DTM DTM and Touring Racing Discussion Thread

[Matski]

Is just a re-branding or what?

Yes, just a re-branding I believe.

maybe it's completely blocked in the States, which is bull$#!+

Geo-blocked in the UK too... because we get some crappy highlights show

Still... this generally solves all my problems...

DTM Race 2 about to start.

DTM race 1 was a snoozer to be honest. 16 cars isn't enough to fill a long wide F1 circuit like Spa, it's great to see the cars back on track and I love the look of the M4 DTM, but there was little to no action.

DTM Trophy looks alright, again, small grid on a big track doesn't help, but the guys were really pushing and the cars move around quite a lot.




BTCC race 1 delivers what BTCC does... I think this season is going to be very close again!

 

[M.N.D]

Hey @Matski how's everything mate?

DTM race 1 was a snoozer to be honest. 16 cars isn't enough to fill a long wide F1 circuit like Spa, it's great to see the cars back on track and I love the look of the M4 DTM, but there was little to no action.

I've installed a VPN service, and DTM is working fine which is good I'll watch the replays later on.

However...

BTCC race 1 delivers what BTCC does... I think this season is going to be very close again!

The most important series for me to follow IS NOT AVAILABLE EVEN WITH THE UK IP ITV isn't showing me any video link. I'm going in loops with nothing to see. btcc.net takes me to ITV and then all I get is a picture of Donnington Park

BTCC 2020: Donington Park

Any suggestions? I'm not looking forward to DTM that much anymore as the priority is to follow BTCC

EDIT:
I managed to register and for now, I was able to find the qualifying video after searching the motorsport section of the ITV's website, which is the only video available at the moment.

 

[Matski]

@M.N.D

When live you need to got to itv.com > watch live > itv4 and it should be right there. I'm not sure how long it takes when the races finish before they upload them for people to be able to stream on demand, but that link supplied doesn't offer me anything either.

DTM race 2 was about as boring as the F1, BTCC races were good. I thought this season might end up as Turk vs Cammish, but it seems there may be another challenger!

 

[M.N.D]

When live you need to got to itv.com > watch live > itv4 and it should be right there. I'm not sure how long it takes when the races finish before they upload them for people to be able to stream on demand, but that link supplied doesn't offer me anything either.

That's good to know. I've been able to watch the qualifying replay, so I'll try to wait till the end of the as I hope the replays will be uploaded.

DTM race 2 was about as boring as the F1

I've seen the results on Facebook by accident, and I'm getting the feeling that it'll be another $#!+ show for BMW this year, although it's too early to say, but knowing DTM, it's a high possibility.

I don't watch F1 but I understand what's going on from the thread. It's a matter of taste, but personally...

MEH

Anyway...

While waiting for Donnington replays, I'll watch some GT racing (British GT, NLS, ADAC GT, SRO Blancpain,...) and I'll be back here once I'm done.

BTCC races were good. I thought this season might end up as Turk vs Cammish, but it seems there may be another challenger!

Man I can hardly wait for the upload

 

[Matski]

British GT

I've watched a bit of British GT. Keeping an eye on Michael O'Brien in the 720S GT3 since I occasionally do business with his dad.

I don't watch F1 but I understand what's going on from the thread. It's a matter of taste, but personally...

MEH

Since it slotted between BTCC R2 and R3 I nipped to the pub and watched it there. I wouldn't normally, but since it's only about 18 miles up the road from the pub it's very much a 'home' race.

 

[Matski]

@M.N.D

The ITV website is pretty bad... but the day's action is up...

itv.com/hub/british-touring-car-championship/1a5204a0155

I look forward to hearing your thoughts..

 

[M.N.D]

@M.N.D

The ITV website is pretty bad....

Awesome mate I'll be back here as soon as I'm done with the rounds

I've watched a bit of British GT. Keeping an eye on Michael O'Brien in the 720S GT3 since I occasionally do business with his dad.

Interesting! I guess I'll skip DTM till sometime during the upcoming week since I know the results already, and British GT will be on my list next. I like the mixed tiers of GT3 and GT4.

Since it slotted between BTCC R2 and R3 I nipped to the pub and watched it there. I wouldn't normally, but since it's only about 18 miles up the road from the pub it's very much a 'home' race.

Fascinating to have Silverstone within 30 minutes from where you live. I'm about 30 minutes from the HQ of Ford and GM (FCA is further up north).

F1 has its own presence that no series will match, whether I like that or not. It has the largest crowd and the highest following rate.

