CLK-Class (C209) CLK63 to eat M6????

[Matt]

Despite the fact that it may be true or it may not be true what you said, the way you phrased it might seem rather offensive to some other members here. Just letting you know

Ok, made it more PC.

 

[GTA45E]

No matter what engine you put under the bonnet a merc will never be a drivers car until thay start making non-automatic transmissions.

This suggests "athletic" ability to me. I don`t see where an automatic
tranny would distract from the driver who wants a drivers car in a hi-powered automatic sports car.

Who said anything about athletic ability? I'm just saying that guys who enjoy driving and racing probably won't consider a merc because its just another automatic that anybody with money can drive fast.

There are many other choices out there. The driver can choose whatever he likes. There are also drivers who don`t like manual
or SMG type transmissions (and the problems thay come with). The choices are vast

 

[Zafiro]

Every carmaker can build a fast car in straightlines and cars to handles well.
Whats harder is to build the car around the driver. Its all about feelings, the driver and the car has to become one. You want a great driving experience, you want feedback when you drive a car.

Take for instance Golf R32 and 130i. R32 is a faster car around the track, accelerate fast as a 130i but carreviews commented that the 130i is more fun to drive cause the driving experience is better, the feedback to the driver is better. In EVO they had a test between RS4 and M3, the RS4 handles better and accelerate faster but they said the M3 was more fun to drive, the emotions and feedback to the driver was better.
A SL55 is faster than 911 Carrera around Nordschleife but it doesnt mean a SL55 is as fun as a Carrera or the feedback to the driver is better in a SL55.
Carrera simply offer a better driving experience cause you become one with the car.

So whats the meaning with this post? Im saying a big engine isnt the only thing that matters. The ultimate driving experinence is more than just a big engine, its also about feedback and feelings.

 

[Porsche Guy]

So whats the meaning with this post? Im saying a big engine isnt the only thing that matters. The ultimate driving experinence is more than just a big engine, its also about feedback and feelings.

I couldn't agree more. I hope the CLK63 has improved in more areas than simply power.

 

[GTA45E]

Like I said a few posts back Just_me, all we have is press info now. You or I don`t know what these cars are capable of yet. I believe we are jumping to too many conclusions at the moment. We were just guessing the speed numbers and thing kind of got out of hand. I suggest we be a little patient for the time being.

 

[GTA45E]

I hope the CLK63 has improved in more areas than simply power.

Here`s hoping you checked out the SLK55 article I posted concerning the G7.

 

[Zafiro]

Here`s hoping you checked out the SLK55 article I posted concerning the G7.

I hope its more than just the G7....

 

[Zafiro]

Like I said a few posts back Just_me, all we have is press info now. You or I don`t know what these cars are capable of yet. I believe we are jumping to too many conclusions at the moment. We were just guessing the speed numbers and thing kind of got out of hand. I suggest we be a little patient for the time being.

lol GTA I think I said the same thing a couple of posts back Noone listen ad the thread is still growing

 

[GTA45E]

That article is interesting, yes it`s more than the G7, just give it a read. It`s way past my bed time, lol

 

[Zafiro]

That article is interesting, yes it`s more than the G7, just give it a read. It`s way past my bed time, lol

I just read it, the gearbox seem nice, the drawbacks was jerky stops cause by intrusive downshifts, heavy steering. I hope this things have been improved on the bigger brothers. The driving experience would also be better if MB offered a seqventiell gearbox or a manual. I read that MB considering a seqventiell gearbox but it seem to be ahead in the future. I also hope the ESP can be turned off 100%, I remember Sportauto complained it didnt work which affected the laptime.

 

[Porsche Guy]

Here`s hoping you checked out the SLK55 article I posted concerning the G7.

Thanks for the great article. I didn't realize that the SLK55 was so fast. It's a very cool car and the new transmission is certainly a welcome improvement. In my last post I was implying that I hope all aspects, ie chassis dynamics, improve to match the new engine and transmission. What good is all this new speed and power if you can't control/exploit it?

 

[GTA45E]

I just read it, the gearbox seem nice, the drawbacks was jerky stops cause by intrusive downshifts, heavy steering. I hope this things have been improved on the bigger brothers.

Yep, the SLK55 isn`t perfect but the performance is quit stunning.
The 63 models might have a more refined driving experience. It won`t be long before we see a SLK63. It should be an improvement over the SLK55 guys.


check out Top Gears review of the SLK55 vs Porsche Boxter S in the sound and vision forums I posted
article: http://www.germancarforum.com/showthread.php?t=3204

 

[ALI]

Please guys , do not judge AMG cars by most of tests . If there is one test you can completely believe and trust , it's TOPGEAR . Why ? Because they use speedshift , and that's all they need to make the car work it . Not like that stupid girl at fifth gear , she tested the SLK55 in the automatic setting arround the track , most of you might not notice that but I own an AMG and to me she looked stupid and rediculous to not know how to use a car that she was actually testing , and same goes to lots of idiots like her . Believe it or not , most of the magazines do the same thing , we all know automatic geerbox will disturb the engine on a corner by changing gears according to the revvs , so when speedshift paddles are used , the driver can get the max out of it , same goes to why top gear got such an amazing record with the SLR and CLS 55 . The M5 did do slightly better than CLS55 , but that's because it's more powerfull and about 150 pounds lighter . We'll see what the 63s will accomplish soon , they are very promising and these models will get an all arround revised package .

