2013 Mercedes-Benz SL: Spy Pics & Info


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Exactly, previously on this thread someone posted the date of 15 December as the revealing day of this car. That person also shows us his source which was an article not his only mouth. So, we want to see it on that day.That means it remained only 1 week.
 
How is it possible ? Every single person that I knew it said exactly the opposite thing, believe me, that rear will be really really awesome.

Well, now you know 2 people. I'm with Sunny on this. I'm seriously hoping that the cammo is hiding some amazing details, because otherwise this is looking like the same snoozefest that is the SLK, albeit a bit larger.
 
Motor Trend seems to have seen the new SL already and they agree that the rear end is boring while the front looks aggressive.

MotorTrend said:
As an amuse-bouche to the Los Angeles Auto Show, Mercedes-Benz proudly and confidently revealed its new 2013 SL to a group of 15 American journalists at the automaker's chic design center in sun-drenched Carlsbad, California. We were allowed to look and touch and sit in the new SL, but we weren't allowed to take pictures. You and the rest of the world will have to wait until January to see the new big Mercedes roadster at the Detroit auto show. This essay, then, is an attempt to explain what I saw behind closed doors near San Diego.
The SL has long been a standard-bearer for the Mercedes brand. Flashy, sexy, fast, safe, luxurious, and exclusive -- it's all of the brand values rolled into one, minus a back seat. Since the original 300 SL launched in 1954, and really since the R107 SL launched in 1971, the SL has represented all of Mercedes' best thinking crammed into one, four-wheeled place. Of course, the SLS AMG kinda monkey-wrenches the notion that the SL sits atop the brand, but no marketing strategy is perfect. Anyhow, the new SL (internally named R231) looks to be more of the same, and that same is good. It also looks -- to my eyes, at least -- like the most technically advanced chassis ever fitted to a production car.


Let's start with the body-in-white. Mercedes claims it is more than 20-percent stiffer than the chassis on the outgoing R230. Almost 90 percent of the chassis is made from aluminum -- 89 percent, to be exact. Because of rollover requirements, the A-pillars, the top of the windshield, the pop-up roll hoops, and part of the roof are high-strength steel. And there's a flap of magnesium covering the gas tank. Counting the magnesium, other metals make up 3 percent of the total structure. Using that much lightweight material on its own is impressive, though not exactly groundbreaking. What is new, and novel is the sheer amount of cast aluminum.
You have to see the size of some of these cast aluminum pieces to believe 'em. According to Mercedes, the firewall is largest piece of cast aluminum found on any production car. I believe it. More impressive to my admittedly non-engineering eyes are the two massive pieces that form the rear end. On the previous steel-chassis car, a similar structure required 18 components. On the new SL? Just three. Again, three. Obviously, the weight savings from such aluminum-intensive construction are big: When compared to the outgoing SL, we're 242 pounds less for the chassis and 308 pounds overall once the aluminum body panels are bolted on. Of course, that's for the SL with the V-6, a car we're not going to get (yet) in North America. The SL with the twin-turbo 4.7-liter V-8 will weigh 275 pounds less than the car it replaces.
" Almost 90 percent of the chassis is made from aluminum -- 89 percent, to be exact. "

The construction techniques are also pretty noteworthy, or at least, I took a lot of notes during the presentation. The various hunks of metal are joined to each other via folding, riveting, bonding, MIG welding, or (my favorite) friction stir welding. That latter technique is where you lay two pieces of metal next to or on top of each other and go at them with a tool spinning so fast it melts the alloy, joining the pieces together. Crazy cool stuff. Also nifty: Many of the cast pieces were welded to hydroformed extruded piecesPerhaps even better is that several of the cast pieces have ribbing for strength. To reiterate, the world's never seen a chassis like this.


What about engines? Well, MB is being fairly tight-lipped about what exactly will be powering the new SL. "We want to have something for you guys to write about in January," said Bernd Stegmann, the marketing director for the new SL. However, I've been perfecting a technique for getting information out of tight-lipped German PR folks. Say untrue things to them -- they can't take it. "So, you're doing a diesel SL, right?" I sprang the trap and in correcting me, he spilled the beans.


