Vs W213 E-Class and it`s technological implementation vs. The Competition.

[klier]

To put it into perspective, as much as you care about Safety tech, about 100% less than that is how much i care about the weight of 7er/S or E/5er.

Ok.
I understand where you are coming from being a fan of the Benz, so I can hardly blame you.

I don't make just statements. That what I said can be checked.

Yes you do.
Because one source is not a source. You could have double checked to see this fable about the legendary light W212 collapse in on itself.

 

[klier]

Carbon Core™ 730d 1830 kg
S350d 1955 kg

Carbon Core™ 750i 1895 kg
S500 1995 kg

Why am I enjoying this so much?

Just going by the official German websites btw, before we get yet another argument on this

http://www.bmw.de/de/neufahrzeuge/7er/limousine/2015/technische-daten.html

http://www.mercedes-benz.de/content...tml#_int_passengercars:home:model-navi:models

 

[LaArtist]

200kg

250kg

pick

 

[tomazino]

200kg

250kg

pick

there are much much much bigger differences between these two woman, than between E-S-C mercedes. So, how you pick?

 

[LaArtist]

there are much much much bigger differences between these two woman, than between E-S-C mercedes. So, how you pick?

Give me both, f it i don't discriminate

 

[Monster]

Why am I not surprised that the discussions have turn into this, @klier @LaArtist

 

[klier]

Why am I not surprised that the discussions have turn into this, @klier @LaArtist

I have no idea.
It's remarkable to see that LaArtist doesn't even realize the importance of this massive weight difference. It's the single most important aspect of any car ever made.

He comes up with pictures of fat cows and tries to be funny yet again. Though strange how I don't see the 150 kg difference on these lovely ladies......
It's ok though, I am close to being done here in this crazy thread.

 

[LaArtist]

I have no idea.
It's remarkable to see that LaArtist doesn't even realize the importance of this massive weight difference. It's the single most important aspect of any car ever made.

He comes up with pictures of fat cows and tries to be funny yet again. Though strange how I don't see the 150 kg difference on these lovely ladies......
It's ok though, I am close to being done here in this crazy thread.

It is equally crazy that you don't appreciate life saving technology.. or its even more crazy.
Rather a safe and heavy car than a non safe light one

 

[LaArtist]

Why am I not surprised that the discussions have turn into this, @klier @LaArtist

Don't complain, at least something happens around here. Its alot of BS. Some find it entertaining.
Those that don't can move on.
I appreciate klier

 

[klier]

And I respect Artist.
He is spot on, at least something happens.

It is equally crazy that you don't appreciate life saving technology.. or its even more crazy.
Rather a safe and heavy car than a non safe light one

I do appreciate it, you know I do. It's the hyperbole to provoke a reaction

But I do have to say, all these cars are safe enough for me. I'd rather have them focus on keeping them as safe yet much lighter.

 

[martinbo]

Bah. [Throws popcorn into the bin]

 

[GTA45E]

Keep them coming, this thread with desperate MB fans is just hilarious!

I swear you come up with the lamest sh*% sometimes.
-and now you want to talk about the position of the seat switchgear in the Benz just to be heard.
You`ve become as loud as a diesel engine from the 1980s. Cackle! cackle! Klier.

I have no idea.
It's remarkable to see that LaArtist doesn't even realize the importance of this massive weight difference. It's the single most important aspect of any car ever made.

Then you should be praising the Cadillac CT6 for coming up with the lightest weight in its size/class.
The CT6 with its Honeycomb type structure is the weight savings champ. About the size of a standard wheelbase 7er, it is lighter than anything in its class. (even lighter than the BMW 5/ Merc E or Audi A6) The honeycomb type design is optimized to reduce mass and, therefore, the weight of components in the chassis. Cadillac did this without the expense of CF. This is packaging efficiency and the results are far better than the BMW 7-series. The reason I point out the 7er is because the overall results don`t add up with it`s expensive CF packaging.

 

[Deleted member 25]

We will see the final results in real life tests, until then its only cheap talk.

 

[Matski]

Then you should be praising the Cadillac CT6 for coming up with the lightest weight in its size/class.
The CT6 with its Honeycomb type structure is the weight savings champ. About the size of a standard wheelbase 7er, it is lighter than anything in its class. (even lighter than the BMW 5/ Merc E or Audi A6) The honeycomb type design is optimized to reduce mass and, therefore, the weight of components in the chassis. Cadillac did this without the expense of CF. This is packaging efficiency and the results are far better than the BMW 7-series. The reason I point out the 7er is because the overall results don`t add up with it`s expensive CF packaging.

