Tonale Alfa Romeo Tonale

tristatez28lt1 · Feb 8, 2022

slicknick said:
Stellantis (FIAT+PSA) is an Italian/French joint venture

Correct. Then have an italian run it or at least get the guy to practice some basic italian.

Serpens · Feb 8, 2022

Oida said:
While dyed-in-the-wool, impervious Alfaisti may disagree, I remain to question whether there are any reasons (save the brand name) whatsoever to select the Tonale over myriad other segment offerings.

In the U.S., the sizing and power train options are favorable compared to the competition. I like it.

Deleted member 57437 · Feb 8, 2022

tristatez28lt1 said:
...at least get the guy to practice some basic italian.

I'll offer my tutorial services.

Lesson One: Repeat after me: "SHADDUPPAYOUFACE".

Always happy to help.

SCOTT27 · Feb 8, 2022

I would say that this design would look better on a far bigger vehicle. With a longer wheelbase you can really stretch the design.

Antti · Feb 8, 2022

I like the design language. If we could get a Giulia sports sedan with these headlights and rear lights, then that’d look cool. Maybe a facelift would suffice?

SCOTT27 · Feb 8, 2022

Antti said:
I like the design language. If we could get a Giulia sports sedan with these headlights and rear lights, then that’d look cool. Maybe a facelift would suffice?

I expect them on the Facelift Giulia and Stelvio. They say it introduces a new face for Alfa Romeo.

SCOTT27 · Feb 8, 2022

Centurion said:
Is the car based on the Fiat Tipo Cross:

We will probably be cursing this car in 20 years time. And celebrating the Punto reaching a millennium.

hoffmeister_fan · Feb 8, 2022

The taillights:

The headlights:

martinbo · Feb 8, 2022

Dated before it’s launched. Why even bother?

Serpens · Feb 8, 2022

martinbo said:
Dated before it’s launched. Why even bother?

Because it's not a full EV? There's still runway for ICE + hybrid. It won't have a long life though, but that's OK because this is largely a parts bin car with components found elsewhere in Stellantis. So it still fills a need in the subcompact SUV segment. Shouldn't be hard for them to pull a profit. So why not?

hoffmeister_fan · Feb 8, 2022

The entire exterior design lacks the curves and aggression of the Giulia and Stelvio. Alfas ought not to look this sterile.

dalab · Feb 9, 2022

Tonale down

dalab · Feb 9, 2022

It could have been presented 7 years ago and nothing happened, a currently invisible company like Alfa Romeo with almost no sales does this?
It is homogeneous and nothing more, zero creativity and less novelty, it does not impact anywhere or stand out from anything.
All the design keys are from a decade ago, the general shape is in my opinion of the Mito that was not even very successful, the wheels are practically the same, the three-dimensional grille was used by everyone and was abandoned years ago, the front lights of the Brera Without further ado, the widened organic rear flanks expired and as a whole it could be a Mazda seen in profile.
Alfa Romeo if it continues like this it will not go anywhere

Antti · Feb 9, 2022

dalab said:
It could have been presented 7 years ago and nothing happened, a currently invisible company like Alfa Romeo with almost no sales does this?
It is homogeneous and nothing more, zero creativity and less novelty, it does not impact anywhere or stand out from anything.
All the design keys are from a decade ago, the general shape is in my opinion of the Mito that was not even very successful, the wheels are practically the same, the three-dimensional grille was used by everyone and was abandoned years ago, the front lights of the Brera Without further ado, the widened organic rear flanks expired and as a whole it could be a Mazda seen in profile.
Alfa Romeo if it continues like this it will not go anywhere

The Tonale is clearly not the choice for a car enthusiast, but perhaps it could be a slightly more “adventurous” and “dynamic” alternative for someone otherwise considering a Peugeot, Opel, Kia, Hyundai, Nissan, Mazda or Ford? Alfa are committing a huge mistake if they try to pitch the Tonale against similar models from Audi, BMW and Mercedes. It won’t fly.

The wider problem I see with the Giulia and Stelvio is that they were pitched against the BMW and priced accordingly. That was never going to fly considering the poorer brand reputation and non-existent dealer support. They are good cars but should have been priced to be significantly cheaper than the equivalent BMW. Then people could have seen that they are getting a BMW for the price of a Peugeot and that would have been an appealing proposition. Currently I can get a well-specced w206 C Class for cheaper than an equivalent Giulia and that’s an equation that no customer will solve.

dalab · Feb 9, 2022

Antti said:
The Tonale is clearly not the choice for a car enthusiast, but perhaps it could be a slightly more “adventurous” and “dynamic” alternative for someone otherwise considering a Peugeot, Opel, Kia, Hyundai, Nissan, Mazda or Ford? Alfa are committing a huge mistake if they try to pitch the Tonale against similar models from Audi, BMW and Mercedes. It won’t fly.

The wider problem I see with the Giulia and Stelvio is that they were pitched against the BMW and priced accordingly. That was never going to fly considering the poorer brand reputation and non-existent dealer support. They are good cars but should have been priced to be significantly cheaper than the equivalent BMW. Then people could have seen that they are getting a BMW for the price of a Peugeot and that would have been an appealing proposition. Currently I can get a well-specced w206 C Class for cheaper than an equivalent Giulia and that’s an equation that no customer will solve.

Correct, at least it would be a strategy to follow.
With so much history in racing, design and lineage it is rare that they do not find a way to take advantage of their identity, but hey, sometimes that is the most difficult