I like F1 a lot but maybe from a different perspective. I've said this so many time I hate myself to repeat it time and time again, but, many people are watching it and raving for it because it suits their own preferences at the moment (that is Mercedes is winning spectacularly and the rest cannot even compete so they became a farce).

I don't mind such approach, as to each his own. Just not my cuppa.

I drink about 3 mugs a day

 

[M.N.D]

Okay, so here goes my mumbling about what I was watching...

The first thing is that I AM WATCHING THIS ON ITV I watched the replay of the last year's final race. Since then, for no reason, I was giggling and grinning like an idiot to the point that I started to laugh at myself It was a loop! the break command was the start of the race

I'm still trying to manage my time more efficiently, so I skipped some of the analysis by Rider, Harvey and Addison. Oh well...

Race 1:

Excellent start for Turkington, Sutton, Butcher, and surprisingly, Oliphant. Very close racing along with Cammish on the first few laps. Colin's car was kinda twitchy without enough grip, while Sutton who was having an amazing pace as was Cammish.

The highlight of the race for me was of course the almost 5 abreast at lap 4 which took Sutton out and shuffled the order. I liked Sutton's attack from the outside on Turk, but then he went off track after he was hit by the BMW. As a fan of Turkington and BMW, I might sound biased, but it was a domino effect racing incident as there was Ingram on the back whom I think pushed Colin so he pushed Sutton (I wrote this before watching race 2, and it was confirmed by Sutton as well). I felt bad for him at the same time. The new Audi drivers were fun and gave a good challenge to each other and the rest. Oliphant needs to do better. His defense is weak.

Congrats to Cammish for winning, and to Turk for staying so close and giving a good challenge despite some excellent peek-a-boos from Butcher.

Race 2:

Wow! It's starting to heat up with the success ballast. Colin is much more comfortable and confident as the pace of the 330i was now ON. Obviously Cammish wasn't going to hang on to the first place for too long, so what I liked is how long he was able to remain in his position before being overtaken as it changed the pace. Colin was flying despite having 54 kg onboard.

The highlight for me this time was Sutton's advancing through the positions until reaching the top 10. Him pushing Jelly who was doing an amazing battle with Chilton made me thinking that maybe it was a bit too much and shouldn't be done, and maybe he kinda did it to himself in race 1, but then he fantastically slipped through the group and moved over to the 7th place. Then another safety car... but it's fine, as it made things more exciting and on the edge. Finally, Oliphant did something good which was overtaking! C'mon man! you have the same car as the leading one but 24 kg lighter! Sutton was amazing, and I like Ingram as well.

Well done Colin! Let's keep going strong Also another excellent driving from Sutton and Butcher!

Race 3:

I liked Jelly's start, but he was pushed onto the grass and I'm not sure if Smiley pushed him. Good start for Jackson. The first highlight is Sutton going through the mid pack and Jelly battling the Halfords Hondas, and sadly, Jelly was doing good but then he went out which I think was no one's fault. Good rally style save by Ingram (it's a Toyota ). But the real meat was for the Jackson-Smiley-Cook-Morgan and later Sutton battle. Man that was fun to watch with 3 wide cars at the same time I quite like Hyundai, and that was since I ever knew about them roughly 25 years ago, so to see the new Exler8 team doing well on its debut speaks a lot for them and for the series. Sutton is a bit aggressive and sometimes his decisions don't have the best outcome, but he was the most fun to watch in this round. Turkington didn't get camera time much, but it was obvious he acted as a wingman for Oliphant to help him with some points!

Congrats to Sutton for a well deserved win even with a 36 kg ballast (I think the Infiniti will get a boost decrease for performance balance, but I'm not sure about all the technical details).

Overall, very fun to watch event and a great start to the season, which is to be expected

Random impressions:

I like how loose the NextGen cars are. It's fun to see them getting their tails out instead of having ginormous wings, splitters and diffusors for a flat cornering.

I'm starting to hate this pattern of my own, but I can't get over how fun this thing is. This is the only place where I also cheer for the rivals of the team that I support and root for the most!

I feel bad for Nicolas. I highly admire his determination and perseverance, but it's still not paying off for the moment. I also kinda miss Plato, as I knew him from watching 5th Gear for a long time, and for not having Vauxhall on the grid I have a very soft spot for Opel.

Couldn't get time to watch the supporting series, but the Mini challenge looks fun and kinda hilarious with these drivers taking out the signs

 

[Matski]

I'm still trying to manage my time more efficiently, so I skipped some of the analysis by Rider, Harvey and Addison. Oh well...

