

Tell me why a higher skidpad number is something to brag about in an SUV? For you to even have to mention that about a BMW M product, a SUV no less means you and BMW's M division have lost the original plot.

Who would have thunk it that the hallowed Motorsport division (and its fans) would stoop to the level of AMG and Porsche practices for their vehicles. I love it.

When a new Cayenne comes out next year with more power and better numbers you won't be able to talk about any "M experience" anymore because it has a turbo and slushbox like anything else. What will be the draw then?

I'm just waiting for the "one engine many cars" nonsense to be debunked when the next 5 and M5 show up with this same V8.


And don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of M BMWs always have been, its the bs rhetoric that I'm having a field day debunking now. CM and all that BS. What a crock.

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Like I said zillion of times before, I would never buy a M convertible either.
I rather have the Coupe version. So Im not exactly supporting these car types either. So I think I just answered yor question. But at least M6 Cabrio is more proper M than a car that looks like a brick.
Anyhow, Im still waiting for M3 CSL so we can get some order here.

PS Sunny I never thought you were supporting cars like these, I thought you were more driver orintented than this. :t-hands:

Another thing, Im annoyed that some people cant accept that a "BMW fanboy" like me cant say his opinion without being accused of being a crybaby. It used to be MB vs BMW fights but now we fight within. Sad so sad.

Fanboys aside, all reviews have two things in common, reviews say X6M is not much different from normal X6 to drive and engine sound is disappointing , you guys really think this is a good thing??

here is a "homemade" video of the X6 M on track....sorry about the quality

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edmunds/FirstDrives





Does your crossover have launch control? Does it, like the 2010 BMW X6 M, have 555 horsepower? Does it, during this "worldwide crisis," have the ability to "pick up your spirits," as one BMW official says?
Do you know why? Because according to BMW, the company's 2010 X6 M is the first and only sports-car SAV. "If there's no competitor, then you cannot follow anyone," said Dr. Kay Segler, president of BMW M GmbH. Wait...what?
BMW has always had a knack for describing its crossovers in a curiously Bill Clintonian fashion. The X5 is not an SUV but instead an SAV (Sport Activity Vehicle). And the X6 is, well, no one is quite sure what the X6 is. So it follows then, that the 550-hp hp Porsche Cayenne Turbo S and the Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG are not competitors for the X6 M.
OK, we acknowledge that the 2010 BMW X6 M is a wildly unusual thing. First, because it is an X6. And second, because it's an X6 that's also an M-car. This is a vehicle that if you believe what you read on the Internet, will dilute the M brand and bring shame on the house of BMW. It's worth noting that these were the same things said of the X5 when it was introduced.
The Car, er, Truck, uh, Thing
The 2010 BMW X6 M, along with the X5 M which also arrives for the 2010 model year, are the first M-brand crossovers, of course. But they're also the first M vehicles with all-wheel drive. And they're the first with an automatic transmission. This should give naysayers plenty of ammunition with which to attack the X6 M. But there probably isn't much use in arguing about it. It's already here, or soon will be, at least.
And oh how here it is. This is not a vehicle that goes unnoticed, a trait we suspect will be high on its buyers' lists of desires. Added to the standard X6 mix of suspicious eyes, cavernous air intakes, buns-up stance and coupelike roof line, are M-brand signifiers such as a fender vent and the four cannon barrels that act as exhaust tips. BMW also removes the last tiny vestige of truck-ish style in the X6 by painting the X6 M's fender lips and rocker panels in body color. And of course, the M edition gets its own specific set of 20-inch wheels, which despite their height, look curiously small mounted under the X6 M's big, curvy body.
 
This is too funny. Now the same folks who believed in and touted the M way of doing things are now telling you that the M philosophy was violated years ago with the M6 and M3 convertibles.
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I think you might refer to me (it is always easier to know when the names of those in the line of fire are presented). I have always believed that the convertible versions were something of a heresy. Even the E30 M3 convertible seemed dumb to me at the time. But as I have said before, those were always only spin-offs, not the base thing. And if an M3 convertible is an act against the Church of M, I'd say it would be some kind of blasphemous act, like saying "Oh my God that is stupid"... the SUV:s from M are, on that scale, more like burning down the church, nailing the clergy to the church door and proclaiming the cemetery the land of satan.

So, well, the convertibles get away rather easy. The trucks does not. Everything is not black and white in the Church of M, but they should be blue and white.
 