The 2013 SL will have a V-6 engine in the rest of the world and be known as the SL350. Here in the States there will only be the 4.7-liter twin-turbo V-8 version to be called the SL550, just like the last one. Though in Europe it's badged as the SL500. At first. However, as sure as you know the sun is rising, you know an AMG version is coming (and Mercedes semi-slyly left some AMG stamped body panels sitting in the corner). The SL63 AMG is going to have a version of AMG's hot M157 motor with two turbos, 5.5 liters of displacement, and tons of power. So much power, in fact, that the new SL63 would encroach on a new SL600. So, here's the big scoop. The next SL will almost certainly have only one V-12 power plant and that will most likely take the form of a gut-bustingly potent SL65.

Mercedes-Benz has seemingly gotten itself into the habit of releasing one new piece of technology with every car released. Recently, the SLK debuted the "Magic Roof" technology, the preposterously named but undeniably cool piece of glass that turns opaque at the touch of a button. The new SL can be had with a Magic Roof (doubly tricky because like the SLK, the SL has a folding metal hardtop), but it also gets some new tech of its own. Ready for this one? Magic Vision Control! Sounds good, right? What is this new piece of tech? Better windshield wipers.


That's right friends, Mercedes-Benz has built a better windshield wiper. Essentially, the blade has double rows of tiny holes that squirt water/fluid directly onto the windshield. And since the spritzers are on the blade, the fluid can only go where the blade goes. So, the windshield gets squirted while the blades are moving up, and then the mess is wiped up when the blades sweep down. Very cool, and from what they showed us, it works well. But... Magic Vision Control? Are they adults? I mean, imagine if the guy that invented windshield wipers had suggested they be called Magic Vision Controllers. Laughter is the only cure for marketing run amok like this. And Mercedes North American PR team assured me that the new, better wipers will not be called magic anything here in the U.S.


Another new piece of technology is the much more smartly named FrontBass. Basically, the engineers mounted the subwoofers in the firewall. They then use the (obviously) hollow footwell to resonate the bass frequencies. Mercedes claims this is uber-million times better than it was before, and we did get to sit inside a mule and have a straight-faced German guy say, "Are you ready to pump up the volume?" before he deafened us with some techno and the FrontBass system. Well, the stereo sounded very good to me. However, I think the biggest benefit is that the subwoofers get moved off the doors, thereby allowing more cubbyholes for stuff. When there's no back seat, extra storage space in a luxury in and of itself. And quite quickly, the new interior looks lovely.

And so we come to the big question, the reason you've read on so far: How does the 2013 Mercedes-Benz SL look? Not very good, I'm sad to report. Recently, I was at the reveal of the Cadillac Ciel concept, and even though we were outside, the collective gasping was more than just audible. When Mercedes peeled the cover back from the new SL, the room was utterly silent. Perhaps more telling, several of the Germans on hand had never seen the car in the flesh before. They didn't seem too impressed.


What's wrong with it? You get the sense that the accounting team said something to the effect of, "You only get 20 pieces of design flair; use them wisely." And somewhere around the A-pillar, they ran out. The result is that the front of the car looks nothing at all like the rear of the car. The nose is aggressive, gnarled, and angular. The rear end is soft and smooth-looking. Weirder still, a third motif shows up when the SL is viewed from the side. I walked up to a MB designer and said, "It looks like two different people designed it." He was very quiet for a moment before he said, "Three."
So there you have it. Because of its lightweight, incredibly stiff chassis, the new SL should be the best-driving Mercedes of them all. And because you'll be behind the wheel, you won't have to look at it.

