Poll BMW F90 M5 vs. Mercedes-Benz W213 E63s

[Rolf]

I have never seen any reviews or tests from any mags on the basic E63, or seen any in real life, I have only seen the E63 S in the Middle East or in South Africa. I think most people who can afford this car wont buy the regular version but rather opt for the E63 S.

Nevertheless in terms of performance the basic E63 is still damn quick, its claimed to be only 0.1sec slower from 0-100 km/h than both the E63 S and M5 at 3.5sec.

I would certainly not give my left nut or eyeball or kidneys for either of these cars, but if you said you will give me the keys for a 918 then I would give my left small toe.

 

[PanterroR]

You know, the funny thing is, when the new RS6 comes out, this thread will be completely forgotten as the Audi will destroy them both in every possible way.

 

[DjordjeC63]

^
If we consider this, not really...

Duel : Audi RS4 (B9) Avant vs BMW M3 (F80) DKG

 

[hovabongZA]

You know, the funny thing is, when the new RS6 comes out, this thread will be completely forgotten as the Audi will destroy them both in every possible way.

Problem with the Audi is that unlike the previous gens it won’t have the advantage of AWD this time around and I can bet right out that the M5 will have the advantage of being much lighter, but it will be an interesting duel.

 

[Frankie G]

TheM5 would also be just as interesting if it came as an entry level, lower powered model.

Something akin to a chipped M550i...say by AC Schnitzer? But I get you, a product straight out of the box (factory)

You know, the funny thing is, when the new RS6 comes out, this thread will be completely forgotten as the Audi will destroy them both in every possible way.

I'm not sure if you're being serious or doing a Klier?

As it is, even with a proposed 700 hp in full hybrid guise I don't expect the next gen RS6/7 to be as 'engaging' to drive as either the M5 or E63 S. Very competent Bahn stormers they will be, as they always have been but nothing new in the way of tactility. And let's not forget the switchable RWD party trick Quattro will likely shun

 

[nikola1984]

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[GTA45E]

I would take the E63s over the BMW M5 Competition pack, thank you.
I knew the Merc would pull away from M5 CP on the rolling race.

 

[LaArtist]

Lol that is nothing, .1 of a second. now you can clearly see the BMW got of the line better, there was some wheelspin for the AMG. there is nothing between them, and rolling race it smokes the M5 due to the torque.

The E class facelift is around the corner, so yeah this ain't over yet.

Listening to the BMW fans and the talk about competition package had me thinking it was brutally quicker.
This ain't shit.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Lol that is nothing, .1 of a second. now you can clearly see the BMW got of the line better, there was some wheelspin for the AMG. there is nothing between them, and rolling race it smokes the M5 due to the torque.

The E class facelift is around the corner, so yeah this ain't over yet.

Listening to the BMW fans and the talk about competition package h...

I think that the competition pack is mostly a marketing attempt this time, because it was simultaneously developed with the standard version. Previously, the competition pack was released two or three years after the standard version, having enough time to receive a real improvement over the standard one, based on the years of experience and the jump in the technology during this period.

 

[manuelf]

Lol that is nothing, .1 of a second. now you can clearly see the BMW got of the line better, there was some wheelspin for the AMG. there is nothing between them, and rolling race it smokes the M5 due to the torque.

Oh my goodness... when does this fanboy talk end?
In the standing start it was "nothing" according to you ... (and I fully agree! A tenth of a second is neglectable)
But the tenth or max two tenth (if you look at the video carefully the gap remains stable for almost the entire run) in rolling start now - according to you - means the AMG smokes the M5?
Oh boy. According to your unbiased logic I now had to concede, that AMG obviously has the crappiest brakes on earth.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

I always have to smile quietly to myself because it's always E63S vs M5. Not E63 straight but always the S variant.

On paper, the closer of the two models to the standard M5 IS the E 63 S. Looking at German prices (I know, each country is different but this seems the logical comparison), the S version is within €3,000 of the M5, and closer on power than the non-S E 63. Both companies have two versions of their flagship performance saloon (not including the E 53 or M550i here). The difference is, one manufacturer has decided to place THEIR models at 95% and 100%, and the other has chosen to place THEIR models at 100% and 105%.