Tim Harvey's is probably the only one worth listening to, to be honest.

As for the races...

Agreed on all counts. I'm glad Sutton acknowledged the punt from Turk was not really an incident that required any blame, as you say, he'd just had a shunt from Ingram.

On the subject of Sutton, I don't like him one bit! Season finale 2017 he clinched the title... IIRC Race 2 didn't go to plan and he pretty much accused TOCA of engineering the race result against him on TV post race, Race 3 he won the championship and he couldn't be thankful enough. I like fiery drivers, but not when it's just a reflection of their butt-hurt, some drivers just talk ****. That being said he drove the balls off the car and without that spin in the first race I think he'd be leading the championship right now.

Cammish is a quality driver, my sense is that Mat Neal is going to see out this season playing rear-gunner for him, and I fear that TDH will be playing the team campaign better than WSR will...

Jelley.... I don't know. I like the bloke, I want him to do well, I think he knows that the ex-title winning 1-series should be a real contender in the independents trophy, but he's got to keep it together a bit more. Yes, Smiley did compromise his first lap by pushing him on the grass at the start, but he just looked really untidy in places. Twice he cut the final chicane to avoid contact even though plenty of other drivers managed it cleanly. The gold 1-Series at the back of the grid will be yet another Team HARD 'also ran' though.

Sad to see Hamilton off in the gravel, I assumed that was because of the oil from the Hyundai's blown turbo, but I didn't see any replays so not sure.

Hyundai's themselves looked good.

As for Turkington himself, I'm slightly disappointed his race 3 pace was so lackluster. I think Turk vs Cammish could be a really close battle, but if Sutton in the Infiniti gets to keep that pace, they'll be fighting over second place, not the championship!

Anyway... really great to see BTCC back.

Not a bad weekend really... BTCC, DTM, some British GT, NASCAR from the magic mile, Boremula Yawn from down the road, along with a bit of GT4 in the DTM trophy and last weeks GT4ES from Imola... that's how a Sunday should be! There's some Super GT up on YT now and there was another VLN at the weekend, so I might check those out later. Formula E hit's a sextuple-header in Berlin for this years title, starting in the next couple of days... I might check that out too... but mostly just looking forward to see the Touring cars pile around Brands GP next week!

 

[Matski]

Sutton not looking as quick this weekend so far. No looked at any official numbers yet but I know he's further back in qualifying for Brands. I wonder if he's had a boost adjustment.

 

[M.N.D]

Sutton not looking as quick this weekend so far. No looked at any official numbers yet but I know he's further back in qualifying for Brands. I wonder if he's had a boost adjustment.

Thanks for the update, man I didn't see the qualy replay, but I'll be keeping an eye on the race replay when it'll be uploaded.

I don't think cars will carry the success ballast weight on the first race, or do they, based on their last results? If they don't, it's could be as we predicted about the boost adjustment.

Tim Harvey's is probably the only one worth listening to, to be honest.

I like his commentary along with David Addison as well. Although I like Omega more, his Rolex Daytona looks good on him and good for him!

On the subject of Sutton, I don't like him one bit! Season finale 2017 he clinched the title... IIRC Race 2 didn't go to plan and he pretty much accused TOCA of engineering the race result against him on TV post race, Race 3 he won the championship and he couldn't be thankful enough. I like fiery drivers, but not when it's just a reflection of their butt-hurt, some drivers just talk ****. That being said he drove the balls off the car and without that spin in the first race I think he'd be leading the championship right now.

That's interesting and I wasn't aware of it. I remember Pascal Wehrlein being so whiny in DTM even though he got the title, and I didn't like him at all (perhaps being in a Mercedes added to that )
I'd like to see rival drivers giving a good challenge, but in a good sportsmanship way, and accepting a good defeat in case they lost fair and square and not due to dirty games (pushing from behind, huh?I'm looking at you, particular Honda driver), not complaining that why me or they don't want me to win.

Jelley.... I don't know. I like the bloke, I want him to do well, I think he knows that the ex-title winning 1-series should be a real contender in the independents trophy, but he's got to keep it together a bit more.

I agree, Jelly needs to be a bit better at avoiding traffic and maintaining a good racing line. He has a good potential and the car has a good pace at times, but some polishing is needed. The other 125i is fairly new to me and it wasn't being seen much.