Read more: 2013 Mercedes-Benz SL Tech Look - Motor Trend
 
Great article, but somehow I feel that they are exagerating. For me, in all those spy shots the rear look very very hot. How can they say that? It`s hard to believe that we all love the rear in the spy shots and we will not love the real deal rear end. Also, lots of us on this forum are worried about the front end and in this article reporters are tryin` to chill us saying that the front end is looking agressive and hot. I guess will never know nothing about this car in terms of design, we must comment I guess, only after seeing the first official photos. Also, in that article they are not mentioning the day of 15 December as a revealing day, they are saying that we will see this car in January at the Detroit. Really ?
 
The chassis at least sounds incredible. Being probably the worlds most advanced chassis, that alone justifies whatever exuberant price tag they put on this car, and then some. Also, VERY nice to hear that they won't use that STUPID "Magic Control" name nonsense in the U.S. Such a mockery and joke would be made out of what is usually an appropriately and expectedly serious and stern company.
 
For real?

Nah.

Must advance chassis? I don´t know. I think MB has been a bit lost in the last years. I´ve read a new chairman is about to come, and he´s someone younger, and wilder, who wants MB back in the top of the game. That´s what the company needs.
 
Most advanced chassis comes from K-A, so you might as well pay no attention ;)
 
The chassis at least sounds incredible. Being probably the worlds most advanced chassis, that alone justifies whatever exuberant price tag they put on this car, and then some.

Well..I don't know what is your definition of a vehicle chassis, whatever it is, I wouldn't say the SL is the most advanced in the world, and they certainly can't wack on an exuberant price tag because MB needs to create some space between the top range SL and the SLS convertible.
 
Most advanced chassis comes from K-A, so you might as well pay no attention ;)

Are you simply ignorant or hurt that someone doesn't lay that claim only for your blindingly beloved BMW?

Did you read the MT statement? Took those words directly from their mouths .... fingertips.
 
Nah.

Must advance chassis? I don´t know. I think MB has been a bit lost in the last years. I´ve read a new chairman is about to come, and he´s someone younger, and wilder, who wants MB back in the top of the game. That´s what the company needs.

What are you basing that on, out of curiosity? M-B's chassis' are some of the, if not the most impressive on the market, IMO. Keeping their comfort edge over the competition (most important trait for M-B to lay claim to, and most important in the Luxury Segment IMO), while reeling in BMW in the handling department, as BMW goes softer (F10, for example), creating extremely high strength chassis without sacrificing on weight as much as BMW. One area that M-B can be criticized is in keeping the Design Team in line with consistency and not letting their ambitions get ahead of them.

And here's the comment from MT. Of course, Klier's never seen the body in white like this Editor, so maybe we'll take Kliers word for it, instead?

"It also looks -- to my eyes, at least -- like the most technically advanced chassis ever fitted to a production car.


Let's start with the body-in-white. Mercedes claims it is more than 20-percent stiffer than the chassis on the outgoing R230. Almost 90 percent of the chassis is made from aluminum -- 89 percent, to be exact. Because of rollover requirements, the A-pillars, the top of the windshield, the pop-up roll hoops, and part of the roof are high-strength steel. And there's a flap of magnesium covering the gas tank. Counting the magnesium, other metals make up 3 percent of the total structure. Using that much lightweight material on its own is impressive, though not exactly groundbreaking. What is new, and novel is the sheer amount of cast aluminum.
You have to see the size of some of these cast aluminum pieces to believe 'em. According to Mercedes, the firewall is largest piece of cast aluminum found on any production car. I believe it. More impressive to my admittedly non-engineering eyes are the two massive pieces that form the rear end. On the previous steel-chassis car, a similar structure required 18 components. On the new SL? Just three. Again, three. Obviously, the weight savings from such aluminum-intensive construction are big: When compared to the outgoing SL, we're 242 pounds less for the chassis and 308 pounds overall once the aluminum body panels are bolted on. Of course, that's for the SL with the V-6, a car we're not going to get (yet) in North America. The SL with the twin-turbo 4.7-liter V-8 will weigh 275 pounds less than the car it replaces.
" Almost 90 percent of the chassis is made from aluminum -- 89 percent, to be exact. "

The construction techniques are also pretty noteworthy, or at least, I took a lot of notes during the presentation. The various hunks of metal are joined to each other via folding, riveting, bonding, MIG welding, or (my favorite) friction stir welding. That latter technique is where you lay two pieces of metal next to or on top of each other and go at them with a tool spinning so fast it melts the alloy, joining the pieces together. Crazy cool stuff. Also nifty: Many of the cast pieces were welded to hydroformed extruded piecesPerhaps even better is that several of the cast pieces have ribbing for strength. To reiterate, the world's never seen a chassis like this."
 
