Vs Your Choice? Lexus LF-A vs Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG vs Ferrari 458 Italia vs Audi R8 V10

[bbp1aya]

Thats nice, but not true at all. Toyota has had many years of experience building sports cars and what they don't know they'll copy. A first Lexus sports car is all in name only, its Toyota who designed and builds the car, with a dollop of Lexus marketing thrown in so it can be sold for a premium price. The LFA could have been the next Supra if they wanted volume/lower prices.


M

You're right, Toyota did have many years of experience building sports cars. Sports cars developed as competition for Preludes/Eclipses (Celica), and as competition for STis/Skylines (Supra). Not supercars. Toyota never ventured out here before. That takes balls. And with a name like Toyota/Lexus, they would have an extra-hard time convincing people it's a good car - just look at the comments here!!

The thing that killed the LF-A is the price, mostly caused by the limited production run.

 

[HighestOfHigh]

The thing that killed the LF-A is the price, mostly caused by the limited production run.

Yes, I believe the price will be the Lexus main downfall. Same issue occured with the SLR and it's price tag. Then again it may turn out to be a real winner...but I doubt it.

 

[Merc1]

You're right, Toyota did have many years of experience building sports cars. Sports cars developed as competition for Preludes/Eclipses (Celica), and as competition for STis/Skylines (Supra). Not supercars. Toyota never ventured out here before. That takes balls.

True, but the point is that building a Supra and then taking it up a few notches isn't all that hard. They have the basic sports car fundamentals down already. The exoitc construction and V10 are really where they had to venture out, and Toyota does race also. So its not like they don't have the resources to compensate for a so called lack of experience. A "supercar" is nothing but a sports car turned up, way up in this case. The label is matterless. Stunning car though, I can't take that away from them.


M

 

[LaArtist]

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Sums it up well..

The only thing good with this car is the engine sound..

 

[Sunny]

My preference - 458, LFA and then SLS or R8 V10, depending on how they both compare - and I hope some mag do compare them soon.

 

[Sunny]

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Sums it up well..

The only thing good with this car is the engine sound..

Really, that is what you took from the review?

IMO the only two things bad about the car is the price and it is a lexus and the boring image that comes with it but this is exactly what the doctor ordered to fix that.

 

[LaArtist]

^the price is the main thing..
Its not a little thing you just wave by..
its a huge price tag..
the car does not perform ANYWHERE near that price..
And as you said yourself it doesent even have a image.. like the SLR had (over priced underachiver aswell)

What are you left with?

A good engine sound.. and some good engineering..

All supercars are engineered well and sound good..

 

[Centurion]

Lexus have made the Maybach of Supercar. Amazing specs but little sex appeal and no image.

 

[Sunny]

^the price is the main thing..
Its not a little thing you just wave by..
its a huge price tag..
the car does not perform ANYWHERE near that price..
And as you said yourself it doesent even have a image.. like the SLR had (over priced underachiver aswell)

What are you left with?

Oh if price is the main thing, MB has lot more than just SLR in the over priced under achiever category - pretty much all the BS cars, especially the SL65 BS. Wonder where all the hate was then?

 

[Merc1]

Oh if price is the main thing, MB has lot more than just SLR in the over priced under achiever category - pretty much all the BS cars, especially the SL65 BS. Wonder where all the hate was then?

Yeah right. The CLK63 Black Series was anything but an "over priced under achiever". The SL65 BS wasn't fast enough around a track so yeah its a flop to you. Nevermind anything else about the car.

M

 

[klier]

1. Italia
2. LFA
3. SLS
4. R8

 

[Sunny]

Yeah right. The CLK63 Black Series was anything but an "over priced under achiever". The SL65 BS wasn't fast enough around a track so yeah its a flop to you. Nevermind anything else about the car.

M

No where did I say 65bs is a flop, just over priced for the performance it offers, just like Artist claims LFA is. Same goes for CLK63 BS or SLK55 BS. For the price, there is better performance to be had. But wait, my bad, I forgot how only a Mercedes has other intangible magical qualities that excuses bad performance to price ratio.

