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Roberto said:
I think the new design direction at MB was a direct response to the market demanding more dynamic and interesting designs. I'm sure MB have also been looking enviously at BMW doing extremely well with their daring designs; so although, still more conservative than BMW, I don't think it is fair to say that Mercedes-Benz's designs are not distinctive.

It would also be worth nothing that the market for Mercedes-Benz has changed markedly over the last 10-15 years;they have gone from being a brand associated with conservative, middle-aged, men in business suits, to having a very youthful and dynamic image. Mercedes was always a brand of the "establishment" but it has transformed itself into a brand that appeals to a much broader market these days.
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Very true Roberto. And this is somthing that HAD to happen for the brand to grow. MB right now is at a major crossroads between the old and new. So far things are looking goood. While they may end up alienating some of the older more conservative MB fans and buyers, they'll no doubt garner a whole new youth market that can grow up with the brand. BMW is a perfect example of this.

Watch all the BMW fans pounce at this thread LOL. BMW aint so perfect either Some BMW's are stunning...and some are absolutley hideous.
 
warot said:

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Nein danke :eusa_doh:
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That top picture isnt even a real MB. Its a chop.

Just wait till BMW moves into the R-class category. The car underneath will most probably be much better, since they would have had 3+ years to improve upon the R-Class, but it just goes to show, for the most part, MB has its hands on the pulse when it comes to niches and new segments. I imgagine many BMW fans will scream foul when they finally rock up to the party.
 
Mr. Mercedes said:
Very true Roberto. And this is somthing that HAD to happen for the brand to grow. MB right now is at a major crossroads between the old and new. So far things are looking goood. While they may end up alienating some of the older more conservative MB fans and buyers, they'll no doubt garner a whole new youth market that can grow up with the brand. BMW is a perfect example of this.

Watch all the BMW fans pounce at this thread LOL. BMW aint so perfect either Some BMW's are stunning...and some are absolutley hideous.
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Well if you have a mind of your own and aren't a tool, then you'd realize that not all car companies are perfect. Benz don't make all good looking cars and neither does BMW or Audi... so what you know?

I hate the R and B class... and I know that BMW are going to go into that category as well but I pray that they just do something different. I don't want any BMWs to turn out like the A, B and R class... confused and doesn't really fit the brand I think.

Bmw rolling to the party late... where was Mb when X3 came out? they are late in that party too. But please, realize that I have immense respect for Audi, BMW and Benz.

P.S. Sorry I didn't make it clear... but those 2 pics I post up... I meant I just don't like the direction, that's all.
 
Warot, I am in no way implying Benz is perfect. Obviously its the most troubled one of the 3 prestige Germans, at this point in time. I've aknowledged on many occaisions, Benz is not what it once was, and the company has a lot of work to do.

They have consistently found niches and new segments quicker than the competition, but you are right, the X3 category was a majort oversight.

It's obvious in this thread the BMW fans were out on the attack, so I was just trying to provide a bit of benz perspective, thats all. :) I like all of the german brands for different reasons.
 
The Artist said:
LOL warot why are you showing us pics of PS´ed cars and concepts to prove that they are ugly??

PS
My suggestion is that we should just jump over this discussion.. cause lord know i can pull out around 100 000 pictures of bimmers from very un flattering angles.. so lets just leave it at this:
Some love em some dont..
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Every angle of a mercedes is unflattering. Especially the ones under the hood!!! ;)

If any of you think the CLS is a good looking car, shoot yourself now and save me the trouble. What shrooming, cracking, potting man put that bohemoth together. (I absolutely love the CLS 55). Im sorry but if Jeremy Clarkson liked the looks of it you know its ugly (hell he doesnt even brush his teeth or take showers). LETS start the fight!