Friction welding was first used in the Mazda RX8 to weld the layers of the bonnet together, back in 2003. Nothing is really groundbreaking but MB did refine and improve on existing manufacturing methods. I wouldn't read much into someone who openly admit he has 'non engineering eyes'. The new SL is guaranteed to be substantially better than the previous generation because that was developed 10 years ago. The thing I am interested in are the differences in the construction methods between the chassis of the SL and SLS because both of them are predominately made from aluminium and they are designed at around the same period.
 
I'm just quoting what MT said, and I don't find M-B building the "worlds most advanced chassis" to be out of reach as I feel that they they already may do that (who really knows, and there are so many variables, but it certainly isn't far fetched in the least).

But I'm not laying my own "claim" that the SL will be the most advanced chassis. That still remains to be seen.
 
I'm just quoting what MT said, and I don't find M-B building the "worlds most advanced chassis" to be out of reach as I feel that they they already may do that (who really knows, and there are so many variables, but it certainly isn't far fetched in the least).

But I'm not laying my own "claim" that the SL will be the most advanced chassis. That still remains to be seen.

The world most advanced chassis right now for a volume production car is probably the Aventador with its full carbon fiber monocoque and aluminium space frame rear structure,it is always down to the development budget and the final price tag.
 
K-A, all I was saying is that I don´t know if MB has the most advanced chassis. And, if I say this is because there are some exotic brands that use to have some advanced weigh-saving techniques.
 
I am quite sure the new SL's aluminum monocoque is the most advanced to date. Just look at the size, quantity and quality of the custom cast aluminum strut towers, transmission tunnel, and the bulkhead. The ribbing on certain castings are quite exquisite. The trunk floor also looks very very yummy. It sure is made to be stiff and durable. Compare the SL's monocoque to that of the Aston Martin VH (DB9) and the Jaguar XK. It is night and day. Those two were mainly consist of fashioned long and flat aluminum sheets (except for the strut towers) and extruded parts. Also those two are mainly riveted. whereas the SL is mostly welded. welding aluminum is an expensive undertaking and a mass production headache to say the least. Friction stir welding is great for even surfaces and aluminum as the temperture can be controlled more precisely. The SLS's monocoque was manufactured by Magna. I think Magna is manufacturing the SL monocoque also.
 
R231 monocoque is manufactured in Bremen. However, final assembly may change to Sindelfingen along the S/CL by 2014. ;)


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Aluminium bodyshell in the new Mercedes-Benz SL: Under the bottom line: 140 kilos lighter

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At the Bremen production facilities the parts are assembled using diverse load-adequate joining methods, some of which are innovative processes. Secure joints are ensured for example, by MIG welding, hemming, bonding, self-piercing rivets, flow hole bolting, or friction stir welding – a joining method by which a highly resistant weld seam is produced by means of friction heat; a method particularly well-suited for aluminium on account of its low melting point.

Particular highlights of the bodyshell:

- The Front Wall is at present the largest aluminium cast component made in large series for vehicle bodywork

- Many sheet metal parts are designed in such a way that for the first time they can be made from 100 percent recycled aluminium, saving 80 percent of the energy used in their production.

- The main floorpan is a 3-layer shaped panel made from thin, extrusion-moulded hollow sections, welded together by friction stir welding.

- The longitudinal members in the vehicle front end are made using high-pressure hydroforming (IHU) technology, which enables the creation of highly complex and robust components, permitting optimum use of reduced installation spaces.

