Poll C&D: 2016 Cadillac CTS-V Test


Which one to get?

  • Audi RS7

    Votes: 4 8.9%
  • BMW M5

    Votes: 20 44.4%
  • Jaguar XF-R

    Votes: 2 4.4%
  • Mercedes E63 S AMG

    Votes: 17 37.8%
  • Cadillac CTS-V

    Votes: 2 4.4%

  • Total voters
    45

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Wow. What a car. The most incredible part is the low weight. I have to applaud the engineers for bringing the weight down to almost 4,100 lbs. That is segment leading by a large margin. And it is the as tested weight. Not some unrealistic manufacturer claim. Or even outright lie as JLR does lol.

Audi RS7: 4450 lbs (+321 lbs)
BMW M5: 4370 lbs (+241 lbs)
Mercedes E63: 4400 lbs (+279 lbs)
Jaguar XF-R: 4,400 lbs (+279 lbs)
Cadillac CTS-V: 4,129 lbs


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2016 Cadillac CTS-V
The Cadillac CTS-V is a screaming supersedan out to tear the legs off the German competition.

Need we remind you these are seriously twisted times? Without prompt intervention, Bartholomew JoJo Simpson, that lovable fourth-grade cartoon cutup, will never see his 11th birthday. Homer is dumping Marge for a younger woman. Former down-home darling Miley Cyrus might be the instrument of some secret society. And in our own world, zero-emission vehicles are vying for garage space with modern muscle cars.

What we need to weather this maelstrom is a car we can trust. Something fast and fun, an automobile suitable for commuting that will broom cerebral cobwebs with every brush of the right pedal. An American Pharoah, if you will.

Cadillac has raised both hands to answer this call. With a decade of V models under its belt, a division boss who understands the fast-four-door gambit (after having helped Audi master it), and the General’s steadfast backing, the redesigned and newly wreathless crest is ready to play supersedan hardball courtesy of its third-generation CTS-V.


This segment could use a spritz of vitality. Jaguar has sold its meager allotment of XFR-Ss. Lexus’s new GS F lacks sufficient firepower. APorsche Panamera with competitive gusto costs $142,295. That leaves only the Audi RS7, BMW M5, and Mercedes-AMG E63 S on Cadillac’s dartboard.

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Caddy’s dart is built on an efficient Alpha platform evolved from the ATS. A supercharged and intercooled 6.2-liter LT4 V-8 borrowed from the Chevy Corvette Z06 provides a healthy 640 horsepower at 6400 rpm and 630 pound-feet of torque at 3600 rpm. Smart electronic controls regulate the eight-speed automatic transmission, electrically assisted power steering, magnetorheological dampers, and limited-slip differential. There’s enough Brembo braking capacity here to slow a locomotive. Recaro sport seats and Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires on forged aluminum wheels enhance traction inside and underneath. A smattering of carbon-fiber components, including the hood, help the CTS-V beat the curb weights of its enemies by 100 to 600 pounds. This is pharmaceutical-grade stuff.

To prove that its track-day stamina isn’t hollow braggadocio, Cadillac turned us loose on Road America’s four-mile circuit where we topped 140 mph three times per lap. This was the ideal venue to learn the CTS-V’s finer points. First lesson: Don’t try to outsmart the gearbox by clicking the paddle shifters. Simply leaving the console shifter in D in any driving mode above Tour runs the engine to within 200 rpm of the 6500-rpm redline before upshifts, while also providing the right gear for hustling out of bends. We observed the CTS-V’s astute Performance Traction Management system adjusting power and differential lock-up to modulate understeer during turn-in and oversteer when exiting turns. Our third discovery is that the real fun comes in PTM’s Race mode when all the well-intentioned assist systems are mostly dormant. The trick is to trail the brakes entering a corner so the front tires don’t wash out; then you carefully add throttle in the middle of the turn to avoid wagging the tail. One of the CTS-V’s most endearing traits is the reserve built into the last 10 percent of accelerator-pedal travel. Saving that booster rocket for the corner exit rewards you with big speed at the end of the straight.

