Vs W213 E-Class and it`s technological implementation vs. The Competition.

[GTA45E]

Well, it's not an assumption regarding the BMW weights, they are taken from BMW's website, where BMW also state that they are EU figures and include 68kg for driver, and 7kg for Cargo.

Cadillac don't say what their weights include, but it's typical for US numbers to not include this 75kg that is added on to EU figures.

So they are reasonably safe assumptions. And based only on these assumptions, and the models that are available, the CT6 2.0 is not lighter than an equivalently engined 5 series or A6, and neither the 3.0 or 3.6 Cadillac are lighter than the 740i.

It's also worth noting that Cadillac's claim about the CT6 being lighter than a 5 / A6 related only to the body-in-white, so that would also explain why the finished product seems to be heavier than both a 5-er and an A6.

You are of course free to believe that the CT6 is lighter, and for all I know you might end up being right, but at least I've stated the basis for my assumptions and beliefs.

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Fair enough.
Until the real world tests come out it`s pretty much a draw. Thanks for the valuable contribution.

 

[Rolf]

I don't think the mods accept XXX-rated

Ask Torie if she has written that book, BMW TV don't have a worthy presenter to write good enough adult books

 

[Rolf]

^nope both are more or less as heavy.. and the F whatever the F they call it new 5er.will be +/- 50-100 kg vs the W213.

Just like the new 7er is barely lighter than the W222. its those 50-100kgs..
No one cares about your carbon core..haha

To put it into perspective, as much as you care about Safety tech, about 100% less than that is how much i care about the weight of 7er/S or E/5er.

The carbon core actually adds weight, as the 7-series still has steel/alu A-pillars just like the S-class but the carbon core is not for reducing weight but more for adding rigidity. Its all marketing BS in my opinion. If they had constructed the A-B and C-pillars and roof in Carbon fibre then it would probably be lighter. The Audi A8 with aluminium and AWD is 50-80kg lighter than the 7-series. I think the next S-class will have carbon fibre seat frames, dashboard frame and suspension parts but we will wait and see.

 

[Rolf]

200kg

250kg

pick

The 250kg lady looks more feminine, she at least has a good pair of watermelons on her, the 200kg looks a bit butch, like she got out of prison. The 250kg lady is the Rolls Royce, and the 200kg lady is the 7-series.

 

[Rolf]

Wtf, gents why is this thread landing up with like 2 pages of 7 series weight vs CT6 weight when its about the Mercedes W213 tech vs rivals? LMAOFF!!!

 

[klier]

Wtf, gents why is this thread landing up with like 2 pages of 7 series weight vs CT6 weight when its about the Mercedes W213 tech vs rivals? LMAOFF!!!

Because the W213 competes with the 7er, and the S class is two levels higher?

 

[Giannis]

Then you should be praising the Cadillac CT6 for coming up with the lightest weight in its size/class.
The CT6 with its Honeycomb type structure is the weight savings champ. About the size of a standard wheelbase 7er, it is lighter than anything in its class. (even lighter than the BMW 5/ Merc E or Audi A6) The honeycomb type design is optimized to reduce mass and, therefore, the weight of components in the chassis. Cadillac did this without the expense of CF. This is packaging efficiency and the results are far better than the BMW 7-series. The reason I point out the 7er is because the overall results don`t add up with it`s expensive CF packaging.

Well, that's something I haven't seen so far in mass-market cars. And it's certainly welcome.

I don't know how much of a weight difference there is for the CT6 - over a traditional front beam, but it's an all new approach. As is BMW's mass use of CF components on a mass market sedan.

Kudos have to be given where they are due.

Also kudos to @Matski for his very informative post!

 

[klier]

The carbon core actually adds weight, as the 7-series still has steel/alu A-pillars just like the S-class but the carbon core is not for reducing weight but more for adding rigidity.

Go wash your mouth

 

[Rolf]

Go wash your mouth

I will brush my teeth with carbon core toothbrush!!

 

[klier]

That's lightweight bro! You will not get tired

 

[klier]

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Fair enough.
Until the real world tests come out it`s pretty much a draw. Thanks for the valuable contribution.

It's valuable, but things like this have been written dozens of times and you apparantly fail to remember any of it. Hence me just giving lame answers.

And there is no draw between apples and oranges.

 

[Rolf]

That's lightweight bro! You will not get tired

Yes but it will still be too rigid for my mouth and break my teeth!!

 

[GTA45E]

It's valuable, but things like this have been written dozens of times and you apparantly fail to remember any of it. Hence me just giving lame answers.

And there is no draw between apples and oranges.

Stop trolling, this is something you fail to figure out. The Cadillac has not been tested or reviewed yet. This has nothing to do with past details. Move on

 

[klier]

Stop trolling, this is something you fail to figure out. The Cadillac has not been tested or reviewed yet. This has nothing to do with past details. Move on

You stop talking about a car that doesn't exist yet then. And the weight of the W212 and G11 has been discussed numerous times, and you still throw in an (apparently) hypothetical kerb weight vs a real time EU weight. You expect me to give a serious answer after discussing this for 15 years already?

 

[GTA45E]

You exaggerate. (I guess we are both guilty) The weight differences are really not that huge between the cars compared (current 5, e-Class and A6) and should not be with ones coming between the CT6 vs. 7-Series. So hat's off to all those making a difference.

I give Cadillac a big hat's off for making huge strides in weight savings with some of the most common materials with its honeycomb process. That is engineering efficiency, my friend. It is this kind of efficiency that every car company should strive for.