The base CT6 is RWD only and 2.0 engine (with Auto box) weighs 1659kg 'curb' weight, there isn't really a comparable model in the 7-er range, but a 2.0 RWD Auto 5-er weighs 1690kg (inc. 75kg driver) i.e. 1615kg 'curb', so that would be lighter. If we subtract the 65kg difference between a 4 cylinder 5-er, and a 6 cylinder 5-er, from the weight of a 6 cylinder 7-er, then we'd get a 'curb' weight of 1660kg for something like a 4 cylinder 728i.

The CT6 with a 3.0 Turbo is AWD (?) and weighs 1853kg. A 740i is also an 6 cylinder turbo, but is not available with xDrive (yet)... the RWD one weighs 1800kg (inc. 75kg driver) so 1725kg 'curb'..
if we add on 50kg for xDrive (750i vs. 750iX difference), that's still lighter than the CT6.

I'm assuming the Curb weight figures Cadillac have in their press release don't include driver and cargo, where the EU weights BMW print do.

For such a big car (bigger than a 7-er) the CT6 is light, but based on these figures I wouldn't say it's lighter than a 7-er.

 

[SCOTT27]

Yes a four cylinder 730i will be introduced to the Chinese market. But who is to say that it will be not be available else where.

 

[klier]

Then you should be praising the Cadillac CT6 for coming up with the lightest weight in its size/class.
The CT6 with its Honeycomb type structure is the weight savings champ. About the size of a standard wheelbase 7er, it is lighter than anything in its class. (even lighter than the BMW 5/ Merc E or Audi A6) The honeycomb type design is optimized to reduce mass and, therefore, the weight of components in the chassis. Cadillac did this without the expense of CF. This is packaging efficiency and the results are far better than the BMW 7-series. The reason I point out the 7er is because the overall results don`t add up with it`s expensive CF packaging.

Haha, stop comparing apples with oranges. Just stop

 

[GTA45E]

The base CT6 is RWD only and 2.0 engine (with Auto box) weighs 1659kg 'curb' weight, there isn't really a comparable model in the 7-er range, but a 2.0 RWD Auto 5-er weighs 1690kg (inc. 75kg driver) i.e. 1615kg 'curb', so that would be lighter. If we subtract the 65kg difference between a 4 cylinder 5-er, and a 6 cylinder 5-er, from the weight of a 6 cylinder 7-er, then we'd get a 'curb' weight of 1660kg for something like a 4 cylinder 728i.

The CT6 with a 3.0 Turbo is AWD (?) and weighs 1853kg. A 740i is also an 6 cylinder turbo, but is not available with xDrive (yet)... the RWD one weighs 1800kg (inc. 75kg driver) so 1725kg 'curb'..
if we add on 50kg for xDrive (750i vs. 750iX difference), that's still lighter than the CT6.

I'm assuming the Curb weight figures Cadillac have in their press release don't include driver and cargo, where the EU weights BMW print do.

For such a big car (bigger than a 7-er) the CT6 is light, but based on these figures I wouldn't say it's lighter than a 7-er.

Your response is welcome. (and more productive than Kliers)
Thay are your personal assumptions though which does not mean anything in the real world tests.

I still believe the Cadillac will win. Not only in weight saving but overall performance just like its
baby brother the CTS.

 

[klier]

Your response is welcome. (and more productive than Kliers)

Why bother when comparing an apple to an orange. An S class and 7er at least are the same type cars with the same level of tech, equipment and luxury.

 

[Matski]

Your response is welcome. (and more productive than Kliers)
Thay are your personal assumptions though which does not mean anything in the real world tests.

I still believe the Cadillac will win. Not only in weight saving but overall performance just like its
baby brother the CTS.

Well, it's not an assumption regarding the BMW weights, they are taken from BMW's website, where BMW also state that they are EU figures and include 68kg for driver, and 7kg for Cargo.

Cadillac don't say what their weights include, but it's typical for US numbers to not include this 75kg that is added on to EU figures.

So they are reasonably safe assumptions. And based only on these assumptions, and the models that are available, the CT6 2.0 is not lighter than an equivalently engined 5 series or A6, and neither the 3.0 or 3.6 Cadillac are lighter than the 740i.

It's also worth noting that Cadillac's claim about the CT6 being lighter than a 5 / A6 related only to the body-in-white, so that would also explain why the finished product seems to be heavier than both a 5-er and an A6.

You are of course free to believe that the CT6 is lighter, and for all I know you might end up being right, but at least I've stated the basis for my assumptions and beliefs.

 

[SCOTT27]

Matski you are a Genius.