M3/M4 BMW M3 with Competition Package (Reviews)

[Sunny]

I can't give to a link to a public post because with over 6000 posts it's almost impossible to find, but here's a PM sent to a member here dated 27th of October last year, well before any official information was released by BMW.

My info came from a competitor, yes it appears both keep a very close eye on the competition. According to that info the 'CP' meaning competition package was being quickly developed in reaction to the RS5. That info suggested a lap time some where between the current M3 and the old CSL, they expected a slight reduction in weight (i.e. no elec seats, thinner glass, lighter alloys, mild aerodynamic tweaks etc) but no power hike.

I got a few items wrong but as I said in the PM the info wasn't coming direct from M-Division but from a competitor. Also note how accurate I was with the GTS, info that very few people knew at the time, but then I do make everything up as I am only a 14yrs boy that just happens to guess everything that apparantly comes true.

Few things wrong? Lol, you got almost everything wrong. The CP doesn't reduce weight, has electric seats, no aero dynamic changes and you missed the real CP stuff - suspension and dsc changes. Seriously dude, little unsolicited advice for you - when in a hole stop fking digging - even 14 year olds know that.

 

[Mr Robert]

...only the RS5 turned out to be less of a threat directly aimed at the M3 and more of something on its own. To me, your theory regarding the CP being a reaction to the RS5 falls a bit short as the former did not address anything the RS5 brought to the table.

That said, I'd love to have a CP M3, if nothing else, to get hold of that stunning blue colour!

 

[Sunny]

Don't know why you brought up Audi because I certainly didn't. I was only showing you that BMW like every other manufacturer reacts to the competition, that was why the Competition Pack was released when it was, right at the time of the RS5. New rival calls for action to try and hold on to sales until the arrival of the F30 M3.

Of course BMW reacts to competition and there are numerous examples of it. Is the CP an example of it? I doubt it. It is more of a compelling option to make BMW more money IMO. If BMW really wanted to go after RS5, it would have updated the base M3 with a more powerful engine and they probably might still do that.

Now, what is bull shit is you claiming to have some inside information saying the CP is reaction to RS5 with out anything to back it up, but just more bs. Why? Do you really feel that inferior that you can't make a case backing your argument on it's own merit with out these juvenile claims of having inside information and or having owned or driven a zillion cars/wheels/options?

 

[footie]

Few things wrong? Lol, you got almost everything wrong. The CP doesn't reduce weight, has electric seats, no aero dynamic changes and you missed the real CP stuff - suspension and dsc changes. Seriously dude, little unsolicited advice for you - when in a hole stop fking digging - even 14 year olds know that.

Are you as thick as you are appearing here, this information was weeks and weeks before it's official release and shortly after this post I spoken of the DSC being different. Sure some of the data was wrong, as I said it wasn't coming directly from BMW but from a competitor, the thinner glass, non electric seats wear all a guess in the belief that they were looking at reducing the weight to improve it's performance. I can assure you there is a member here who could easily confirm that I know a hell of a lot when it comes to what these brands are doing in the future.

Unlike yourself I am pro-active not re-active, I passing on information about future products even if some of the info may be wrong or change between that time and the launch where as you react to people's comments and seldom in a nice way.

Good day.

 

[Ultimate Car Guy]

Are you as thick as you are appearing here, this information was weeks and weeks before it's official release and shortly after this post I spoken of the DSC being different. Sure some of the data was wrong, as I said it wasn't coming directly from BMW but from a competitor, the thinner glass, non electric seats wear all a guess in the belief that they were looking at reducing the weight to improve it's performance. I can assure you there is a member here who could easily confirm that I know a hell of a lot when it comes to what these brands are doing in the future.

Unlike yourself I am pro-active not re-active, I passing on information about future products even if some of the info may be wrong or change between that time and the launch where as you react to people's comments and seldom in a nice way.

Good day.

I have more respect for members who are re-active and make a sound contribution, rather than one who writes BS.

 

[footie]

...only the RS5 turned out to be less of a threat directly aimed at the M3 and more of something on its own. To me, your theory regarding the CP being a reaction to the RS5 falls a bit short as the former did not address anything the RS5 brought to the table.

That said, I'd love to have a CP M3, if nothing else, to get hold of that stunning blue colour!

Well there is the question, does the RS5 threaten the M3 or not. Some reviewers (most in fact) think it does, and a bloody good job, where as some others (in a minority) think it doesn't.

I am of the opinion that the RS5 will be better in almost everyway to the M3 THAT IS MEASUREABLE but ultimately will fall short of providing the same level of involvement, a comment I had stuck to for ever. Only when the comparison tests are over will we truly know if the RS5 has being a real surprise, if I'm right then the CP was necessary to keep it's in the fight, the very fact that when both the CP and M-DCT is added that it's price gets very close indeed to that of the RS5 is another indicator that there may be something to my argument.

I have more respect for members who are re-active and make a sound contribution, rather than one who writes BS.

If it was BS then why was my claims proven correct months later. If you are so sure that I am wrong in my predictions and I don't know what I am talking about then find me one other person claiming of the Comp pack that was earlier than mine.

Maybe it's easier to deny the truth and shout BS when you are hearing things you don't want to hear or from someone you don't want to believe.

 

[Mr Robert]

I am of the opinion that the RS5 will be better in almost everyway to the M3 THAT IS MEASUREABLE but ultimately will fall short of providing the same level of involvement, a comment I had stuck to for ever.

In this I will agree.

Regarding price, such comparisons are hard to make with different markets and different pricing. But at least an M3 should be manual, in keeping it as it should be.