- The door sills (longitudinal members) consist of 1.7-metre long, 7-chamber extrusion-moulded aluminium sections; these provide rigidity in the lateral sectors and safety in the event of a collision. Flexible chamber distribution makes possible a minimum component weight coupled with optimum characteristics.

- The tunnel is made of aluminium sheet metal with a reinforcement of varying thickness (3 different thicknesses depending on sector, a so-called tailored welded blank TWB).

- The rear sector floor is a MIG welded frame with a hollow chilled cast longitudinal member as its central element. This technique is employed in the SL for the very first time in automotive bodyshell construction.

- The rear sector floor frame structure is closed by floor sheet metal panels and the boot tub made by vacuum die-casting.

- The boot recess is made from recycled sheet metal.

- The central member connects the front end with the rear sector floor. The mounting points for the drive shaft, the transmission cross beam, the transmission tunnel braces and the seat bolting points on the tunnel side are all integrated into a single element. The wall thicknesses and rib distribution are oriented bionically towards the requirements and loads.

- Many other components were optimised bionically, i.e. based on examples from nature. These structures reduce the vehicle weight compared to a classic design even further.

- The sum total of all the design measures leads to a lightweight, torsionally and flexurally rigid bodyshell with an optimum rigidity/weight ratio. It was possible to increase the bodywork's torsional rigidity by more than 20 percent over the already highly rigid preceding series. This is confirmed by measurements of the new SL's torsional strength – at 19400 Nm per degree the roadster achieves an absolute top value (its predecessor already reached the astounding figure of 16400 Nm per degree).

Aluminium bodyshell in the new Mercedes-Benz SL: Under the bottom line: 140 kilos lighter | Daimler Global Media Site > Mercedes-Benz Cars > Mercedes-Benz P. Cars > Roadsters > New SL-Class

:t-cheers:
 
It may not be THE most advanced chassis out there, but for it's class (US$80-150), it's definitely ONE of the most advanced. I, too, would wager the LP-700's pretty well on top. As are the MP4-12C''s as well as the Veyron's, since it's pretty rock-solid at even top speed. I'm pretty sure my beloved LFA's in the top five.

Nah.

Must advance chassis? I don´t know. I think MB has been a bit lost in the last years. I´ve read a new chairman is about to come, and he´s someone younger, and wilder, who wants MB back in the top of the game. That´s what the company needs.

You mean Wolfgang Bernhard? Poor guy, I don't know how many times they are going to wave that carrot in front of his face until he finally gets it.
 
Should Dr. Wolfgang Bernard replace Dr. Zetsche as Daimler-Benz AG CEO, we can anticipate a new "dynamic" in Stuttgart/Untertürkheim. The controversial Dr. Bernard is a bonafide carguy as well as a an unrelenting manager with a keen grasp of economics. He is very polarizing and his "stepping on toes" has at times been to his detriment. But he will certainly "move" things in a way far different than Dr. Zetsche has so far. Not that Dr. Zetsche hasn't been an effective CEO. He most indeed has. But Daimler-Benz, in the face of ever increasing competition by its' main rivals BMW and the premium brands of the VW-Group, is in dire need of some serious revamping. Dr. Zetsche has repeatedly stated that it was his mission to position Mercedes-Benz as the Number One premium offering. That aspiration appears to look rather dodgey in view of the companys' current offerings. In order to return M-B to the pinnacle, more has to be brought to the table than being content with being "just as good". A main area that needs to be addressed is the exterior design of its' automobiles. I believe that Dr. Bernard is well aware of this.
 
What has Bernard's position been at Daimler thus far, and how long has he been employed by them? Also, is that insider info or a hunch that Bernard isn't pleased with exterior design? Not being antagonistic btw, I'm genuinely curious.

Also, I had no idea that there was even a thought of Dr. Zetsche being replaced. Are you sure that Bernard would replace Zetsche, or would he become a member of the Board instead?
 
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