As for Turkington himself, I'm slightly disappointed his race 3 pace was so lackluster. I think Turk vs Cammish could be a really close battle, but if Sutton in the Infiniti gets to keep that pace, they'll be fighting over second place, not the championship!

Yeah, I could say he was able to at least advanced a couple of places if he wasn't covering for Oliphant! It looks like he didn't want to jeopardize his race, so he played it safe, becuase it doesn't make much sense that just 6 kilos would throw him from pole all the way back to 10th place.

You're way more experienced in BTCC than I do, so I'm thinking it's a bit too early for me to predict if Sutton will be virtually unchallenged, especially at a series that's as unpredictable as BTCC. Yes, the pace of the Infiniti is very strong, but so is the BMW and the Honda.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the race today. Brands hatch is among the best (it's funny how the exact circuit isn't the best when it comes to DTM or GT3, shows how high downforce and wide cars affects racing)

I'll be waiting for your remarks as well

 

[Matski]

Spoilers...




Big shame for Butcher in Race 1, that was a win in the bag right up until the puncture. Neal not finishing allowed WSR some breathing room with Oliphant not capitalising on his start. In fact Oliphant seemed like he was trying to get himself spun at times today (except R3). Cammish had the legs on Turkington, the champ not looking that racy IMHO in Race 1. Race 2 looked like bad luck for Cammish and Honda in General, with even more in Race 3. After last years finale I think Cammish must really be starting to hate Brands.

I have to say, for all my whinging about Olpihant, Race 3 was a text book case of keeping cool despite Sutton absolutely massacring the back end of his car. Sutton was taking so much more kerb everywhere, moving around a lot, right on his tail in places... Tom just stuck to his line and just kept Sutton at bay without being overly reactive. Props to Sutton too, so many opportunities there to tap the BMW wide, and he didn't, as I said before, I'm not a big fan of Sutton but Race 3 was a commendable performance by him, even if it only yielded 2nd place. Happy to see Jelley on the podium too, I just don't see him getting as much from that car as others might.

I'm pleased about Turk's results so far, but I'd like to see Ingram and Cammish in the mix a bit more. We'll see if the performance of the Motorbase cars carries over to Oulton. They're a good team, but haven't delivered on their promise for a few years.

 

[M.N.D]

At last, I watched the whole event of BTCC at Brands Hatch...

I have to say that first of all, I appreciate ITV putting the series online to watch for free, but the commercials were a bit too much time consuming. Each race took about 1 hour to complete, and despite the fact that I had to subscribe to another service to pass the geo blocking thingy, I had to refresh the page every couple of minutes, but it wasn't that occasional, so I'll said it's okay this time around.

Rant off.

On to the race...

I'm not going to say much because I forgot some of the details, but overall, a very solid second round. Race 1 was fun, but Race 2 was more entertaining, characterized by the fall of Honda...

Race 3 was a heck of a ride! So nerve racking! That's how I like motorsport and car racing!!

Big shame for Butcher in Race 1, that was a win in the bag right up until the puncture

Completely agreed. Excellent driving but the tyres betrayed him twice.

Cammish had the legs on Turkington, the champ not looking that racy IMHO in Race 1. Race 2 looked like bad luck for Cammish and Honda in General, with even more in Race 3. After last years finale I think Cammish must really be starting to hate Brands.

I felt bad for Cammish. His bad start in race 2 was kinda unexpected, but he started to gain back until the sudden shut down of the Civic, and he was out of the picture in race 3. I agree, however, that Brands left a sorrow taste for him. I agree that he was the faster of the front bunch even though he had the highest ballast

As for the champ, I felt he was a bit careful as if he was trying to be consistent and to maintain the tyres, and in race 1 he had the highest ballast, but in race 2 he had an excellent start and kept his position well defended despite (again) having the highest ballast after Cammish dropped out. His battle with Ingram and Cammish was fantastic and close until the last couple of laps.

Well, about Oliphant.

Until race 3, I was thinking that he was supposed to be the one to leave and not Andrew Jordan. His second race was so frustrating. Can't keep his line, and giving 2 positions at a time. I mean, he stayed in the same position in race 2 thanks to the multiple incidents that took the Honda crew.

Race 3 was so surprising, and thanks to Jelly who kinda disrupted Moffat and the latter's mistakes, Oliphant was able to shoot to the front. Then he kept his position well until Sutton came into view, and then I was on the edge until the end. Even Harvey was cheering for him to do something right! I've noticed the expertise of Harvey when he said that Oliphant shouldn't defend, but to keep driving the same line as Sutton was all over him, but his tricks didn't work, not even going off road. I thought it was a matter of when, not if, about Sutton overtaking him, but Oliphant did his homework very well.