 

[footie]

In this I will agree.

Regarding price, such comparisons are hard to make with different markets and different pricing. But at least an M3 should be manual, in keeping it as it should be.

Pricing is harder to compare but once you had specced cars to same, making sure all have the same basic extras then it's easier to see if they are closer in price or not. Regarding the preference for a manual, I can't deny that it's the enthusiast's choice, it definitely makes the connection between driver and car the more complete but in stop/start traffic it's a pain and personally I'm too old plus have a bad ankle so auto or dct is my own real option now.

 

[Mr Robert]

As far as I recall, the clutch in the M3 is not that bad. Will work well in city driving

The only thing I think is needed in the M3 to make it speced to the same level as the RS is the EDC. But that discussion is old. The RS5 is a few €k dearer, nothing that will make a difference to the potential buyer.

 

[footie]

As far as I recall, the clutch in the M3 is not that bad. Will work well in city driving

The only thing I think is needed in the M3 to make it speced to the same level as the RS is the EDC. But that discussion is old. The RS5 is a few €k dearer, nothing that will make a difference to the potential buyer.

I didn't particularly like the clutch on the manual M3, probably would imporve with use as the few I drove were rather new, but from my experience with the S5 I just found in a pain in heavy traffic.

|Regarding the EDC in the M3, I thought it worked extremely well in my M3, though I did pick the right rim/tyre combination which was 18". I won't be drawn into whether the DRC is better than EDC, only that I do feel it offers as good a ride quality with 20" as my M3 did on 18".

 

[south]

I didn't particularly like the clutch on the manual M3, [...]

*unfriended*


Best regards,
south

 

[footie]

*unfriended*


Best regards,
south

I did say they were newest examples I drove and would probably improven with use. Anyway South you know me, I'm a 6MT member at heart.

 

[Sunny]

Sure some of the data was wrong, as I said it wasn't coming directly from BMW but from a competitor, the thinner glass, non electric seats wear all a guess in the belief that they were looking at reducing the weight to improve it's performance.

No not some of the data was wrong. All of it was wrong. You claimed non electric seats, lighter weight, aerodynamic changes. None of which is true for the CP. I have no idea with what shameless face you claim you have inside information.

 

[footie]

No not some of the data was wrong. All of it was wrong. You claimed non electric seats, lighter weight, aerodynamic changes. None of which is true for the CP. I have no idea with what shameless face you claim you have inside information.

Are you really that dense, I said the belief from the competitor was that BMW were looking among other things to reduce it's weight to boost it's performance, that was the thinking of the removal of some of those luxury items. In fact if you read most of the threads on the M 1series you will see the belief of removing luxury items to reduce it's weight, this is the most common method and I might add the cheapest.

Sunny, please find someone else who reported the coming of the Comp package sooner and I will be surprised, in fact astonished.

Reason.........you can't.

 

[Mr Robert]

I don't want to be the one to spoil the fun, but this is the "reviews" thread. Let's keep it on topic from now on. Thanks in advance.

 

[Poverty]

Cars a stupidly cheaper over here!

54k for a audi TTRS with options, 44k base price.

38k for a VW Golf R

Not cheap in my mind

 

[Sunny]

Sunny, please find someone else who reported the coming of the Comp package sooner and I will be surprised, in fact astonished.

Reason.........you can't.

lol, Google says other wise - Possible 2011 BMW M3 Competition Package - Spied - Car and Driver.

Hmmm, funny thing, how you regurgitate the same mistake C&D makes of predicting that this lighter version of M3 to be the competition package (but actually turned out to be the GTS). I guess we now know what your "inside" source is.

Of course, please feel free to continue digging deeper and claim it is the other way around how you are the source for C&D and your prediction came first.

 

[footie]

I don't want to be the one to spoil the fun, but this is the "reviews" thread. Let's keep it on topic from now on. Thanks in advance.

I would love nothing better but when someone questions my integrity I will defend myself, surely you can understand that.

 

[Sunny]

I don't want to be the one to spoil the fun, but this is the "reviews" thread. Let's keep it on topic from now on. Thanks in advance.

Please don't. When we have a fake recycling magazine artciles as 'inside information', others have a right to know.

 

[footie]

lol, Google says other wise - Possible 2011 BMW M3 Competition Package - Spied - Car and Driver.

Hmmm, funny thing, how you regurgitate the same mistake C&D makes of predicting that this lighter version of M3 to be the competition package (but actually turned out to be the GTS). I guess we now know what your "inside" source is.

Of course, please feel free to continue digging deeper and claim it is the other way around how you are the source for C&D and your prediction came first.

Did you even bother to read the PM I posted here, I'll highlight in bold showing where I already knew about the GTS. Don't think that C&D are that clued up.

My info came from a competitor, yes it appears both keep a very close eye on the competition. According to that info the 'CP' meaning competition package was being quickly developed in reaction to the RS5. That info suggested a lap time some where between the current M3 and the old CSL, they expected a slight reduction in weight (i.e. no elec seats, thinner glass, lighter alloys, mild aerodynamic tweaks etc) but no power hike.

The car I think Savage is meaning is an ultra light weight with a capacity increase, more focused suspension, brakes and more advanced DSC 'race' setup. If he's info is right about the lap time then even I am amazed and will probably position the car well beyond the average M3 owner.

Bob.

I would like to use a four letter word here to explain what you are but would incur an infraction, so I will refrain from doing so.

P.S.
Your continued effort to try to prove me a fraud is making you look a fool.