Some of the opinions in here are very opinionated and we cannot be held liable for the opinionated statements of the opinionated statement above
 
Just_me said:
Mr Mercedes, I think its time for you to admit that as a company BMW are doing well, instead of talking about us BMW fans ;)

and if you have some time left over then go read this
http://germancarforum.com/showthread.php?t=494
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I undoubtedly admit it. BMW right now is the star of the Germans. But that is not to say the situation at Mercedes is completely hopeless. Give it time and Benz will be on the mend. This will be good news for all german car fans. More intense competition means better cars for all! :usa7uh:

I have nothing against BMW as a brand, only certain vehicles in the line up. Remember, I did convince my aunt to buy the new 3 ahead of the C and A4. ;)
 
LOL.. under the hood.. right.. dont talk engines with MB.. they make a better V12.. better diesels.. better V8´s.. atleast as good sixes.. and they even make 4´s wich are better.. they make hybrids better than bmw too..
So the only engine BMW makes better is the V10 but MB doesent have a V10..

Here are some BMW´s if you think they are beautiful shoot yourself:
6er
7er
X3
Z4
:)
 
The Artist said:
LOL.. under the hood.. right.. dont talk engines with MB.. they make a better V12.. better diesels.. better V8´s.. atleast as good sixes.. and they even make 4´s wich are better.. they make hybrids better than bmw too..
So the only engine BMW makes better is the V10 but MB doesent have a V10..

Here are some BMW´s if you think they are beautiful shoot yourself:
6er
7er
X3
Z4
:)
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LoL you are so MB baised :D too much boxing ;)
 
LOL.. yeah but im.. well okay the designes are personall.. but those engine things i said.. im not lying go and check for yourself..

PS
What abt them diesels?? they are better thats it..
Wich gun do you want the Eagle Or The Magnum.. haha
 
The Artist said:
LOL.. yeah but im.. well okay the designes are personall.. but those engine things i said.. im not lying go and check for yourself..
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MB build great engines so does BMW , saying MB build the greatest engines. I can only laugh :t-rot:
 
Now who told you they build the greatest engines.. actully some times they do.. bmw does to.. but all their engines are far from the greatest..
But still i stand by my point.. all those engines i said (except the V10) are better or atleast as good as their BMW counterpart...
 
The Artist said:
Now who told you they build the greatest engines.. actully some times they do.. bmw does to.. but all their engines are far from the greatest..
But still i stand by my point.. all those engines i said (except the V10) are better or atleast as good as their BMW counterpart...
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Ok I mean the word "better" than BMW :t-rot:
 
But they do man.. go and watch every damn engine BMW has to offer..there is one engine besides the V10 that gives more output in hp and torque than its MB competitor and thats the 3.5l Diesel from example 535d.. if you compare it to 320CDI its better.. but thats it..
 
Please remember MB use superchagers and bi-turbos for some of their engines!

Also power isn't everything!
 
The Artist said:
But they do man.. go and watch every damn engine BMW has to offer..there is one engine besides the V10 that gives more output in hp and torque than its MB competitor and thats the 3.5l Diesel from example 535d.. if you compare it to 320CDI its better.. but thats it..
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Lol, if you think HP decide who build the best engines then you are dead wrong.


:t-rot: Im still laughing since I came back from lunch.
 
The Artist said:
LOL.. under the hood.. right.. dont talk engines with MB.. they make a better V12.. better diesels.. better V8´s.. atleast as good sixes.. and they even make 4´s wich are better.. they make hybrids better than bmw too..
So the only engine BMW makes better is the V10 but MB doesent have a V10..
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Wow Artist, now you've done it, you went to Biased-BS-MB-Fairytopia.
Better read this:

- Straight-4
* 2001 - 1.8-2.0 L N42 (One International Engine of the Year award)

- Straight-6
* 1994 - 2.5-2.8 L M52 (Two International Engine of the Year awards)
* 2002 - 3.2 L S54 (Six International Engine of the Year awards)

- V8
* 1998 - 3.9 L M67 Diesel (Two International Engine of the Year awards)
* 2001 - 3.6-4.4 L N62 (Three International Engine of the Year awards)

- V10
* M5/M6 (Four International Engine of the Year awards)

- V12
* 1993 - 5.4 L M73 (One International Engine of the Year award)


Here are some BMW´s if you think they are beautiful shoot yourself:
6er
7er
X3
Z4
:)
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Well, shoot yourself if you think the W221 is beautifull, and let's see you, how happy you would be if the Zonda interior end up shamefully ripped off in a Ferrari.
 

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