M3/M4 BMW M3 with Competition Package (Reviews)

[footie]

OK, enough with the bashing. Points made.

For my own, I don't think of the CP as somthing made to take a hit at the RS5, had that been the case, it would have turned out differently. As it seems, the RS5 did not hit the M3 in the heartland, so no need for major adjustments.

Other than that and more relevant to the topic: It seems like the CP brings nothing but nuances. Which is fine

Let me explain why I believe the Competition Package is a direct reaction by BMW against the RS5. For one the M3 even in it's standard form is still stiff competition for the RS5, it's not going to be that much slower either in acceleration or on the track but it's enough to make potential customers question whether sticking with the M3 is the right decision, especially as the RS5 has made a measureable jump in both connection and entertainment. So what the Competition Package has majored on is feel and entertainment, heightening these things instead of competing with the RS5 on outright power (decided against extra power because of the M3GTS). For those that prefer to be thrilled by the whole experience of driving quickly and have the skill to explore the chassis then the Competition Package is enough the decide against the quicker RS5, because there isn't any real difference in price, £56k vs £57k.

 

[Mr Robert]

Had BMW felt that the RS5 was about to dethrone the M3, I think the CP would have been more extensive. Now Audi, predicrtably, went the AWD and power-route and thus, no need to change a lot. But that is just me. I do, however, understand your reasoning.

Regarding pricing, did anyone read the latest Evo? Our suspicions seems to be well founded. Cars are dead cheap in the UK.

 

[footie]

Regarding pricing, did anyone read the latest Evo? Our suspicions seems to be well founded. Cars are dead cheap in the UK.

Compared to where because you are definitely not including the UK in this comment.

 

[Poverty]

boring just like the rs5.

Too heavy, too slow for the money, and in the M3's case a bland interior.

Bring on the M1 and a rumoured retro ur quattro, those two cars sound like they will be fun.

 

[Mr Robert]

Compared to where because you are definitely not including the UK in this comment.

Compared to the rest of the EC. 10-20% "discounts" are not uncommon.

 

[footie]

Compared to the rest of the EC. 10-20% "discounts" are not uncommon.

Funny, I always assumed that the UK was more expensive than most of Europe, it use to be because I bought a few cars in Germany saving approximately 20% compared to what I was getting back home.

Regarding the discount, sorry those figures are wrong, on average you can get between 5~9% on German brands but on certain models this will increase to 11%.

 

[Mr Robert]

Funny, I always assumed that the UK was more expensive than most of Europe, it use to be because I bought a few cars in Germany saving approximately 20% compared to what I was getting back home.

Regarding the discount, sorry those figures are wrong, on average you can get between 5~9% on German brands but on certain models this will increase to 11%.

That was the "discount" before the car is even at the dealer. Getting a discount on the advertised price could well erase the whole profit for the manufacturer.

You are correct regarding the past. Cars used to be expensive in the UK, today they are cheap.

 

[Zafiro]

Competiton package would come sooner or later even if RS5 didnt came to the market. BMW could have done the CS package more hardcore. The difference between a M3 and M3 CS isnt that huge. Thats my verdict after reading all those reviews. BMW could have done the CS much better.

 

[footie]

Competiton package would come sooner or later even if RS5 didnt came to the market. BMW could have done the CS package more hardcore. The difference between a M3 and M3 CS isnt that huge. Thats my verdict after reading all those reviews. BMW could have done the CS much better.

There is two limiting factors on what could be offered with the CP, one was the GTS and the second was the next M3. Emissions are a curse for performance cars and that is why I am of the opinion that the next M3 won't make a dramatic jump in output.

Maybe it's just perfect timing that the Competition pack got launched at the time of the RS5 and I am just imagining that BMW react to their main rivals.

 

[footie]

Lol, this keeps getting better. Hey guys, I predict that that there will be a competition package for the next M3... do you all now believe that I am related to the Quandt family?

