BMW M Division : The Road Ahead

[LaArtist]

^ Well i would like it to be
M5, M3 CSL, Z4M.. And a Sportscar.. and a M version of the 1er..

2/5..

Its Ok..

And actually the M5 is a given..

So 1/4

 

[Zafiro]

M3 CSL has been replaced with M3 GTS so its okey but I agree a Z4M would be nice.

 

[LaArtist]

^really?
Isnt that really expensive and low production Numbers..
?

 

[Zafiro]

^really?
Isnt that really expensive and low production Numbers..
?

I assume you mean M3 GTS? yes it costs more than a M3 CSL did but neither M3 CSL was a high production model. Besides M3 GTS seem to be more extreme and I love it and will be built when somebody wants to buy one.

 

[LaArtist]

^yep i agree its HOT

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Certainly, my fellow-Dutchman AdvEvo has a very good point.

To be fair, he has made that point 37 times before.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

^ Well i would like it to be
M5, M3 CSL, Z4M.. And a Sportscar.. and a M version of the 1er..

2/5..

Its Ok..

And actually the M5 is a given..

So 1/4

Are people seriously expecting Scott to come on here and give full details of future M cars? I hope he does, but I'm also expecting it to be a lot of ambiguous statements where you have to read between the lines and actually find out very little.

It's time for you to prove me wrong Scott.

 

[LaArtist]

^Meh it might be fun for you who have a passion for BMW´s..
for me reading between the lines is just annoying..
As it often dissapoints..
Cause as a german car fan..you always read into it with high hopes..

 

[Betty Swollocks]

for me reading between the lines is just annoying...

Yes, I agree. That's my point.

 

[Beemer B773ER]

..but I'm also expecting it to be a lot of ambiguous statements where you have to read between the lines and actually find out very little.

To be fair, he has made that sort of post 237 times before.

It's time for you to prove me wrong Scott.

There ya go, finally got to see a bit of humour and BIG smile shine through! Must be the holiday season aye.

 

[Nikos120i]

It better be a non turbo ///M post then.

I love high-revving BMW engines as much as you do...I drive a 320si that revs all the way to 7.500 rpm out of a 2lt engine. I also just LOVE the stable acceleration that I get that allows me to balance the car mid-corner without any irritating turbo bursts that would lead to extensive and uncontrolable oversteer.

BMW knows their N/A motors really well...they know how to build them and they know exactly what needs to be done.

But the pressure from the competition is extremely high so BMW have come up with the twin-turbo concept to allow a natural-aspirated engine torque curve linearity and feel that allow a FAR better control than an Audi S3 motor example. No turbo breakouts, no lag...nothing.

Basically the VAG group is putting a turbo motor from 1.2lt engine to 3lt and 4lt motors upping the "horsepower" war. Mercedes is also going "turbo" in their AMG moderls...so BMW is the last castle to fall.

Finally, if you also take into consideration the pressure to reduce emissions as a Group then really there's no way out.

Personally I'm going to enjoy my high-revving 2lt engine along with the limited edition exclusivity my car gives me and drive it until the wheels fall off, eventhough the consumption is at M3 values, 14.7lt/100km

Eventhough I love turbos...I like the ease of acceleration with the low gas consumption they have...but the rev-range is smaller and the turbo breakout is annoying and really doesn't allow you to control the car, especially a RWD car. At least BMW's 3lt twin-turbo motors are not like VAG's group...acceleration comes more steadily without breakouts so I'm sure we'll see something of the same in I6 turbo for the next M3.

The "horsepower" war is raging and BMW wants to get on top. The only way to do this AND reduce emissions is by "going turbo", eventhough I DON'T like it...

 

[AdvEvo]

I rather say it to manny then one time to less

lol

Does it show i am a real ///M enthusiast.

I like driving cars. I have raced a porsche GT3 and my porsche dream is over i don t like the handling. But their high rev engines are a dream.

