Golf First drive Golf GTI mk7

[Deckhook]

Affordable? LOL Golf GTI is more overpriced than a Porsche. Giulietta is affordable. I'm not spending any money on a Golf GTI. I'd spend it on a Kia Pro Cee'd GT instead.

There are some cars in each segment which define it, the M3 is one, the 911 another and the GTI is included in this, sorry but I'm with the others here, if you'd pick a Kia over the GTI then you most definitely don't get it.

Yeah there are rivals offering what appears to be better bang for your buck but as an overall package the reality is that none of them even come close to matching the daddy.

 

[Zafiro]

Haha Gti what? Next seat Leon Cupra is getting 261bhp and Cupra R with 300 hp. Cupra going to cost less than gti. Talk about great value.

 

[Deckhook]

^But its still not a Golf GTi and that makes it second best in my eyes.

 

[martinbo]

Don't mistake the two: value does not mean cheap, nor does cheap mean value.

A SEAT Leon will never be a GTI, no matter the shared MQB DNA. It's a SEAT for a reason.

 

[Deckhook]

^To true Martin, its the one occasion where even Audi playing second fiddle to Volkswagen never mind Seat.

 

[Levi68]

3 Series is the best till now, new IS is very close but it isn't that. S Class is best till now, its no Bentley or Rolls Royce by status, but its is still the reference, though the 7 Series and A8 are coming closer. 911 is still king, there were and will yet be many that will try to beat it, but till now it hasn't happend. But Golf? Golf is in no rational way better than A3 or Leon. It is just a popular name. Every person that knows nothing about cars buys a Golf, because the mobb talks Golf. Those who can't afford or have different taste buy Opel or other crap French cars, Italians have nothing to offer, owning an Alfa means belonging to a, in their mind, closed community, so they don't want that. Others that want to go from A to B in a new car that has everything you need but doesn't cost more than its true value buy Korean.

 

[Levi68]

"Golf" is the most branded name, a pure result of marketing, especially in the last years, since Golf V. Golf is for the brainwashed. It has nothing that deserves any rank or status, other than its sales number and popularity. It is the most overrated car ever built.




Waiting for next "Disagree" rating.

 

[Kilcrohane]

"Golf" is the most branded name, a pure result of marketing, especially in the last years, since Golf V. Golf is for the brainwashed. It has nothing that deserves any rank or status, other than its sales number and popularity. It is the most overrated car ever built.

Tosh.

Perversity for the sake of it is not smart.

The Golf is the most engineered car ever built. Yes the 911 is a candidate, but to do a £25k car like the GTI takes even more engineering skill than an £80k 911.

The humble Golf is a marvel, with almost S-Class rivalling quality, a platform that thus far no one has got within 100 kilos of getting near(its VW group siblings excepted), and the GTI Performance version offers an electronically controlled LSD, seen only on the likes of a £60k M3 or SLS AMG Black Series.

The criticism it has received form the likes of EVO and Top Gear has like your comment bordered on the perverse, with the authors essentially saying "the car is too good!", with its refusal to let the rear slide, i.e., it's been engineered to remain stable.

The Golf is simply a phenomenon, and a summary of why VW, especially now with its ability to tap into Porsche's amazing engineering resources, is the world's leading automotive concern.

 

[martinbo]

I think you're on the wrong forum dude. Try www.koreancarforum.com

 

[Deckhook]

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There's not to many models of car that can carry off an advert such as this and the funny thing is everyone can relate to it.

 

[Levi68]

I'd like some facts that show a Golf is what it pretends to be.