Just purely out of curiosity, Footie, can you post a link to your this "prediction" about the competiotn package?

I can't give to a link to a public post because with over 6000 posts it's almost impossible to find, but here's a PM sent to a member here dated 27th of October last year, well before any official information was released by BMW.

#####,

My info came from a competitor, yes it appears both keep a very close eye on the competition. According to that info the 'CP' meaning competition package was being quickly developed in reaction to the RS5. That info suggested a lap time some where between the current M3 and the old CSL, they expected a slight reduction in weight (i.e. no elec seats, thinner glass, lighter alloys, mild aerodynamic tweaks etc) but no power hike.

The car I think Savage is meaning is an ultra light weight with a capacity increase, more focused suspension, brakes and more advanced DSC 'race' setup. If he's info is right about the lap time then even I am amazed and will probably position the car well beyond the average M3 owner.

Bob.

I got a few items wrong but as I said in the PM the info wasn't coming direct from M-Division but from a competitor. Also note how accurate I was with the GTS, info that very few people knew at the time, but then I do make everything up as I am only a 14yrs boy that just happens to guess everything that apparantly comes true.

 

[Poverty]

Cars cheap in the uk? No way, if cars are cheap in the UK then what are they in the US? Free?

 

[VroomVroom]

Cars cheap in the uk? No way, if cars are cheap in the UK then what are they in the US? Free?

Cars a stupidly cheaper over here!

 

[Mr Robert]

Cars cheap in the uk? No way, if cars are cheap in the UK then what are they in the US? Free?

Cars are almost for free in the US. That is correct

 

[Mr Robert]

Competiton package would come sooner or later even if RS5 didnt came to the market. BMW could have done the CS package more hardcore. The difference between a M3 and M3 CS isnt that huge. Thats my verdict after reading all those reviews. BMW could have done the CS much better.

Exactly. CP was bound to happen regardless of the competition as the components were already developed with the GTS.

 

[Sunny]

Cars are almost for free in the US. That is correct

We chose free cars over free health care.

 

[braaf]

Exactly. CP was bound to happen regardless of the competition as the components were already developed with the GTS.

Exactly, BMW don't react they lead.

 

[Mr Robert]

We chose free cars over free health care.

This is a dead end in terms of discussions in this thread

 

[footie]

Exactly, BMW don't react they lead.

Braaf,

You have openly stated you are a 100% full fat BMW nut, but this type of blind faith in the brand is unhealthy. Of course BMW react to the competition as does every single one of them and it doesn't always lead neither as I can recall quite a few occasions when BMW were late to the party when the subject was technology. Dual clutch, Direct Injection and Variable Vane Turbos to name but three.

What BMW are truly brilliant at is inventing niche products when everyone is convinced every possibility has been done and they make some exception cars and engines.

 

[braaf]

Braaf,

You have openly stated you are a 100% full fat BMW nut, but this type of blind faith in the brand is unhealthy. Of course BMW react to the competition as does every single one of them and it doesn't always lead neither as I can recall quite a few occasions when BMW were late to the party when the subject was technology. Dual clutch, Direct Injection and Variable Vane Turbos to name but three.

What BMW are truly brilliant at is inventing niche products when everyone is convinced every possibility has been done and they make some exception cars and engines.

Dude you shouldn't take life so seriously, and I hardly think my loyalty to BMW is gonna get me killed. With regards to BMW being late to the tech party, let me guess Audi was there first hey.

 

[footie]

Dude you shouldn't take life so seriously, and I hardly think my loyalty to BMW is gonna get me killed. With regards to BMW being late to the tech party, let me guess Audi was there first hey.

Don't know why you brought up Audi because I certainly didn't. I was only showing you that BMW like every other manufacturer reacts to the competition, that was why the Competition Pack was released when it was, right at the time of the RS5. New rival calls for action to try and hold on to sales until the arrival of the F30 M3.