I think you might refer to me (it is always easier to know when the names of those in the line of fire are presented). I have always believed that the convertible versions were something of a heresy. Even the E30 M3 convertible seemed dumb to me at the time. But as I have said before, those were always only spin-offs, not the base thing. And if an M3 convertible is an act against the Church of M, I'd say it would be some kind of blasphemous act, like saying "Oh my God that is stupid"... the SUV:s from M are, on that scale, more like burning down the church, nailing the clergy to the church door and proclaiming the cemetery the land of satan.

So, well, the convertibles get away rather easy. The trucks does not. Everything is not black and white in the Church of M, but they should be blue and white.


Wasn't referring to you, but still a good post.


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I don't have much more to say in this debate but the X6M has failed - worst M car of all times?
I would say X6M is a 'failure of the year' candidate.

I really hope the next M5 gets a lot better than this weak attempt and lots more love and attention from BMW during it's development. :eusa_pray

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Given the high ground clearance, monstrous weight and automatic transmission, the X6-M would impossibly measure up to the more thoroughbred M-cars, the M5 and M3. Buyers won't really mind because no one sign up for a Cayenne Turbo, ML63 or X6-M because they want a sports car. All they seek is a powerful SUV with sporty characteristics.

Well said.

I for one wasn't expecting it to drive like M3 or M5 and i admit that these reviews/tests aren't that promising, but i'll still wait for a proper test and someone to take max. out of the car to be sure if it's a failure like Andreas says or not.

:t-cheers:
 
MotorTrend - First Drive: BMW X6 M

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It was pretty hard to get much of an early read on BMW's newest -- and most controversial -- M model, the 2010 BMW X6 M (the X5 M, which is being launched simultaneously, was unavailable for testing). Our initial short stint featured a bit of highway driving and a quick run on some slightly twisty roads, allowing us briefly to feel how smooth, yet powerful this 5300-plus-pound beast really is. You're in touch with the road, but there's no bounce or jounce in the X6 M, just smooth sailing -- even in the more aggressive M mode.

BMW had some real driving fun in store for us at our final destination -- several hot laps on the 2.54 mile, 12-turn Road Atlanta circuit. After a few lead-follow instructional passes, we were set loose in the X6 M on the famed racetrack. The massive elevation changes, fast sweepers, and blind, off-camber corners really show you what the X6 M is made of.

Exiting the pits, you stay right, wait for the first slight left-hander, then dive into a hard right that leads you into the esses. A fast, sweeping-downhill left leads into a fast, sweeping-downhill right, where you hit the apex and let the 547-horse, 501 pound-foot, twin-turbocharged, 4.4-liter V-8-powered truck drift out to the left edge. Then it's back up hill through the rest of the esses, which you can basically take straight.

Stay right to set up for the uphill blind left, then its back down to another fast right, and into the tightest corner, an almost 90-degree right that leads you onto the long back stretch. Here you'll nudge 140 mph (the X6 M is limited to 155 mph) before jumping on the binders in a downhill braking zone, then a quick left-right and head back to the pits.

We couldn't run full laps, but that ended up being a good thing. More on that later.

2010 BMW X6 M First Drive and Review - Motor Trend

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Edmunds - First Drive: BMW X6 M



Not Just Weird; Powerfully Weird

Does your crossover have launch control? Does it, like the 2010 BMW X6 M, have 555 horsepower? Does it, during this "worldwide crisis," have the ability to "pick up your spirits," as one BMW official says?

Do you know why? Because according to BMW, the company's 2010 X6 M is the first and only sports-car SAV. "If there's no competitor, then you cannot follow anyone," said Dr. Kay Segler, president of BMW M GmbH. Wait...what?

BMW has always had a knack for describing its crossovers in a curiously Bill Clintonian fashion. The X5 is not an SUV but instead an SAV (Sport Activity Vehicle). And the X6 is, well, no one is quite sure what the X6 is. So it follows then, that the 550-hp hp Porsche Cayenne Turbo S and the Mercedes-Benz ML63 AMG are not competitors for the X6 M.

OK, we acknowledge that the 2010 BMW X6 M is a wildly unusual thing. First, because it is an X6. And second, because it's an X6 that's also an M-car. This is a vehicle that if you believe what you read on the Internet, will dilute the M brand and bring shame on the house of BMW. It's worth noting that these were the same things said of the X5 when it was introduced.