 

[Human]

3 Series is the best till now, new IS is very close but it isn't that. S Class is best till now, its no Bentley or Rolls Royce by status, but its is still the reference, though the 7 Series and A8 are coming closer. 911 is still king, there were and will yet be many that will try to beat it, but till now it hasn't happend. But Golf? Golf is in no rational way better than A3 or Leon. It is just a popular name. Every person that knows nothing about cars buys a Golf, because the mobb talks Golf. Those who can't afford or have different taste buy Opel or other crap French cars, Italians have nothing to offer, owning an Alfa means belonging to a, in their mind, closed community, so they don't want that. Others that want to go from A to B in a new car that has everything you need but doesn't cost more than its true value buy Korean.

Up to just a few years ago the value proposition in Hyundai/KIA was there and openly visible, for the cheapness was obvious.
A good friend of mine is the Dealer Principal for the KIA dealer in town. 2nd largest KIA dealer in my province with a brand new - really posh glass-house showroom and a double storage one at that. So I get to sit-in and test drive all their latest offerings. The BMW dealer in town's owner is also the owner of the Hyundai dealership in town. Same goes for my exposure to the mother of the two brands

Getting to the point. EU safety and emission standards and the not to even mention competition from it's main rivals, Hyundai/KIA upped their game drastically in the past 2-3 years. Their product portfolio is broader than ever and their quality standards has improved by leaps and bounds. Being a running concern of which it's concern is the usual business fair namely - bottom line profit (PBT) their products are all but "buy one get one free". Their latest offerings (in the RSA) is not cheap. They are in-line with the competition but as a mere competitor or alternative at that. The new Toyota Auris and RAV4, being the Japanese conglomerates answer to the Korean onslaught is on-par with KIA offerings in terms of price and VAG rules the roost with their much broader and more quality (premium) orientated offerings - the Golf MK7 being THE king of cars in that respect. Glad-fully so! I hate the copy+paste / "I wanna be like Mike" Korean offerings and would rater spend that 3% more on a German product or a Japanese one. With whatever Hyundai/KIA did better the past years, was not enough, VAG did better in every segment and offering in it's technology - from the UP! up-to the MK7 golf in the entry level segment. Drive trains, gearboxes, engine-lineup and quality - they (Winterkorn sitting in a Korean product @ motorshow) will not loose the race they have always won. Hell I almost forgot FORD, they are also better that the Koreans.
Thank God for that!

 

[Giannis]

I'd like some facts that show a Golf is what it pretends to be.

Facts? Go drive one. And then, go drive it's competition, while thinking how much each car costs. Feel the materials, how everything's bolted together. Then ask around to find a 5 years old Golf, a ten years old one. Even a 25 years old one. You will be surprised how much of a car still a 10 years old Golf is. It's actually shocking!

Personally, it's not my cup of tea. The Golf is the ultimate jack of all trades, but I don't really like this philosophy. But we gotta give credit where it's due!

 

[DeDe]

Tomorrow in AutoZeitung: Golf GTi Performance DSG vs. Mercedes A250 Sport

Golf GTi 0-100 kph in 6,0 sec.

 

[Deckhook]

6.0s 0-100km/h time should mean 5.7-5.8s 0-60mph time, that places it only 0.1s behind the Megane RS and ahead of either the Astra OPC or Focus ST. Is it another conservative rated VAG product?

 

[Human]

Tomorrow in AutoZeitung: Golf GTi Performance DSG vs. Mercedes A250 Sport

Golf GTi 0-100 kph in 6,0 sec.

Zetsche's sleeples night. Blood shot eyes for him tommorow morning and a grumpy boss in the Daimler boardroom. VAG vs DAIMLER

 

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[DeDe]

Tomorrow in Auto Motor und Sport: Golf GTi Performance vs. rivals!

Measured 0-100 km/h times:
6,2 s - Volkswagen Golf GTi Performance
6,6 s - Ford Focus ST
6,6 s - Mercedes-Benz A250 Sport
6,7 s - BMW 125i M-Pack

 

[Zafiro]

Autocar also have GTI vs Fiesta ST comaprison. Scans any1?

 

[DeDe]

Autocar also have GTI vs Fiesta ST comaprison. Scans any1?

Fiesta?