BMW M Division boss: No M7 in the works

[Zafiro]

I would rather have a M7 than those M suvs

and I rather have a M3 CSL and M-version of 1-series than M7 or any SUV.

 

[klier]

^ There will be an M version of the next gen 1er, for sure. That M boss pretty much said so in the same interview (I read it in Dutch)

 

[SCOTT27]

There is no need for an M7 because simply the B7 is the ultimate choice for a performance 7er. Again the Tri-Turbo Diesel and V12 are sufficient enough for the BMW brand.

Although Alpina are working on the new V12 for a future B7S.

And in the end it does not cloud the issue with the fact that the BMW top end performance sedan is the BMW M5 and so that tradition will continue with each segment busting generation.

Although it is not confirmed but I think it is probable that the SuperSports 1er will probably be badged as M. The M3 GT4 would probably be a modern CSL also BMW are looking at something regarding the M3 GTR.
There will be a run-out version of the current 1er Coupe closer to it's 2012 replacement , design studies at full size show a Bentley SuperSports style Brake intakes with a central sculpted upturned intake similar to the M3.

The M5 has something similar on each edge of the front bumper with a larger central intake in the shape of the current car but the aerodynamic package is far from finished.

 

[Zafiro]

Since BMW are abandon N/A engines they should make one grand finale N/A engine. M3 lightweight and redline to around 9200 rpm and 480 hp. A way to say goodbye to those classic engines, a goodbye to an epic era. Do it BMW, many enthusiasts would be extremely happy.

 

[Mr Robert]

Good news - no M7 in the near future.

 

[HighestOfHigh]

LOL ... I know HOH maybe you didn't mean it .. but that sounds funny ..

Lol I meant like the Lexus IS-F cars. BMW could sell their M Divison to Lexus and that could help Lexus produce more F cars like the IS-F or even the LS-F.

 

[Mr Robert]

The soul is already sold, why not dispose of the rest?

 

[HighestOfHigh]

The soul is already sold, why not dispose of the rest?

Lol...Who sold their soul?

I was just suggesting that BMW should sale their M division to Lexus since they are using Alphina now.

 

[Zafiro]

Lol...Who sold their soul?

I was just suggesting that BMW should sale their M division to Lexus since they are using Alphina now.

M and Alpina are different. Alpina isnt sporty as a M. They are more focused on relaxed driving and priority are more foused on comfort than sport.
BMW do not own Alpina although Alpina get their hands on a new bmw before other tuners, you can also buy a Alpina through your BMW dealer and you can leave your car to BMW workshop but again BMW do not own Alpina. and you suggest BMW to sell M is just plain ****censur**** ***censur*** retarded. M is a part of BMW and goes long way back. BMW sell a lot lot lot more M models than Alpina ever will, what you are talking about is suicide for BMW.

 

[HighestOfHigh]

M and Alpina are different. Alpina isnt sporty as a M. They are more focused on relaxed driving and priority are more foused on comfort than sport.
BMW do not own Alpina although Alpina get their hands on a new bmw before other tuners, you can also buy a Alpina through your BMW dealer and you can leave your car to BMW workshop but again BMW do not own Alpina. and you suggest BMW to sell M is just plain ****censur**** ***censur*** retarded. M is a part of BMW and goes long way back. BMW sell a lot lot lot more M models than Alpina ever will, what you are talking about is suicide for BMW.

Ok so why does BMW want Alphina to serve the purpose of a tuned 7 series. It doesn't make sense. You don't see Mercedes-benz saying "Oh Brabus has a version of the S-class so we don't need to make one". If they want to leave things up to Alphina then what is the need for M?

Benz has dealings with HWA and Brabus gets their product sometimes, but if Mercedes-Benz wants a car tuned then they go to AMG only. The one time they did go to someone else (McLaren SLR) everyone wanted to jump on them including some folks on this forum.

Really why do a M3 and M5 and let Alphina do the rest? Simply doesn't make sense. Even your disapproval of BMW M is shown in your signature. Not to mention the other BMW fans saying M isn't what it use to be because they started M'ing the X5 and X6. So if that is the case, why not sell the M division to Lexus?

Or maybe Lexus should by Alphina so BMW M doesn't have the excuse of why they shouldn't build a M7....

Either way it doesn't matter. BMW will do what they want. I just find it ridiculous to build 2 SUV M's that are heavy and they go back to using that weight philosophy again when it comes to the M7. It makes no sense.

On the other hand I don't even know why I'm worried about it since I already since my brand of choice MB has what I want. Lol

I guess am just in the mood to type. Or Maybe I was just hoping for a S65 competitor.