Put it this way. If MB dropped the non-S version, would people be arguing that the S version isn't a close rival to the standard M5?

What I don't understand is that the M5 and M5 Competition are seen as congruous, yet and E 63 and E 63 S aren't.

 

[martinbo]

On paper, the closer of the two models to the standard M5 IS the E 63 S. Looking at German prices (I know, each country is different but this seems the logical comparison), the S version is within €3,000 of the M5, and closer on power than the non-S E 63. Both companies have two versions of their flagship performance saloon (not includ...

And, despite all of this, I still smile.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

And, despite all of this, I still smile.

Not sure what you mean.

The point I'm making is that it's a constant theme from many people that it's the standard E 63 that should be compared with the standard M5, yet if MB dropped the 571hp version and removed the S from the 612hp version, nobody would question it. I don't see why the presence of a "non-S" E 63 makes any difference when the closest on paper to the M5 is the S version.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

I don't get it why the non competition version should have less power (the same for the E class). It is supposed the competition to be more track focused, so a stiffer suspension is a must, but why use less power in the standard version then what the engine is capable of?

 

[GTA45E]

^ It is more than just less power. This is why I stated the E63 is really the step-down version from the S-model and should be remarketed as E60. This would end the confusion.
The E63 is missing a number of key features that would make it a competitor to the standard M5.

Equipment and features E63 vs. E63s

1. Top Speed: 155mph/186mph
2. Drift-Mode: not standard/ Standard
3. Mechanical Rear Diff/ Electronic Rear Diff
4. Dynamic engine mounts- standard on E63s
5. E63- 563hp-553lb-ft/ E63s 612hp-629lbft

As I stated above, the M5 and E63s are direct competitors. Both are equally equipped.
A lot of members are treating the E63s as a special power-boosted track version to the standard M5. This is simply not the case.

 

[Matski]

I think anyone that sees at the Competition or the S as anything other than a mechanism to squeeze a few more upsold €uros out of the consumer is being naive.

 

[Rolf]

Lol that is nothing, .1 of a second. now you can clearly see the BMW got of the line better, there was some wheelspin for the AMG. there is nothing between them, and rolling race it smokes the M5 due to the torque.

The E class facelift is around the corner, so yeah this ain't over yet.

Listening to the BMW fans and the talk about competition package h...

There was just 1 car gap at the end of the 1/4mile dash, which is nothing really. It all depends on the initial pull away, in this race the M5 got the lead in the beginning, but the difference is not as big as some BMW fans have thought. I think it would have been more fair to have made it a best of 3 race. The M5 Comp. doesn't seem any quicker than a regular M5.

 

[Zafiro]

MB needs to work on the suspension and not more power. Driving comfort used to be a AMG thing. E63 isnt exactly been praised about being the best allrounder.

The power these cars have can never be used to 100% on public roads so power is a small thing when it comes down to these kind of cars. You dont buy a E63 because maybe one day you will race a M5. The chance for that to happen is very unlikely.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

MB needs to work on the suspension and not more power. Driving comfort used to be a AMG thing. E63 isnt exactly been praised about being the best allrounder.

The power these cars have can never be used to 100% on public roads so power is a small thing when it comes down to these kind of cars. You dont buy a E63 because maybe one day you will race a M5. T...

The only area where the BMW is really better is the weight. Decreasing it with about 150 kg would make the E63 improve in every dynamic discipline. In all the extensive track test the M5 was declared to have much more durable brakes with constant performance, while the E63 was experiencing fading after some heavy laps.

 

[klier]

You don't find the M5 looking too much like a 520d M-Sport?

Only the M550i looks the most aggressive and distinguishable in the G30 line up.

You're trying too hard

This is what makes the E63 more distinctive, it actually has more character than the plane toast M5 imo.

And I bet you haven't even seen an M5 irl