Let's hope he'll become better from now on.

EDIT: It's still a tall wall of text!

 

[Matski]

I have to say that first of all, I appreciate ITV putting the series online to watch for free, but the commercials were a bit too much time consuming. Each race took about 1 hour to complete, and despite the fact that I had to subscribe to another service to pass the geo blocking thingy, I had to refresh the page every couple of minutes, but it wasn't that occasional, so I'll said it's okay this time around.

If you're not fussed about watching them on the Sunday, let me know

I've noticed the expertise of Harvey

BTCC Champion... what more do you need to know...

Let's hope he'll become better from now on.

Yeah, I'm sure it'll enable him to up his game now he's got the duck off his back.

 

[M.N.D]

If you're not fussed about watching them on the Sunday, let me know

Thanks mate, much appreciated I've paid for the VPN so it's BETTER be working

BTCC Champion... what more do you need to know...

Of course, I'm aware of that, but you know, sometimes my wording is botched
Awesome picture, by the way. E36 is my most favourite BMW, ever

Another thing that made me laugh today, is when Thompson and Creese crashed into each other at race 2. Both of them were mad. Creese slammed the door, and then when the camera went to Thompson, Harvey commented: "I am even more angry, and I can prove that by slamming the door even harder"

 

[Matski]

DTM: Watching Race 2 from the Lousyring... In the pub... Could be worse...

 

[M.N.D]

Lausitzring isn't my favourite circuit, but i haven't seen anything yet. Let's see how our boys performed this time around... I'll be back once I'm done watching

 

[M.N.D]

I've finished watching the Lausitzring round...

Race 1 was good. Nothing super exciting, but Van Der Linde was doing a good job. Race 2 was better, and it was the best towards the final laps, and I quite liked the last lap. As much as I don't like Muller, he's doing an excellent job, and now I know how you feel about Sutton @Matski

I can easily say that Audi will leave DTM as possibly the best manufacturer that entered the sport, as they'll tie or even exceed Mercedes with the number of titles if they'll keep their pace, which I'll be surprised if they don't. They know how to do their job fantastically.

BMW will probably give us another $#!t show, which is so frustrating. Even Kubica was complaining about the lack of pace in the cars. Wittmann, Van Der Linde and Eng are the top drivers, and Glock was doing very well but the pace wasn't there for any of them.

At this rate, I don't know where DTM will go from there. If the Japanese don't step in, this may be the last season. I don't see them adopting a GT3 platform because GT Masters. DTM trophy, on the other hand, was good. I watched the first round at Spa, and it was good but that was mainly because of the GT4 platform.

 

[M.N.D]

@Beemer B773ER

I was looking at the 2020 NASCAR Cup season's page on Wikipedia, and there is a load of confusing information, which leads to some questions that I'll be thankful if you can answer them:

- Regarding the teams, there is Chartered, Non-chartered and limited entry. Does this mean that we have manufacturer entries and independent entries, or what?

- Why does the crew chief has to be listed? Isn't he supposed to be the team manager, or they have a different role?

- What is the playoff? is it a different championship within the main one?

- Looking at the rather long calendar, I'm assuming there are multiple races on a single track, correct?

- I've taken a look at the points system page, so I assume that I got that right (40 points for the winner, plus 1 point for leading the final lap, then subtracting 1 point all the way to the 40th position), right?

- Since I don't know the names that much, which names I should be looking for? I'm generally more of a GM fan, but until I become familiar with the series and the names, I'm okay with whoever gives a good race, and NASCAR is so competitive, so it'll be a bit hard to know who's who...

Pardon some parts of the question's list that don't make sense or are too obvious. If you have something useful to add, please do

Thanks a lot, man maybe I'll be able to join the discussion

 

[Matski]

- Since I don't know the names that much, which names I should be looking for? I'm generally more of a GM fan, but until I become familiar with the series and the names, I'm okay with whoever gives a good race, and NASCAR is so competitive, so it'll be a bit hard to know who's who...

I'll let @Beemer B773ER field the questions if he likes... but on this one, NASCAR is much more than about who is competitive... it's about the rivalries and banter too!

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Seriously though, you might get a better idea about the drivers just by watching some driver interviews... I find them pretty entertaining.

...

... and then, after all that. Support 7-time champ Jimmie Johnson. He's NASCAR's Colin Turkington in my opinion!