 

[Zafiro]

I told you this before. A AMG based on S-class is a lot more prestige and a better image than a M version of 7er. Rich people rather put their money on a S-class than 7er , BMW dont have the same type of customers.
A M7 would not sell very well, then MB have to sell AMG to Lexus so S-class wouldnt be a threat to a M7.

Regarding Brabus, can you go to you Benz dealer and order a Brabus from Mercedes? I doubt it, BMw and Alpina are much closer than MB is to Brabus. In fact Alpina and BMW have built racingcars together in the past so they have a old history.

 

[HighestOfHigh]

A M7 would not sell very well, then MB have to sell AMG to Lexus so S-class wouldnt be a threat to a M7.

Well Benz actually uses AMG....actually for almost every model so it's no need for them to sell AMG. Now when they start using Brabus for tuned versions then maybe they should.

In fact Alpina and BMW have built racingcars together in the past so they have a old history.

In that case it would make better sense for them to buy out Alpina. But like I said before it's their decision. I do believe BMW is wrong in their philosophy, but that's just me. Good news is the S65 AMG keeps it crown and puts Benz one step ahead so I'm cool with it.

 

[SCOTT27]

BMW think of Alpina as a "gentlemans" enthusiast tuner, And they are far removed from the image of AMG and Brabus the like, Alpina only add subtle aerodynamic enhancement to a conventional BMW and do not go over the top in some cases. They also work wonders in the engine department too.

The special agreement is strong with BMW because both Alpina and BMW are working together on forthcoming powerplants using Alpina's turbo know-how as well as it's own.

Again the reason why BMW do not want an M7. The BMW M5.
When people think of the ultimate enthusiasts performance sedan they immediately think of the BMW M5 although that puts the M5 as purely commerical rather than an underground image. Each generation has the power and driving dynamics to surpass everything that comes before it.

Just as they did in 85 , 88 , 94 , 98 , 2004 and of course 2011.

 

[Mr Robert]

Just as they did in 85 , 88 , 94 , 98 , 2004 and of course 2011.

...and in 79 if my memory serves me... even if it was "only" branded M535

 

[Beemer B773ER]

Again the reason why BMW do not want an M7. The BMW M5.
When people think of the ultimate enthusiasts performance sedan they immediately think of the BMW M5...

As much as I'm not whinging about the non-existance of an F01 M7, I think your reasoning of the M5 being BMW's ultimate performance sedan is a scapegoat excuse.
We understand that BMW and Alpina have a close relationship and therefore a gentlemen's agreement to not produce an M7.

I don't think anyone would be expecting an M7 to outclass the M5 as the ultimate BMW performance sedan just because the number 7 is bigger than the number 5. Everyone knows the M5's reputation, and a potential M7 would not threaten the M5 in anyway...so I don't think the reason why there won't be an M7 has anything to do with the M5.

Developing a specialised engine for the M7 might not be wise in terms of ROI because it can't really be shared with another M model (now that there won't be an new 8er or Z8)...and sales may not be high enough (though the profit margin on each car would be healthy)....so even if there wasn't a conflict of interest with the Alpina B7, a potential M7 might not be viable in the current climate. I'd also use the reasoning that M don't want to create a vanity model that goes against M-philosophy, but the X5 & X6 M kinda put a cork in that bottle.

Ahhh heck! It's all coz of the Alpina B7. Simple as that!

 

[klier]

The soul is already sold, why not dispose of the rest?

OMG

 

[Betty Swollocks]

^ There will be an M version of the next gen 1er, for sure. That M boss pretty much said so in the same interview (I read it in Dutch)

An M boss only a few years ago said there WOULDN'T be an M SUV. Now there are two. So keep an open mind.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Why couldn't BMW leave Alpina to tweak the X5/X6 instead of handing it over to M?

 

[Beemer B773ER]

Why couldn't BMW leave Alpina to tweak the X5/X6 instead of handing it over to M?

My guess would be:

a) A greater return on investment because the X5M and X6M share the same engine and most other performance enhancing parts/technologies.

b) For some reason, there is a large enough market out there for performance SUV/4WDs (the Cayenne's pretty much run the show for a good few years now)

c) There's not much history when it comes to Alpina and SUVs/4WDs unlike the Alpina B7 (7er) which has had a number of generations already created.

d) Green light was given to the X5M and X6M projects prior to the economic downturn reaching its most severe stage.

e) What else would the M-division be working on if the X5/X6M weren't going to exist? The M3 was done, the new M5 is still a little ways off, an M version of the Z4 is looking more unlikely, and the CS Concept/8er and future Z8 were also cancelled.

That's just my take on it.

 

[Mr Robert]

OMG