 

[Matt]

Every carmaker can build a fast car in straightlines and cars to handles well.
Whats harder is to build the car around the driver. Its all about feelings, the driver and the car has to become one. You want a great driving experience, you want feedback when you drive a car.

Take for instance Golf R32 and 130i. R32 is a faster car around the track, accelerate fast as a 130i but carreviews commented that the 130i is more fun to drive cause the driving experience is better, the feedback to the driver is better. In EVO they had a test between RS4 and M3, the RS4 handles better and accelerate faster but they said the M3 was more fun to drive, the emotions and feedback to the driver was better.
A SL55 is faster than 911 Carrera around Nordschleife but it doesnt mean a SL55 is as fun as a Carrera or the feedback to the driver is better in a SL55.
Carrera simply offer a better driving experience cause you become one with the car.

So whats the meaning with this post? Im saying a big engine isnt the only thing that matters. The ultimate driving experinence is more than just a big engine, its also about feedback and feelings.

ABSOLUTELY! Sometimes lap times and acceleration arent as important as steering feel. The car that makes the driver feel as though they're one with it, is going to win the buyer more than anything else. Andreas, you nailed it on the head! Cars that make the driver feel confident and "awesom" are the cars that are going to sell.

 

[Zafiro]

Please guys , do not judge AMG cars by most of tests . If there is one test you can completely believe and trust , it's TOPGEAR . Why ? Because they use speedshift , and that's all they need to make the car work it . Not like that stupid girl at fifth gear , she tested the SLK55 in the automatic setting arround the track , most of you might not notice that but I own an AMG and to me she looked stupid and rediculous to not know how to use a car that she was actually testing , and same goes to lots of idiots like her . Believe it or not , most of the magazines do the same thing , we all know automatic geerbox will disturb the engine on a corner by changing gears according to the revvs , so when speedshift paddles are used , the driver can get the max out of it , same goes to why top gear got such an amazing record with the SLR and CLS 55 . The M5 did do slightly better than CLS55 , but that's because it's more powerfull and about 150 pounds lighter . We'll see what the 63s will accomplish soon , they are very promising and these models will get an all arround revised package .

TopGear mean nothing to me, I listen to what Sportauto says.
The best thing is to try the cars and make up your own mind. TG is just a joke to me, its a fun entertaining show but what they say goes through my ears.

 

[ALI]

TopGear mean nothing to me, I listen to what Sportauto says.
The best thing is to try the cars and make up your own mind. TG is just a joke to me, its a fun entertaining show but what they say goes through my ears.

What about their tests arround the track with stigg ? is that a joke to you ? that is the only part of top gear I take seriously , everything else is just entertainment .

And you might be right about trying the cars and making up your mind being the best thing , but how many here are doing this and posting according to what they tested , all I see is that they are saying whatever they want about the cars they dont like . Have you ever read a post of mine that criticises the M5 ? No ofcourse , because I dont BS about something I know or have tested .

 

[ALI]

ABSOLUTELY! Sometimes lap times and acceleration arent as important as steering feel. The car that makes the driver feel as though they're one with it, is going to win the buyer more than anything else. Andreas, you nailed it on the head! Cars that make the driver feel confident and "awesom" are the cars that are going to sell.

I dont get your point clearly , but nothing is wrong with any of the new benzes' steering feel anyway .

 

[Zafiro]

What about their tests arround the track with stigg ? is that a joke to you ? that is the only part of top gear I take seriously , everything else is just entertainment .

And you might be right about trying the cars and making up your mind being the best thing , but how many here are doing this and posting according to what they tested , all I see is that they are saying whatever they want about the cars they dont like . Have you ever read a post of mine that criticises the M5 ? No ofcourse , because I dont BS about something I know or have tested .

TopGear is all about entertaining, thats the point with TG. Their shows cant be taken serious. I watch cause is fun not because I want to learn something about the car.

And their laptimes are strange, they changed driver, many laps are done in the wet and some cars get to bad laptimes thats to bad to be true sometimes.
If I want to check laptimes I go with Sportautos times. Its a wellknown source around the motorenthusiasts. Sportauto dont just drive the car around tracks, they also tell us how the car behave, how the car feels to drive, what's good or bad about the car and what could be improved etc etc. Sportauto go deap on the cars and tell us several details.

 

[ALI]

Atleast the CLS55 and M5 were tested in dry conditions .

 

[Matt]

TopGear is all about entertaining, thats the point with TG. Their shows cant be taken serious. I watch cause is fun not because I want to learn something about the car.

And their laptimes are strange, they changed driver, many laps are done in the wet and some cars get to bad laptimes thats to bad to be true sometimes.
If I want to check laptimes I go with Sportautos times. Its a wellknown source around the motorenthusiasts. Sportauto dont just drive the car around tracks, they also tell us how the car behave, how the car feels to drive, what's good or bad about the car and what could be improved etc etc. Sportauto go deap on the cars and tell us several details.

Where can we find these Sportauto reviews?? P.S. has the Nordshleiffe times been updated lately?