The Car, er, Truck, uh, Thing
The 2010 BMW X6 M, along with the X5 M which also arrives for the 2010 model year, are the first M-brand crossovers, of course. But they're also the first M vehicles with all-wheel drive. And they're the first with an automatic transmission. This should give naysayers plenty of ammunition with which to attack the X6 M. But there probably isn't much use in arguing about it. It's already here, or soon will be, at least.

And oh how here it is. This is not a vehicle that goes unnoticed, a trait we suspect will be high on its buyers' lists of desires. Added to the standard X6 mix of suspicious eyes, cavernous air intakes, buns-up stance and coupelike roof line, are M-brand signifiers such as a fender vent and the four cannon barrels that act as exhaust tips. BMW also removes the last tiny vestige of truck-ish style in the X6 by painting the X6 M's fender lips and rocker panels in body color. And of course, the M edition gets its own specific set of 20-inch wheels, which despite their height, look curiously small mounted under the X6 M's big, curvy body.

Weight Is an Engine-Builder's Problem
Once we'd driven the 2010 BMW X6 M at the Road Atlanta racetrack and the surrounding public roads here in rural Georgia, there was another thing that couldn't go unnoticed: mass. We'd complained about the standard X6's little weight issue when the car (er, truck; no, we mean SAV) was introduced. Eternal optimists that we are, we'd hoped that even at 2.5 tons (5,324 pounds, says BMW), the X6 M version would be transformed in its new high-performance guise.

And it is, at least in as much as it's possible to make this much mass turn and go and stop. BMW has truly brought the big engineering guns to the fight. That starts with a twin-turbo V8 that produces 555 horsepower at 6,000 rpm. It is not likely a coincidence that this engine's peak hp rating is 5 hp higher than the Porsche Cayenne Turbo S that is apparently not an X6 M competitor. The BMW's 4.4-liter motor also churns out 500 pound-feet of twisty torque action from a low, low engine speed of 1,500 rpm all the way up to 5,650 rpm.

The M motor is very similar to the twin-turbo 4.4-liter V8 that powers the non-M X6 xDrive 50i as well as the new 2009 BMW 750i. Like that engine, the M-spec unit packages its turbos, exhaust manifolds and catalytic converter in the vee between the cylinder banks. And as we've seen before, the turbo plumbing requires that the intake and exhaust valves switch sides (exhaust on the inside of the cylinder head toward the vee, intake on the outside).

The Crossover's Crossover Manifold
For the M motor, BMW replaces the conventional turbos with highly responsive twin-scroll units that are fed air by a trick exhaust manifold that joins the two cylinder banks. There are four exhaust runners, each of which carries the spent gases of two cylinders. These pairs are always from opposite banks. Each of the turbos is fed by two paths, resulting in regular timing of exhaust gas pulses and near-constant pressure to the turbos. What does this achieve? Reduced turbo lag (it's all but nonexistent) and stellar throttle response.

This engine is spectacular. With 7.3 psi of boost and a compression ratio of 9.3:1, there's enough thrust to push this chunky monkey to 60 mph in less than 4.5 seconds. Predictably, the 2010 BMW X6 M will easily and quickly reach its 155-mph speed limiter. And the X6 M comes with a launch control system if you happen to be drag racing your $90,000 luxury ute. We note, however, that the sensation of speed is blunted a bit by the X6 M's relatively high seating position and weighty feel.

The six-speed transmission is a nice piece in day-to-day operation. Naturally it offers manual gear selection. And unlike the funny thumb-push/finger-pull units of the standard X6, the X6 M comes with nice big paddles behind the steering wheel; pull the left for downshifts and the right for upshifts. BMW says that this unit is the quickest-shifting automatic it has ever offered. Ultimately, though, it lacks the rifle-shot firmness and quickness of the best dual-clutch automated manual gearboxes. This automatic is, however, smooth in traffic in a way that no dual-clutch has yet achieved. Call it the softer side of M.

But Wait, There's More Weight
So, with a monster motor, BMW manages to overcome the X6's heftiness. To keep a handle on all that weight in handling maneuvers, BMW brings to bear its most powerful selection of acronyms.