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Working the quick, hefty steering is the best isometric exercise you can enjoy sitting down, though you must concentrate to sense the faint feedback from the front tires. In the interest of maximizing hand-to-wheel and butt-to-bucket grip, don’t skip the $300 faux-suede steering wheel and shifter covers or the $2300 Recaro front seats. Note to Cadillac: A more congenial surface for bracing a left knee against the door panel would be welcome.

Given the CTS-V’s two-ton-plus heft, you’d think that carbon-ceramic brakes would be handy for track-day expeditions. Chief engineer Tony Roma and Brembo engineer Benjamin Pohl acknowledge that such an option was considered but rejected on cost grounds and the desire to configure the base car in track-ready form. Instead of complicating the CTS-V with two brake packages, Cadillac set a goal of providing enough thermal capacity to support two fuel tanks’ worth of uninterrupted track lapping without overheating the brakes. To achieve that objective, the six-piston front and four-piston rear calipers grab four of the largest vented-iron rotors in captivity. The fronts are 15.4 inches in diameter, the rears 14.4. The pedal feels happy in its work, with deceleration directly proportional to the applied pressure and minimal droop during hot lapping. Bolted-in aluminum centers save weight, and a patented ferritic nitro-carburizing process (heat treating in a nitrogen-rich atmosphere) improves durability while discouraging corrosion.

Considering the 640 horsepower leaving the crankshaft at 6400 rpm, this pushrod small-block is surprisingly quiet. There’s minimal supercharger whine and redline ruckus. What you hear is the growling stomach of a bear rousing from a long winter’s nap. Outside the cabin, the din is more like an F/A-18 with afterburners lit. To take the edge off engine noise, Cadillac installs a muff at the rear of the Eaton TVS supercharger and programs the Bose sound system to neuter the harsh notes. The muffler-bypass valves are closed during start-up to avoid angry 6 a.m. calls from exasperated neighbors.

With Ferrari-grade power, intelligent traction management, and Michelin’s finest 19-inch radials on tap, we expected an exemplary performance with the test gear strapped on. Sure enough, the new CTS-V clicked off a run to 60 mph in 3.6 seconds on its way to 100 mph in only 7.5 seconds. The quarter-mile ticket—124 mph in 11.8 seconds—spots this car in the thick of the quickest imported sedans. Belying its 4129-pound curb weight and heavily laden front tires, this Cadillac corners at 0.98 g. Stopping from 70 mph in 149 feet without fade during repetitive braking tests, it beats two of the three Germans in its gun sight. Launch control is so effective that we struggled to beat it with the feature disabled. And the leap from 50 to 70 mph during our passing test is a grand jeté from eighth to third gear requiring just 2.1 seconds.

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The greater surprise is the CTS-V’s poise in ordinary driving. Adaptive dampers deftly curb body motion without spoiling the ride, so cruising most roads feels like rolling across freshly groomed putting greens. Neither swell nor heave catches this chassis out. Reinforced by stiff castings, plates, and tubular struts galore, this body shell is positively ingotlike. Acoustic glass, sound deadening, and a nicely tuned suspension system filter out extraneous noise to support genteel conversation at 100 mph. It’s no mere Corvette with a back seat: This new CTS-V performs well enough to send the Germans back to their dyno cells while simultaneously raising the speed-luxury stakes.


After whining incessantly about Cadillac’s poorly executed CUE infotainment gear, we’re elated to report that major amends have been made. The main eight-inch infotainment touch screen is smarter and quicker-responding thanks to a new processor. Other bonuses: A color head-up display is standard, and a reconfigurable 12.3-inch digital instrument cluster lights up with a high-contrast black-on-white tachometer in performance-driving modes. The $1300 Performance Data Recorder stores your best laps for replay, both in the car and via laptop during cocktail hour. Apple’s CarPlay can be routed directly to the CUE screen, and Android Auto will be available shortly.

