Vs Audi S3 vs BMW M135i

[Deckhook]

Surprisingly or not - the F20/F21 has been a hit, and people seem to like it for one or another reason. And obviously its look isn't such a problem at all. At least not a deal breaker. Right now about 180,000 people (and counting) have decided for F20/f21 already. Despite the (IMO too steep) steep price, which IMO will have to be corrected (eg. more standard equipment for the same price - to give it more value more money) now when the direct rivals are available in new editions. And certainly some quality issues will have to be addressed ASAP (the rust on seat frames, too plastic & rustic interior materials in the cabin etc).

If anything is holding back F20/F21 (even greater) sales is the price, and some quality issues, and some hindered functionality. Not the look.

It's interesting ... it seems generally women do show more love & sympathy towards F20/F21, while men have more second thoughts.

Well the looks aren't radically different from the model it replaced so if you bought it then chances are you'll buy it's replacement. I'm of the opinion that fewer people will switch from another brand to the F20/21 because of it's looks.

 

[martinbo]

Of course, some will change to the F20/F21 for the way it drives and many more will change to the F20/F21 simply because it's a BMW. I'm seeing a surprising number of them on SA roads.

 

[Zafiro]

Of course, some will change to the F20/F21 for the way it drives and many more will change to the F20/F21 simply because it's a BMW. I'm seeing a surprising number of them on SA roads.

...or they buy one beacause its actually a good car.

 

[martinbo]

And a BMW isn't a good car?

 

[klier]

If anything is holding back F20/F21 (even greater) sales is the price, and some quality issues, and some hindered functionality. Not the look.

This has been talked about before, and you still keep making bold assumptions that can in no way, ever, be checked.
Maybe the car would have sold twice as much if it wasn't so ugly. There is no possible way to tell. Period.

And you nerd rage every time some one even remotely says anything bad about Audis.... so? Your mood swings have little bearing on anything.

Hahaha. That obviously counts for Tumbo too....even more probably...

 

[Soup]

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[mini_cooper4]

Looking nice with M Performance door sills ...

I prefer rust ones

 

[klier]

Hahaha, it took some time, but the 1er has finally taken the lead here in this poll

 

[Deckhook]

^You can finally sleep easy to night. LOL

 

[mini_cooper4]

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The crappy handler just got killed by the cheap Bimmer... on the road... on track... even in the drag race
As I said few months ago that the M135i is the bargain of the year... now I'm hearing it from Chris Harris too!
Best confirmation of all!
Audi should be ashamed! Do a proper RS car finally!
Imagine M3 getting beaten by a stock S4... it's the same but yes you can't even imagine it

PS: That Bimmer will even shave some weight through the years with it's Rust-Package on

 

[Sunny]

Audi should be ashamed! Do a proper RS car finally!
Imagine M3 getting beaten by a stock S4... it's the same but yes you can't even imagine it

Well, to be fair it is sort of like comparing B8 S4 to the previous M3 - E46 M3 which it is probably faster than, though I doubt it is more fun. But then again really not - B8 S4 was not 10k cheaper than E46 M3 (it is actually more expensive here), and by the time B8 S4 came around, there was already E9x M3 available for few years.

 

[mini_cooper4]

Well, to be fair it is sort of like comparing B8 S4 to the previous M3 - E46 M3 which it is probably faster than, thought I doubt it is more fun. But then again really not - B8 S4 was not 10k cheaper than E46 M3 (it is actually more expensive here), and by the time B8 S4 came around, there was already E9x M3 available for few years.

It's totally different We are talking about cars that are/were produced during the same period...
You can even take the e30 M3 and compare it to the B8 S4 but that's not the case in here, to be fair

 

[Deleted member 25]

That was proper demolishing.

 

[Deckhook]

The RS3 could never been the sharpest tool in the box it's chassis is as old as time itself but there's no denying the M135i is not only the superior performer it's also the performance bargain of the year. Will be interesting to see just how close the new S3 gets.

 

[Zafiro]

Intresting how the M135i have turned the Rs3 into an aged car. But previous A3 was never a drivers car and fun car to drive so the result is expectable. What a wonderful engine sound the M135i make, add a mechanical diff and from a driving point of view it would be perfect. I really hope they make M version of this. Now I really looking forward for a M135i vs S3 comparison because this time the new generation A3 is a much better driving car, just a shame the seat position is stupidly high.

 

[mini_cooper4]

The RS3 could never been the sharpest tool in the box it's chassis is as old as time itself but there's no denying the M135i is not only the superior performer it's also the performance bargain of the year. Will be interesting to see just how close the new S3 gets.

As old as the 1M's platform yet... the 1M is considered one of the best M cars ever produced

 

[Deckhook]

As old as the 1M's platform yet... the 1M is considered one of the best M cars ever produced

Here's hoping the MQB chassis is much more capable.

 

[mini_cooper4]

Here's hoping the MQB chassis is much more capable.

Hope so too

 

[ACE]

Well, to be fair it is sort of like comparing B8 S4 to the previous M3 - E46 M3 which it is probably faster than, though I doubt it is more fun. But then again really not - B8 S4 was not 10k cheaper than E46 M3 (it is actually more expensive here), and by the time B8 S4 came around, there was already E9x M3 available for few years.

My B8 S4 cost £8k less than my E46 M3, even though it was bought years later. The B8 S4 is slightly faster even though it's quite a lot bigger/heavier, but the B8 S4 was designed many after the E46 M3.

I have been saying all along that the M135i will easily outperform the 2013 S3 and the Chris Harris video makes me even more confident of that. The Chris Harris video was highly predictable though:
The RS3 was faster around a track but understeered horribly at the limit.
The RS3 was faster off the mark (due to AWD) and slower over 100mph (due to AWD).
The newer M135i was much more fuel efficient than the RS3.
Chris Harris preferred the M135i as a driver's car and praised it for it's performance / cost ratio, but he didn't praise its looks.

 

[klier]

^ nor did he praise the RR3 looks. Chris Harris doesn't talk about meaningless subjective crap much, you should know this by now....

My B8 S4 cost £8k less than my E46 M3, even though it was bought years later. The B8 S4 is slightly faster even though it's quite a lot bigger/heavier, but the B8 S4 was designed many after the E46 M3.

And still it sucks compared to an M3. Poor Audi...