You've got your EDC, ARS, DPC and probably some other systems that we can't really recall at the moment. The Electronic Damping Control (EDC) system is pretty conventional. There are two modes: Normal and Sport. Active Roll Stabilization (ARS) couples and decouples the antiroll bars for a smooth ride in straight-line driving and greater body roll resistance while cornering. Dynamic Performance Control (DPC), which was introduced on the standard X6, is a torque vectoring system that can accelerate either the outside or inside rear wheel to adjust the cornering attitude of the vehicle. If the vehicle is in an understeer situation, the outside rear wheel is accelerated to improve the balance. Conversely, if the vehicle is about to oversteer, the inside rear wheel can be accelerated to give it more stability. If you think of DPC as a stability control system that uses power instead of brakes to maintain balance, you're not far from the truth. But DPC also works to help you launch this big boy out of corners with uncanny resolve.

The double-wishbone front and multilink rear suspensions also get stiffer bushings all around than the standard X6, and the body is a half-inch lower, too. The result is impressive. The steady-state ride quality is impressive, even on the standard, run-flat 20-inch Bridgestone tires. And dang if this vehicle won't stick. The DPC is a thing of beauty, forestalling the need for stability control intervention and providing a tangible consumer benefit.

However, drive the 2010 BMW X6 M hard and you can't escape the feeling that there are various systems constantly at work trying to manage the vehicle's weight and the driver's shortcomings. This is not an altogether pleasant thing, if you judge a performance vehicle's worth by how connected it makes you feel to the road. There are layers of separation here. Let's call its handling performance more impressive than entertaining.

STOP!!!
Something this big and fast requires hefty binders, and BMW has fitted some big iron plates to the X6 M. The fronts measure 15.6 inches and the rears are 15.2 inches across. These are grabbed by four-piston fixed calipers in front and single-piston floating calipers in the rear.

We were initially disappointed to find that after some hard driving the brake pedal went soft, until we realized that it happened after six laps around Road Atlanta, which included braking from 130 mph, downhill, for a 90-degree corner.

When we get an X6 M out to the test track to run numbers on it we'll let you know if we experience any fade. But we suspect they'll hold up fine in all but the most extreme conditions.

X6 Hmmmm...
With the 2010 BMW X6 M, the Munich company has achieved something quite remarkable. It's turned a tall, heavy fashion statement into a truly fast and capable thing. In so doing it's surpassed that non-competitor, the Porsche Cayenne Turbo S. The BMW is almost certainly quicker and, even with its peculiarities, it's a better-handling thing. Oh, and, at $89,725, it's a whole lot less expensive than the Porsche, too.

We suspect the car will do quite well in China, the U.S. and certain oil-rich bits of the Middle East. As a flagship for BMW's lineup of crossovers, the X6 M even makes some kind of weird sense. But as a standard-bearer for the M lineup? Well, let's just say that as long as BMW keeps building M3s, then the X6 M is fine by us.

2010 BMW X6 M First Drive on Inside Line
 
Article: Edminds First Drive X6M :t-roses:

DITTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:t-cheers::usa7uh::t-cheers::usa7uh::t-cheers::usa7uh:

Does your SUV have what the X6M has? :D
 
Damn, this time the difference in price between the markets is really stunning! The X6M is only $ 89,725 over there! That like just over € 60,000...

...if it is the US that wants the car, why can't it be them that pays for it? :D
 
I guess the understanding of M brand is a bit off.

M is not some individual brand per se. It's a trademark that represents TOP PRODUCT OF A CERTAIN BMW SERIES.

Therefore comparing M cars among themselves (eg. M3 vs X6M, X5M vs M5, M6 vs Z4M etc) is a bit off & bizarre.

A certain M car can only be compared to its civil / regular siblings, and to its rivals in the SAME SEGMENT.

M is not a racing sports car brand (ala Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini) - it's "just" an in-house tuning company. Upgrading the regular products.

So, not "M" but "BMW M".

:t-cheers:


Btw, there are very loud suggestions being expressed in Munich to offer M3 GT4 also in a very limited-edition street-legal version. ;) Beside limited-edition racing version (for the racing teams).
 

BMW M

BMW M GmbH, formerly known as BMW Motorsport GmbH, is a subsidiary of BMW AG that manufactures high-performance luxury cars. BMW M ("M" for "motorsport") was initially created to facilitate BMW's racing program, which was very successful in the 1960s and 1970s. As time passed, BMW M began to supplement BMW's vehicle portfolio with specially modified higher trim models, for which they are now most known by the general public. These M-badged cars traditionally include modified engines, transmissions, suspensions, interior trims, aerodynamics, and exterior modifications to set them apart from their counterparts. All M models are tested and tuned at BMW's private facility at the Nürburgring racing circuit in Germany.
Official website: BMW M

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