M5 BMW M5 F10 (spy pics & info)

[Mr Robert]

this is great.
Its gonna be fun watching the same bmw fans who were telling the FI'd guys that turbos are rubbish for a great driving experience how the new BMW M's are better than ever.

If BMW manages to do a better FI implementation than ever in history, they deserve all the credit. If they make something half-arsed like the V8 in the X5"M" and X6"M" they deserve... well, not so much praise.

 

[Sunny]

If BMW manages to do a better FI implementation than ever in history, they deserve all the credit. If they make something half-arsed like the V8 in the X5"M" and X6"M" they deserve... well, not so much praise.

I don't know why you keep repeating the V8 in X5/6 M is rubbish. The engine definitely makes the right numbers. And for what it is worth, BMW claims it has the quickest spooling turbos in a production car. And no test drive as complained about any lag despite powering a 5200lb truck. And before you say it, no it doesn't have the character of a high revving NA engine, it never will, no turbo will.

 

[Sunny]

The only problem I have with the DCT, SMG, etc., is the fact that if you're out of warranty, they have to be super expensive to repair. Which begs the question: At what point is the car worthless when the transmission goes bad and the dealership wants 5K to fix? Hell just to fix a manual the dealership will charge around 2K, so how much more is this? The other part that sucks is that you would have to go to the dealership because none of the regular shops will know what to do with it.

Haha 5k? I wish . It costs close to 20k to replace the GTR transmission. But I think the prices will come down as DCT becomes more common place. You can already buy aftermarket gears for your busted GTR transmission.

 

[NarutoRamen]

Haha 5k? I wish . It costs close to 20k to replace the GTR transmission. But I think the prices will come down as DCT becomes more common place. You can already buy aftermarket gears for your busted GTR transmission.

Well the GT-R transmission is a different story because it's not a massed produced car. They are still very limited in numbers compared to the M3, M5, etc. Also, unlike BMW, GT-R's transmission is so far only for that car and no other car by Nissan or Infiniti got it yet. DCT for BMW will be in many cars in the future. Also, I wasn't talking about a full replacement of the tranny but just the fixing of it. But even so, you proved my point and made it even more scary.

So what point is a car worthless if the tranny alone is 20K?

 

[Cashmere]

The only problem I have with the DCT, SMG, etc., is the fact that if you're out of warranty, they have to be super expensive to repair.

true. An acquaintance has been having endless troubles with SMG on his E46 M3 (and it out of warrantee). Its going to work out cheaper for him to do a manual swap then get it repaired/replaced so he is in the process of doing a manual transplant.

 

[NarutoRamen]

true. An acquaintance has been having endless troubles with SMG on his E46 M3 (and it out of warrantee). Its going to work out cheaper for him to do a manual swap then get it repaired/replaced so he is in the process of doing a manual transplant.

That's partly the reason why I don't trust this tech just yet. Sure, it's great for track but once it goes it will cost an arm and a leg and with dealerships charging $100 an hour or more for labor, you might as well just light your car on fire for what it's worth. I just hope they don't totally eliminate the manual option for those who don't want to pay dealership prices and get them done elsewhere with the same quality but far cheaper.

 

[Zafiro]

That's partly the reason why I don't trust this tech just yet. Sure, it's great for track but once it goes it will cost an arm and a leg and with dealerships charging $100 an hour or more for labor, you might as well just light your car on fire for what it's worth. I just hope they don't totally eliminate the manual option for those who don't want to pay dealership prices and get them done elsewhere with the same quality but far cheaper.

http://www.germancarforum.com/vehic...-recalled-over-two-separate-dsg-problems.html

 

[NarutoRamen]

http://www.germancarforum.com/vehic...-recalled-over-two-separate-dsg-problems.html

10 years or 100K miles? That's not bad I guess, but that would mean you literally have to drive less than 10K a year to maintain that otherwise a person like me will be out of warranty in 6 years. So basically, if you buy a new car, wait until the warranty is almost out and then buy an extended warranty...I guess that's the way to go from now on.

 

[Mr Robert]

The engine definitely makes the right numbers. And for what it is worth, BMW claims it has the quickest spooling turbos in a production car.

Numbers add upp to nothing.

Furthermore, I think most of us knew that the V8 used in the SUVs would not be that fun, it was designed to be used in a very, very heavy and quite unsporty vehicle. They could, really, not build it with the proper M character. I have no doubt the FI V8/V10 in the M5 will be much better.

 

[Sunny]

Numbers add upp to nothing.

Furthermore, I think most of us knew that the V8 used in the SUVs would not be that fun, it was designed to be used in a very, very heavy and quite unsporty vehicle. They could, really, not build it with the proper M character. I have no doubt the FI V8/V10 in the M5 will be much better.

I think you are setting your self up for disappointment if you are expecting "M character" from a FI engine. Almost all NA engines are underwhelming when it comes to character. Have you ever heard of reviewers singing praise of how a 911TT engine sounds or the GTR or the Veyron. But they all get the job done. It is like steak and sushi, you can't eat one expect it to taste like the other. I happen to have taste buds for both .

 

[Mr Robert]

I think you are setting your self up for disappointment if you are expecting "M character" from a FI engine. Almost all NA engines are underwhelming when it comes to character. Have you ever heard of reviewers singing praise of how a 911TT engine sounds or the GTR or the Veyron. But they all get the job done. It is like steak and sushi, you can't eat one expect it to taste like the other. I happen to have taste buds for both .

No, it will not have true M character. But I think BMW will do a better job at mimicking the typical M engine when they are not building an engine for a truck. It will not sound nearly as good, but responsiveness and power delivery could probably be done in a more engaging way.

The M characters we have all learned to know and love died in the last chapter of the good old book of M. The new book will have new, different, characters.

 

[Cashmere]

you might as well just light your car on fire for what it's worth.

you mean cash for clunkers?

 

[NarutoRamen]

you mean cash for clunkers?

That program is already over. LOL


BTW...Dr. Dunkel is right, there is a difference between making a V8TT for a SAV and making one for a car like the M5. I'm sure the M5 TT will get characteristics closer to NA engines as much as M can get it.

 

[Deleted member 25]

 

[Artmic]

I just wonder how the new 5 will handle, it is longer by what? 10cm? heavier, hmmm, if you add a v10 TT to it, with a dual clutch transmission i'm sure it could do 0 to 60 in 4.4 seconds.

 

[Sunny]

I just wonder how the new 5 will handle, it is longer by what? 10cm? heavier, hmmm, if you add a v10 TT to it, with a dual clutch transmission i'm sure it could do 0 to 60 in 4.4 seconds.

I think it is pretty sure it will be a V8TT and not a V10TT.

 

[Deleted member 25]

I hope it will match the Pana turbo, at least in the performance dep.

 

[LaArtist]

^tall order

 

[Centurion]

^tall order

Very much so. Especially when the Panamera will be facelifted and given a performance bump around the sametime the M5 is due. And given how merciless Porsche facelifts are, the Panamera is bound to cope with the M5.

 

[Sunny]

^tall order

Why? Considering E63 also has a measure of Panmera.