I like the balance of a bmw car very very much. And the balance of the car is very nice controllable by the throttle. It would for me be a big disaster if the balance of the car is not controlable anymore because of the turbo lag and to high NM. And that all because of emission rules. I can get angry because of that. Go hammer a turbo engine i did with a 135i it drinks just as much an E90 M3.

I am buying the fun cars right now. I have an E90 M3 and recently have bought a M3 CSL. I hope my GTS wil also arrive. Then i have my high rev cars. So if bmw goes turbo route i am settled for upcomming years.

We driving enthusiasts buy fun cars. i don t give a s h i t about consumption. I buy a toyota aygo if i do.

So the whole turbo thing does not bring anything on lower consumption in the real world certainly we the guys that are flooring it.

i dare to say in my hands a turbo drinks as much as a high rev ///M engine.

only difference is turbo power i will always use low down turbo power in daily driving and highrev power i will only use when going for it. So in the real world things are different.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

We driving enthusiasts buy fun cars. i don t give a s h i t about consumption. I buy a toyota aygo if i do.

So the whole turbo thing does not bring anything on lower consumption in the real world certainly we the guys that are flooring it.

i dare to say in my hands a turbo drinks as much as a high rev ///M engine.

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree.

Fuel is such a negligable expense in expensive cars. Insurance, maintenance, tyres etc have far more of an impact.

What's more, these new engines are good at giving good fuel economy figures under test conditions. In the real world you will get nowhere near the consumption claims. For the last week I've been driving around in a new E200 CGI (1.8 litre turbo) with the blue efficiency badge (hire car, but why anybody would spec a car like this with anything other than a diesel engine is beyond me). The consumption has been quite shocking. Under the same conditions, my Porsche would have performed with better fuel economy, and my M3 wouldn't have been far behind. For example, typical motorway speeds over a period of 3 hours I got 28mpg indicated in the E Class. Same journey in my Boxster S? 29mpg. My M3 would have done it with about 23mpg. Remember, the E200 CGI is lighter than the M3 and has only 184bhp and is supposed to have the latest fuel saving technology. The M3 is a 414bhp 4.0 litre V8 monster.

Utter madness.

 

[Mr Robert]

So, Scott, did you go to Mongolia for that barbeque?

 

[martinbo]

Use the boost - pay at the pumps. This is the universal truth for any turbo'd car.

The manufacturers can state all the light throttle load fuel consumption figures they want - but it's a con. Turbocharged cars on boost, full throttle, simply chow down the combustible liquid. So the fuel economy benefits to the consumer in the real world are quite different from the benefits gained by the manufacturers in (falsely) meeting emissions and consumption regulations.

 

[Mr Robert]

Use the boost - pay at the pumps. This is the universal truth for any turbo'd car.

The manufacturers can state all the light throttle load fuel consumption figures they want - but it's a con. Turbocharged cars on boost, full throttle, simply chow down the combustible liquid. So the fuel economy benefits to the consumer in the real world are quite different from the benefits gained by the manufacturers in (falsely) meeting emissions and consumption regulations.

Thanks for bringing this up. Everyone who have used a turboed car knows this is a fact.

Furhtermore, the way consumption is measured in the EC cycle, automatic gearboxes (of course including all DSG-style gearboxes) are given a big advantage as they are free to change gears to the optimum one througout the cycle, whereas manual boxes are stuck in a given gear, even if it is clearly not the best gear for a given speed.

 

[AdvEvo]

martin nice write up.

So turbo cars are only made because they can pass the emission test better. That s so utterly nonsonse which empty heads have develop that tests. There is just no one in the real world who buys a turbo car is not using his turbo. Maybe a few green salad heads but they drive a 0.9 turbo in a sardine can and give throttle with sandels.

Then bring us a high rev engine which you can drive on 2 cilinders start stop systeem etc. Put in a self learn ecu which detect what kind of driver is using the car and de ecu adjusts. Or some kind of remap.

 

[Cashmere]

So what was the purpose of this thread again?

 

[jack]

So what was the purpose of this thread again?

scotts BBQ recipes, i guess

 

[Matt]

wow. thx scott...