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A breakthrough supersedan is what you get when you turn a dedicated bunch of racers loose on a liberal budget. The speed affliction runs deep here. Chassis-development engineer Drew Cattell competes in endurance karts and an American Sedan Chevy Camaro. Brian Wallace, the engineer who proved this Cadillac could top 200 mph, raced with his father, Tom Wallace, a former Corvette chief engineer. Lead V-series development engineer John Buttermore won two SCCA Touring class national championships. Tony Roma climbed GM ranks through high-performance V-8 engine development, Cadillac’s endurance-racing program, and theCamaro ZL1 launch. He’s road-raced everything from an MG Midget to a Pontiac Firebird. And Cadillac president Johan de Nysschen is no stranger to victory champagne, having celebrated 10 Le Mans 24-hour race victories during his 19 years at Audi. In such a stormy world, a seasoned crew like this restores our faith.

Lighter and leaner than America’s other speed hero, the Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat, the CTS-V stands ready and, based on this test, able to match wheels with Europe’s hottest. Next stop: a bare-knuckle, over-the-road smackdown to determine which supersedan deserves the C/D crown.

Highs, Lows, and Verdict
Highs:
Incredible power, poise, and performance.

Lows:
Steering is light on feedback, door makes an uncomfortable knee brace.

Verdict:
A very scary sedan, but only if you happen to be employed by Mercedes-AMG, BMW’s M division, or Audi’s Quattro GmbH.

VEHICLE TYPE:front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan

PRICE AS TESTED:$95,290 (base price: $84,990)

ENGINE TYPE:supercharged and intercooled V-8, aluminum block and heads

DISPLACEMENT:376 cu in, 6162 cc
Power: 640 hp @ 6400 rpm
Torque: 630 lb-ft @ 3600 rpm

TRANSMISSION:8-speed automatic with manual shifting mode

DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 114.6 in
Length: 197.7 in
Width: 72.2 in Height:57.2 in
SAE interior volume: F:61 cu ft R: 42 cu ft
Trunk: 14 cu ft
Curb weight: 4129 lb

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 7.5 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 13.6 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 17.4 sec
Zero to 170 mph: 25.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 3.8 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.0 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 11.8 sec @ 124 mph
Top speed (drag ltd, mfr's claim): 200 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 149 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.98 g

FUEL ECONOMY:
EPA city/highway (C/Dest): 14/20 mpg
 
Road & Track
2016 Cadillac CTS-V: Instrumented Test Results


"Well balanced, so easy to manage hooligan-style slides."

BY ALEX KIERSTEIN AND ROBIN WARNER

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We just drove the 2016 Cadillac CTS-V at Road America, and we said "the CTS-V's sheer grip and solid chassis pulled fat from fire every time, almost without being asked ... This is one playful bruiser."

The numbers back it up. We sent our Road Test Editor, Robin Warner, to Chelsea Proving Grounds to put the 2016 CTS-V through our standard battery of instrumented tests. Despite weighing more than two tons, the 640 hp brute charged to 60 in 3.5 seconds, managed nearly 1g on the skidpad, and hauled itself down from 80 mph in 191 feet with minimal brake fade.

Handling tests showed some mild understeer at the limits, but enough balance to transition into "hooligan-style slides". And the 8-speed automatic made launches easy. Bonus: a "boss-sounding" exhaust note. That's the technical description. And Warner gives it an emphatic two thumbs up.

Check out all the detailed test results below. Click on the image expand icon to make it larger.

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Incredible performance, it's more insane than I thought.

Strange how R&T has better numbers than Car&Driver.
It's usually the other way around.
 
Good numbers, but it appears that the CTS needed way more power to match the E63 S and RS7 numbers. Neither of those cars have anywhere near 640hp.

M
 
0-100 kph in 4,0 s
0-200 kph in 11,6 s

R&T-numbers without rollout. Best 0-200 kph time for RS7 is 12,0 s, for E63 AMG 11,9 s.
 