 

[Merc1]

Oh wait, sorry, my bad, I forgot how only a Mercedes has other intangible magical qualities that excuses bad performance to price ratio.

Nope, but they aren't junk either because they don't throw down superior, yet in the real world meaningless track numbers either.

Don't know about the SLK55 BS because it wasn't sold here, and I'll give you that the SL65 was not the track car Mercedes made it out to be, but the CLK63 BS was a great car no matter what nonsense you come up with about track times.

M

 

[Sunny]

Nope, but they aren't junk either because they don't throw down superior, yet in the real world meaningless track numbers either.

Don't know about the SLK55 BS because it wasn't sold here, and I'll give you that the SL65 was not the track car Mercedes made it out to be, but the CLK63 BS was a great car no matter what nonsense you come up with about track times.

M

Again, no where did I say anything was junk. You are just arguing against fictitious posts.

 

[Merc1]

No where did I say 65bs is a flop, just over priced for the performance it offers, just like Artist claims LFA is. Same goes for CLK63 BS or SLK55 BS. For the price, there is better performance to be had. But wait, my bad, I forgot how only a Mercedes has other intangible magical qualities that excuses bad performance to price ratio.

I can get more "performance" out of a Corvette for less money than an M3. So what. Doesn't mean the M3 is overpriced either.

For Mercedes to be able to take something as ordinary as the outgoing CLK chassis and make it into a track car is something. Mercedes doesn't do track cars well so I doubt anybody expected it to run the segment. However the effort was astounding no matter what you say. A few tenths of second or second or two difference doesn't make a CLK63 BS a bad car.

You know full well that if a car doesn't "track" well it has no reason for being....with you.


M

 

[LaArtist]

No where did I say 65bs is a flop, just over priced for the performance it offers, just like Artist claims LFA is. Same goes for CLK63 BS or SLK55 BS. For the price, there is better performance to be had. But wait, my bad, I forgot how only a Mercedes has other intangible magical qualities that excuses bad performance to price ratio.

Image image image..

Thats why your beloved BMW cant make those cars even..

They cant charge money like MB..or they would have shitty sales..

Every equal BMW is cheaper than the equal MB..

Image image image..

And i belive you will agree with me BMW has a better image than Lexus..

PS
Oh and about the criticism towards MB´s.. Well the shit the MM and the SLR took is about as much as you can get..all from forums to journalists..

So they get their fair share..

 

[klier]

All I know is that it is about freaking time we have a BMW to compare against theses monsters!!!!!!!!

 

[Sunny]

Image image image..

Thats why your beloved BMW cant make those cars even..

They cant charge money like MB..or they would have shitty sales..

Every equal BMW is cheaper than the equal MB..

Image image image..

And i belive you will agree with me BMW has a better image than Lexus..

PS
Oh and about the criticism towards MB´s.. Well the shit the MM and the SLR took is about as much as you can get..all from forums to journalists..

So they get their fair share..

I couldn't care less about image. Which is why a lowly Nissan is one of my favorite cars right now - cause it more than makes up for it in how it performs.

 

[LaArtist]

^yep mine aswell..
But even the GT-r has a HEAVY image..
Lexus would kill for that image..

But i think you understand why MB can do it..and lexus cant..

Cause others care about image..
They buy their Sportscars to flash and not drive on track..thats the sad reality ..

 

[Sunny]

Every equal BMW is cheaper than the equal MB..

And a little fact check... over here (as in US), 335 costs more than C350. 550 costs more than E550. 535 costs more than E350. SLK and Z4 costs the same. X3 costs more than GLK. X5 30i costs more than ML350. X5 48i and ML550 costs the same. I don't know how 6er compares to E coupe, but 650 coupe costs way more than E550 coupe or even CLS550. Yes, the S class does cost more than 7er, everything else that is comparable, BMW is more expensive or as expensive. But I do wish your were right and BMW's were cheaper.