VW Is Said to Cheat on Diesel Emissions; U.S. Orders Big Recall

[Sunny]

Don't know the right place to post this, so will stick it here.

Kudos to the 4 companies for doing the right thing. Mercedes is missing in action though.

Four Major Automakers Strike Deal With California For 50 MPG By 2026
The standards will apply to all vehicles sold in the United States.
Ford, Volkswagen, BMW, and Honda have made a deal with California to build more fuel-efficient vehicles while reducing greenhouse gas emissions. The crux of the deal has these four automakers agreeing to a fleet average of 50 mpg for light-duty vehicles by the 2026 model year. This is slightly lower and slightly longer than the fuel economy standards set by the Obama administration back in 2012. However, it’s considerably more aggressive than the Trump administration’s proposal to freeze standards at current levels, which would see fleet averages of 37 mpg through 2026.


Motor1.com has confirmed that the deal is in place. In a joint statement, the four automakers said:

"Ensuring that America’s vehicles are efficient, safe and affordable is a priority for us all. A 50-state solution has always been our preferred path forward and we understand that any deal involves compromise. These terms will provide our companies much-needed regulatory certainty by allowing us to meet both federal and state requirements with a single national fleet, avoiding a patchwork of regulations while continuing to ensure meaningful greenhouse gas emissions reductions."

In an email to Motor1.com, Honda has this to say about the deal.

"Honda, along with other automakers, proposed terms to the California Air Resources Board (CARB) for regulating light-duty vehicle greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, and CARB has accepted those terms. The proposed regulatory framework results in a simple, national GHG program and avoids the patchwork of overlapping federal and state regulations that exists now. The framework provides regulatory stability, greater environmental benefits, and reduced compliance costs. As a leader in producing efficient, low and zero-emission vehicles, Honda believes this is a win for our customers and for the environment."

Aside from fuel mileage standards, the deal will revise greenhouse gas standards starting with the 2022 model year through the 2026 model year, with an increasing year-over-year stringency rate of 3.7 percent. In the statement, the automakers further say the deal will promote zero-emission technology and increase innovation, while also recognizing California’s authority to establish emission and fuel economy standards for the state.

 

[Centurion]

50MPG is highly ambitious and will require wide availability of affordable BEVs.

 

[Matski]

What's the definition of Light Duty Vehicle in California/USA? Do the "trucks" (X3-X7) count in that definition?

 

[EnI]

What's the definition of Light Duty Vehicle in California/USA? Do the "trucks" (X3-X7) count in that definition?

LDV = vehicle with maximum Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) < 8,500 lbs.

The gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR), or gross vehicle mass (GVM) is the maximum operating weight/mass of a vehicle as specified by the manufacturer including the vehicle's chassis, body, engine, engine fluids, fuel, accessories, driver, passengers and cargo but excluding that of any trailers

Eg .... X7's GVWR = 7253 lbs

So, YES, X1 - X7 models do count in that LDV definition



CALIFORNIA
Vehicles in California are classified by the California Air Resources Board, and match federal definitions for all vehicle types except for Heavy-Duty Vehicles 14,000-19,500 lbs GVWR.

Vehicle standards are established in Title 13, California Code of Regulations, sections 1960.1 and 1961.

LIGHT-DUTY VEHICLES
California uses the same Light-Duty Vehicle definitions as the US EPA.

The United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) defines vehicle and engine types for the purposes of federal emissions regulations.
California, which sets its own emissions standards for some categories of vehicles, uses similar vehicle definition as the federal EPA, but with some minor differences.

UNITED STATES
defined by the EPA:

Passenger Vehicles
Light-duty Vehicles (i.e. Passenger Cars) LDV maximum Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) < 8,500 lbs.
Medium-duty Passenger Vehicles MDPV 8,501 – 10,000 lbs GVWR

 

[Serpens]

What's the definition of Light Duty Vehicle in California/USA? Do the "trucks" (X3-X7) count in that definition?

For light duty vehicles, California and the rest of USA do not differ. It's any vehicle with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of less than 8500 pounds. The X7 and below are included as light duty.

 

[SCOTT27]

New VW ad here in the US.


#notbuyingit

Was actually expecting something like this.
BP Is deeply sorry! (We're Sorry) South Park

 

[kingjr9000]

Ferdinand Piech, Former VW Group Chairman, Dead At 82



AUG 26, 2019 at 4:08PM


He was also a member of the Porsche family.
The former Volkswagen Group Chairman Ferdinand Piech had died at age 82, according to the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung and many other German media sources. Motor1.com has reached out to Volkswagen for an official statement.

Piech was reportedly attending an event in Upper Bavaria. While having dinner on the evening of August 25, he collapsed. He died at a nearby hospital on August 26. The cause of his passing is not currently available.


Piech was born in 1937 to Anton and Louise Piëch. His mother was Ferdinand Porsche's daughter, making him a grandson to the famed auto engineer. Piech also pursued a career in engineering and started working at Porsche in 1963. His first major project for the company was spearheading the development of the 906 race car. He remained an integral part of the company's motorsport operations even into the introduction of the fabled 917.

 

[SCOTT27]

Dieselaffäre: Aktuelle Volkswagen-Spitze angeklagt wegen Marktmanipulation - WELT

Paukenschlag bei Volkswagen: Aufsichtsratschef Pötsch und Vorstandschef Diess sollen Anleger „vorsätzlich zu spät“ informiert zu haben. Die Staatsanwaltschaft erhebt auch gegen den Ex-Vorstand Winterkorn Anklage.

www.welt.de

Well,Well,Well.