Where is Tesla P85D option :sneaky:? While I am half kidding, as long as you have another fun toy, and you don't plan to track your 2 ton behemoth or live where chargers are scarce... it does most things better.
 
0-100 kph in 4,0 s
0-200 kph in 11,6 s

R&T-numbers without rollout. Best 0-200 kph time for RS7 is 12,0 s, for E63 AMG 11,9 s.


Well, the best time for RS7 in 0-200 kph is 11.7 s by Autozeitung ;)
 
Where is Tesla P85D option :sneaky:? While I am half kidding, as long as you have another fun toy, and you don't plan to track your 2 ton behemoth or live where chargers are scarce... it does most things better.

Compared to the Caddy perhaps ;)
 
It seems to me, or this is perhaps the real, golden era of the American auto industry? Camaro, Mustang, Corvette, Viper, Cherokee and Grand Cherokee, Chrysler 300C, all Caddys, Dodge Charger and Challenger......all winners....

Btw, the TopGear test of the CTS-V concluded that the car is quantifiable better than the competition, driving wise, and possible the best sport saloon on sale. Impressive, in all counts.

Edit: Herein guys:

http://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/cadillac/v-62-4dr-auto/first-drive

This new CTS-V has not just leveled its offer with the competition, it’s surpassed it in several areas.

The second depends on why you drive a car – for yourself or other people. The socially acceptable default choice is German-made. But, if you’re honest, the best car for you now might just be an American one.

Way to go, for the USA
 
Good numbers, but it appears that the CTS needed way more power to match the E63 S and RS7 numbers. Neither of those cars have anywhere near 640hp.

M

That's if Mercedes and Audi are actually telling the truth, quite often they sandbag.
 
^
Very true

2016 Cadillac CTS-V 0-60 in 3.5sec / 1/4mile 11.6 @126.1mph (according to R&T.)


*BMW M5 Competition-Package 0-60 in 3.7sec / 1/4 mile 11.9sec @122.2mph
*Mercedes E63S 4-Matic 0-60 3.4sec/ 1/4mile 11.6sec @121.8mph
(*from the old head to head motor trend comparisonhttp://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1311_2014_mercedes_benz_e63_amg_s_vs_bmw_m5_competition_pack_comparison/)

I am going to throw in the Charger Hellcat and the Tesla P85D for comparison.
Motor Trend got a 0-60 time of 3.7sec / 1/4mile 11.8sec @124.3mph from the Charger Hellcat.
The Tesla P85D 0-60 in 3.2sec / 1/4 mile 11.6sec @115.2mph
(http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests...rt_hellcat_vs_tesla_model_s_p85d/viewall.html)

We will have to wait for a true head to head with equal conditions.
I believe Cadillac has a winner here.



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The Germans. Always the Germans. Their brands have been the benchmark for luxurious motoring since Nixon left the White House
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in disgrace. But it wasn’t always that way. Cadillac was once The Standard of the World. Can it be that once again? The 2016 Cadillac CTS-V is the latest salvo in an ongoing campaign to prove that America’s luxury brand can rise from its malaise-era ashes. And it’s one hell of a salvo.

So what’s under the hood of this beast? Nearly the same thing as under the hood of the C7 Chevy Corvette
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Z06, that’s what: a 6.2-liter supercharged V-8 that’s good for 640 horsepower and 630 pound-feet of torque in the CTS-V. Why the slightly lower power figures? It all comes down to the exhaust routing and quietness needed for the CTS-V’s packaging and luxury requirements. Simple, and trust me, you won’t notice the missing 10 hp. Ever.

With all that power, you’d expect the 2016 Cadillac CTS-V to throw down some impressive performance numbers, and you’d be correct: it hits 60 mph in 3.7 seconds, and a top speed of 200 mph. But the CTS-V is about much more than the straight line—whether it’s a drag strip or an open stretch of freeway.

More than once during my test of the CTS-V, I found myself wondering, “How can a large luxury sedan turn so well?” The answer is both simpler and more complex than you might think. The simple version is that it has a very good suspension, both in terms of design and components, mated to a stiff and able chassis. The complex version is how that suspension works in concert with the chassis.

