VW Is Said to Cheat on Diesel Emissions; U.S. Orders Big Recall


Reading the last couple of pages here again convinces me we are dealing with a few extremists over here Matski, and you know what they say about extremists, you really can't argue with them.
 
I will never replace my turbodiesel with an electric vehicle.

Same here. And from time to time i'll send my emissions to @Cashmere, just to enjoy the fragrance...


haha you don't have to but the rest of the world will. Love how quickly this change is happening in Europe

Electrified car registrations overtook diesels in Europe for first time


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haha you don't have to but the rest of the world will. Love how quickly this change is happening in Europe

Electrified car registrations overtook diesels in Europe for first time


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But it needs a clear definition what an electrified vehicle means. I have seen statistics, in which all the mild hybrids with a 48V electrical system are counted as electrified vehicles, which are nothing else but petrol cars.
 
Electrics will not replace fossil fuel cars where I live. In fact, crossovers and pickups are starting to outsells sedans and this week Volkswagen just launched the Amarok V6 TDI Black Style.

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Electrics will not replace fossil fuel cars where I live. In fact, crossovers and pickups are starting to outsells sedans and this week Volkswagen just launched the Amarok V6 TDI Black Style.

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But, as far as I know, quite a significant part of the cars use ethanol as a fuel. And it is considered CO2 neutral and renewable.
 
But, as far as I know, quite a significant part of the cars use ethanol as a fuel. And it is considered CO2 neutral and renewable.

Yes, that is true. Most cars over here are fuel flexible so they can run on gasoline (petrol), ethanol or a mix of both. Volkswagen was the first to launch a fuel flexible car in 2003. The VW Gol 1.6 TotalFlex.

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Fiat was the first manufacturer to launch an ethanol powered car. The 147 álcool in 1979.

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Ethanol is cheaper than gasoline. Regular gasoline has a mandatory 27% blend of ethanol and premium gas has 25%.
That is the reason why there were practically no diesel cars in your country? (Or at least that is how I remember seeing the tourists who cross to my country), Alcohol/Ethanol for you was not only cheaper than diesel , but also offered a better performance and octane rating than gasoline if I remember correctly, in addition to that in those times diesel were still slow, dirty and underpowered?
 
That is the reason why there were practically no diesel cars in your country? (Or at least that is how I remember seeing the tourists who cross to my country), Alcohol/Ethanol for you was not only cheaper than diesel , but also offered a better performance and octane rating than gasoline if I remember correctly, in addition to that in those times diesel were still slow, dirty and underpowered?

Due to the 1973 oil crisis, the military government feared that there would be a shortage of diesel, so they banned diesel cars in 1976 and only allowed vehicles that had a payload capacity of over 1,000 kilograms (Pickups, SUVs and Vans). The government started seeking for other sources of fuel and ethanol made out of sugar cane proved to be cheapest and most viable alternative. They start promoting the "Pró-Álcool" (Pro-Ethanol) program which initially focused in the production of anhydrous ethanol to blend with gasoline (initially a 10% mix). Car makers started to test prototypes that could run on ethanol. Dodge was the first one to start testing with an ethanol powered 1800 in 1977, but it was Fiat that launched the first ever ethanol car in 1979. The 147 1.3 Alcool. The 147 was based on the Fiat 127, btw.

Ethanol is cheaper than diesel and engines make more power when running on ethanol. The problem with the ethanol is that fuel economy that tends to be lower than when running with gasoline. Cold start used to be a problem in the past, where you had to pull the choke valve, then start up and warm the engine before driving off. Electronic fuel injection sorted that out, but to this day cars that run on ethanol still have a gasoline reservoir to help cold start under low temperatures.
 
Due to the 1973 oil crisis, the military government feared that there would be a shortage of diesel, so they banned diesel cars in 1976 and only allowed vehicles that had a payload capacity of over 1,000 kilograms (Pickups, SUVs and Vans). The government started seeking for other sources of fuel and ethanol made out of sugar cane proved to be cheapest and most viable alternative. They start promoting the "Pró-Álcool" (Pro-Ethanol) program which initially focused in the production of anhydrous ethanol to blend with gasoline (initially a 10% mix). Car makers started to test prototypes that could run on ethanol. Dodge was the first one to start testing with an ethanol powered 1800 in 1977, but it was Fiat that launched the first ever ethanol car in 1979. The 147 1.3 Alcool. The 147 was based on the Fiat 127, btw.

Ethanol is cheaper than diesel and engines make more power when running on ethanol. The problem with the ethanol is that fuel economy that tends to be lower than when running with gasoline. Cold start used to be a problem in the past, where you had to pull the choke valve, then start up and warm the engine before driving off. Electronic fuel injection sorted that out, but to this day cars that run on ethanol still have a gasoline reservoir to help cold start under low temperatures.
Thanks for the info, I always "knew" that there was something, but never for sure, there was the thought or assumption that the Brazilian GOLs, Santanas, etc. ran more than the gasoline that were sold in my country due to the fuel, but the ban on the Diesel is new for me, since I thought as I said that it was only a matter of cost benefit to the consumer's choice and that is why Brazilian diesel cars were not seen.
 
Thanks for the info, I always "knew" that there was something, but never for sure, there was the thought or assumption that the Brazilian GOLs, Santanas, etc. ran more than the gasoline that were sold in my country due to the fuel, but the ban on the Diesel is new for me, since I thought as I said that it was only a matter of cost benefit to the consumer's choice and that is why Brazilian diesel cars were not seen.

You're welcome.

We built diesel passenger cars in the past, but they were for export only.

The Ordinance No. 346 from the Ministry of Industry and Trade allows diesel for vehicles that have a cargo capacity of over 1,000 kilogams, four wheel drive with transfer case and low range. Peugeot managed to circumvent the last part by arguing that 504 GD Pickup had a payload of 1,300 kilograms and it was a commercial vehicle.

So the government OK'd the 504 pickup. The Jeep Compass is the best selling crossover in Brazil and it doesn't have a cargo capacity of more 1,000 kilograms and transfer case with low range and yet it does have the option of a turbodiesel engine. How did Jeep manage to do that? FCA argued that the first gear in the AWD version acts like a low range. Basically they pulled a similar trick that Mercedes pulled back in 2008 when they launched the ML 320 CDI arguing that the off road mode acted like a transfer case.
 

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