 

[Deleted member 25]

Couldn't find the VW fine thread so i am posting it here

BMW, Daimler, Volkswagen and dynaCERT - the cleanest diesel ever

In a recent vehicle test, experts examined the BMW 520d, Mercedes-Benz GLE 350 and VW Golf 2.0 TDI models in city traffic, on country roads and autobahns. The magazine 'Auto, Motor und Sport' and the British testing specialist Emissions Analytics have tested the emission of nitrogen oxide (NOx) in road traffic under real conditions and the results are surprisingly good. The advantages of electric mobility are fading.


New exhaust emission standard Euro 6d-Temp

When the diesel scandal became known in 2015, tests of vehicles in the laboratory under optimized conditions were the required common practice for car manufacturers. In road traffic and under real conditions, however, emissions of up to 1,000 mg NOx per kilometer were still measured in Euro 6 diesel engines. Since September 2019, even stricter rules have been in force for new diesel engines with Euro 6d-Temp, because since then, vehicles may only emit 168 mg NOx per kilometer.


Diesel engines almost without NOx emissions

The engineers of the German carmakers were able to shine with their results when testing the three vehicles BMW (FSE: BMW) 520d, Mercedes-Benz (Daimler - FSE: DAI) GLE 350 and Volkswagen (FSE: VOW3) Golf 2.0 TDI in road traffic. According to the report, the BMW 520d measured only 29 mg NOx per kilometre. The Golf model of the Wolfsburg car manufacturer only measured 20 mg NOx. The Mercedes SUV GLE achieved the best result in hybrid operation with 16 mg NOx per kilometer. In pure diesel mode, the vehicle with 306 hp and 2.0 liters of engine capacity achieved 22 mg NOx per kilometer, according to the testers. The measurement also showed that the particulate emissions in terms of the number of particles and their mass were far below the limit requirements for the three vehicles.


Advantages of electric cars are fading

These results give hope for the German automotive industry, whose strength is the development of combustion engines. These new results should send a signal to politics and industry. Many jobs in Germany depend on the combustion engine. The change to battery cars is progressing only slowly and with subsidies from tax payers' money.

It remains to be seen whether the current Corona Crisis will spur interest in electric cars and expensive experiments. There is currently a lack of attractive models and the necessary infrastructure to charge the batteries. Furthermore, the origin of the charging current often distorts the ecological balance of electric cars.


dynaCERT makes diesel green

The advantage of diesel engines is the comparatively low fuel consumption. There are currently around one billion diesel engines in use worldwide. In addition to vehicles and heavy equipment, engines of this type are also used in generators, locomotives, trains and ships. A huge market for dynaCERT (TSXV: DYA) and the innovative HydraGEN equipment for retrofitting. HydraGEN is a hydrogen technology that can be retrofitted to existing diesel engines of any kind.

The advantage is that fuel consumption can be reduced by up to 20%. Furthermore, the emission of NOx is reduced by up to 88%. A reduction in particulate matter of up to 55% and in CO2 of up to 10% has also been measured. The purchase of HydraGEN usually pays for itself within less than one year. Among the well-known investors of the listed company are the Canadian billionaire Eric Sprott and German logistics expert Dr. Jörg Mosolf.


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[CrunchSlaughtered]

Couldn't find the VW fine thread so i am posting it here

I didn't read it till the end but it's a complete PR for the diesel engines. This must be the result of the thick rectangular Tesla's d!ck, that is penetrating deeper and deeper in their fat a$$es.

 

[Matski]

I didn't read it till the end but it's a complete PR for the diesel engines. This mu...

Diesel might be in decline, but manufacturers are still shifting a lot of units. PR it maybe, but whilst people are still buying diesels I'd rather the manufacturers kept making them cleaner. Diesel sales have dropped off hugely here, but it's still 20% of the new car market, and that still four or five times bigger than the BEV market, despite penalties for buying the former, and subsidies for the latter... It's too soon to abandon making diesel cleaner.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Diesel might be in decline, but manufacturers are still shifting a lot of units. PR it maybe,...

Since they are soo clean, will they sell their diesel cars in the US?
I know the answer.

 

[Matski]

Since they are soo clean, will they sell their diesel cars in the US?
I know the an...

Diesel wasn't exactly popular in the USA before dieselgate, compared to European countries.

Am I to take it that you'd rather they continued to allow diesels to pollute more than necessary?

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Diesel wasn't exactly popular in the USA before dieselgate, compared to European countries.

A...

It's not only the NOx, there are other compounds that also pollute. The purification systems work properly only after the engine reaches its normal operating temperature, but in urban driving, especially during the winter, you can reach your destination before all the purification systems start to operate correctly. So for short trips they are rather dirty.

 

[Cashmere]

Ah another golden opportunity to blame politicians /s

Mercedes-Benz fined $1.5 billion for emissions cheating

Mercedes-Benz fined $1.5 billion for emissions cheating

The company must repair about 250,000 cars and vans it sold that don't meet emissions standards, officials said.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Cashmere]

It's too soon to abandon making diesel cleaner.

Making "diesels cleaner" is like "Clean Coal" - its an oxymoron.
~60% decline in sales in less than a year while BEVs have grown by over 157%. By next year, Diesel sales will be almost non-existent. I know it can be hard to accept change but let it go.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Making "diesels cleaner" is like "Clean Coal" - its an oxymoron.
~60% decline in sales in less than a year while BEVs have grown by over 157%. By next year, Diesel sales will be almost non-existent. I know it can be hard to accept change but let it go.

And diesel exhaust purification systems will become so expensive, that it will be inapplicable for smaller engines. While EV technology costs are decreasing more and more. Looks like our kids will not know who Rudolf Diesel was.

 

[J.E]

I will never replace my turbodiesel with an electric vehicle.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

I will never replace my turbodiesel with an electric vehicle.

Never say never

 

[J.E]

Never say never

No man, fat chance of that happening over here.