Third-generation magneto-rheological (MR, or Magnetic Ride Control in Cadillac parlance) dampers, just like those found on the Corvette Z06 (and a few exotic supercars, too), do most of this complicated dirty work. Controlling the relative motion of the wheels and body in a two-ton package like the CTS-V’s is no small feat of engineering—and that’s just to get it to go down the road like a luxury car
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should. If you want a car to do that and also shred corners like a much smaller sports car, you need some magic.

That’s where the hard-to-pronounce bits come in. With its almost infinitely variable viscosity, the MR fluid in the CTS-V’s dampers can adjust through an incredible range of forces, allowing track-stiff settings and (nearly) Brougham-esque waft all in one package. It does this by scanning the road for surface conditions, taking inputs from the various sensors that indicate how hard the driver is pushing, and mashing it all up into a formula for grip and ride quality—and doing it 1,000 times per second. That translates to a measurement every inch at 60 mph.

In real-world terms, all this technical detail means the CTS-V can offer
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both impressive ride comfort and impressive handling in a way that’s essentially transparent to the driver.

But what is it really like to drive? The experience is breathtaking: brutal, endless acceleration; shockingly good braking; neck-stretching grip. Part of the surprise factor in the CTS-V’s performance comes down to weight. Yes, the CTS-V is a large luxury sedan, but, somewhat surprisingly, it’s not that heavy. In fact, its 4,145-pound curb weight is just about 300 pounds heavier than its little brother, the ATS-V—and more than 200 pounds lighter than the 2016 BMW M5. This translates to a nimbleness, and a feeling of “shrinking around the driver” that you don’t expect from a rear 3/4 angle of the exterior.

In other words: the CTS-V
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is damned good. Really damned good. Better than the BMW M5/M6, and even better than the venerable (and soon to be replaced) Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG. Better on track, at the least, and, if you can get past or get used to the CUE infotainment system
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, better on the street, too.

No, I’m not going to persuade you to give up your brand loyalty. And the M5/M6 and E63 are all great cars, with their own strengths and weaknesses. But on the whole, having driven all of them, I like the CTS-V more, both for its performance and for its high-tech, luxurious comfort. The styling question, I leave to the aesthetes; it should suffice to say that I’m just fine with the angular, crisp lines and somewhat less fine, but not ultimately bothered by, the too-much-chrome bits.

Ultimately, the Cadillac CTS-V
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is not a mainstream luxury car, it won’t sell in high volumes, and it isn’t the car that will establish Cadillac as a world leader in either the performance or luxury segments. What it is, however, is another high-profile rung on its ladder to success, and taken together with the ATS-V, plus the standard CTS and ATS the V-series cars are based on, a rounding out of the full luxury/performance vehicle profile the brand needs to really take on BMW, Mercedes
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, and Audi—and win.

If Caddy keeps doing it like this, 20 years from now, we might just be talking about the German comeback cars seeking to dethrone the reigning Americans.

-->> http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1099297_2016-cadillac-cts-v-first-drive-video/page-2

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The new CTS-V has got to be a fantastic phenomenal drive.
One of these days I am going to take one for a spin. (- so much praise from the journalists and I believe them.)

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No GM car has ever been this compelling to me, I really want to drive it. What happens if I like it though?

M
 
Take it for a spin man.
I believe you will enjoy it. The base CTS is already fantastic and utterly flexible in every situation.
I can only imagine the new CTS-V.
 
Certainly has the performance and chassis dynamics to cause a wake up call with RS, M and AMG divisions engineers, they will need to up the power ante of their futures models to at least 470kw (640PS) to give the american saloons (Hellcat and this CTS-V) some credible challenge.
 
Don't know about the upcoming rivals(m5, amg), but from the current gens I'd take the cts-v today.
I don't like how it looks though. Hope, the next gen models will be much more exciting.
P.s. No full led? That is not good.
 

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