Hot! Volkswagen: What's Next

[Fastpaddy]

There's 11m dead Soviet soldiers who would disagree with that blanket statement. If Russian hadn't tied up the bulk of the Wehrmacht, WW2 would not have been won in Europe by the Allies.



I know it's ridiculous. If I was Germany I'd be sucking up to Putin asking for supply of that sweet sweet cheap Russian gas. If it's the difference between destroying the economy or keeping Germans employed I know what I would do.

A-bomb disagrees with you

 

[Fastpaddy]

China is the number 1 user of chips in the world, they take over 50% of the worlds chip production, if Nvidia can't sell chips to China they're screwed. Nvidia and Intel are circumventing the ban by leasing chips to China via third party countries like Singapore and Japan.

US tariffs aren't stopping the Chinese selling in the US they just make it more expensive for US manufacturers and consumers to buy products made in China or using components made in China. Chine wins with or without tariffs, it's the US consumer who loses due to higher retail prices.

Nvidia and intel arent circumventing any embargos Third party supplies are doing that

Higher consumer prices, but more sales for US manufacturers

 

[Matski]

A-bomb disagrees with you

The atomic bomb prevented a long, drawn out, US invasion of Japan and a continued war in the Pacific, but in Europe Germany had already surrendered by the time they were used.

 

[Rolf]

Could this terrific new Scout EV SUV and truck pickup help save VW?

I think it is one of the best new EV models shown this year, looks brilliant inside and has some useful features.

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[Matski]

Far more financial prudence would have eliminated this exhausting, frustrating debt ceiling debate that our country is now experiencing.

So am I correct in thinking you'd favour cutting non-essential spending over increased borrowing (versus GDP)?

 

[Fastpaddy]

The atomic bomb prevented a long, drawn out, US invasion of Japan and a continued war in the Pacific, but in Europe Germany had already surrendered by the time they were used.

I mean, thanks for the history lesson, but kinda missed the point.

If there was no soviet resistance, germany would have eventually surrendered once they had a nuke or two dropped on them also.

 

[KiwiRob]

The world's 3rd largest economy by GDP, built on manufacturing, but with nothing like the comparable resources or primary production of the US or China, and seemingly not even energy security. I might argue that diversification of the economy away from dependency on manufacturing would have been the prudent thing to do.

Like when the UK transitioned from an industrial economy to a service and financial services economy....I imagine the Germans have taken a look at that and said no thanks.

 

[KiwiRob]

Except it is not "collapsing". So you either don't understand what the word "collapse" means or you are grossly exaggerating.

I know you here for a while now, You are the same tool who argued a Radical and Porsche have the same usability. And then that hydrogen FCEVs are the future and BEVs will never be. And now you graduated to applying the same idiocy to geo politics. You seem to have a penchant for arguing the contrarian position. That is admirable, but the funny thing is, if you did the same in the shitty tyrannical countries you are shilling for, you will probably end up hanging upside down with two electrodes to your balls.

GDP is contracting, unemployment is increasing, German companies are moving production out of Germany, cost of energy is rising. The German economy is in recession.

A Radical has the same usability as a 911 GT3 RS. It doesn't have the same as a Boxster.

 

[KiwiRob]

I mean, thanks for the history lesson, but kinda missed the point.

If there was no soviet resistance, germany would have eventually surrendered once they had a nuke or two dropped on them also.

That's presuming the US entered the war against Germany. If we're doing an alternate history where Russia and Germany didn't go to war, the UK would have eventually come to terms and the US wouldn't have gotten involved in Europe. Without having to fight Russia Germany could have continued it's own nuclear weapons program.

 

[Design FIRST]

So am I correct in thinking you'd favour cutting non-essential spending over increased borrowing (versus GDP)?

You are certainly correct in your assumption that I support the slashing of spending on issues and entities that are non-productive, counterproductive while producing only more red tape and promote a mindset of entitlement rather than achievement. These cuts would permit investment in programs that are genuinely essential. In additional, this would reestablish Germanys credentials as a country featuring sound financial governance which would in turn boost its attraction to investors. And yes, precise task focused debt that would facilitate the renewal of crucial lifelines such as infrastructure, defence, education, innovation, etc. is certainly legitimate IMHO.

 

[Design FIRST]

You are certainly correct in your assumption that I support the slashing of spending on issues and entities that are non-productive, counterproductive while producing only more red tape and promote a mindset of entitlement rather than achievement. These cuts would permit investment in programs that are genuinely essential. In addition, this would reestablish Germanys credentials as a country featuring sound financial governance which would in turn boost its attraction to investors. And yes, precise task focused debt that would facilitate the renewal of crucial lifelines such as infrastructure, defence, education, innovation, etc. is certainly legitimate. In essence, the cutting of superfluous spending in order to reestablish credentials of financial prudence can go hand in hand with precisely task focused debt necessary in order to renew currently desolate, absolutely essential systematic lifelines.*

*Addition/Correction.

 

[KiwiRob]

You are certainly correct in your assumption that I support the slashing of spending on issues and entities that are non-productive, counterproductive while producing only more red tape and promote a mindset of entitlement rather than achievement. These cuts would permit investment in programs that are genuinely essential. In additional, this would reestablish Germanys credentials as a country featuring sound financial governance which would in turn boost its attraction to investors. And yes, precise task focused debt that would facilitate the renewal of crucial lifelines such as infrastructure, defence, education, innovation, etc. is certainly legitimate IMHO.

My previous employer closed it's two German factories and warehouse, production was moved to Poland. Staff dropped from about 400 to less than 20 mostly sales and admin staff. The company had been manufacturing in Germany since 1868.

 

[Design FIRST]

I'd build modern compact nuclear reactors (SMRs) across the country ASAP. They are modular too.

Wholeheartedly agree.

 

[Matski]

the point.

... in this case is that the Soviet-German war on the Eastern front directly, materially, contributed to the surrender of the Germans. The use of atomic bombs against Japan, did not. In fairness to the Soviets, not only were they a critical part of the victory in Europe, their declaration of war against Japan and subsequent invasion of Japanese occupied Manchuria was also a critical part of the Japanese surrender - it's worth remembering that as effective as Hiroshima and Nagasaki were, they weren't even the deadliest or most destructive raids conducted against Japan.

Anyway, I think the original point EnI was making was about the contribution of the Marshall plan, rather than the US war effort, which I think is what KiwiRob was responding to the suggestion of, so I don't want to take this any further off topic, just to say that you can't handwave away 4 years of fighting and 27 million deaths simply to suggest, 'well, we'd have won anyway', it really wasn't that simple.

 

[klier]

Aaah, so we've regressed to the Atomic Bomb.

Makes a lot of sense

If there was no soviet resistance

...we would all be speaking German.

 

[klier]

New York Times:

How Volkswagen Lost Its Way in China A brutal price war, sudden shifts in consumer demand and human rights issues in Xinjiang have left VW stumbling in a market it led for 40 years.

It's behind a paywall I think, but I can copy and paste the article if people who are interested can't read it.

Complicating VW’s dilemma is that its partner in Xinjiang, SAIC, is wholly owned by the Shanghai municipal government and closely follows Beijing’s wishes.

 

[Fastpaddy]

Aaah, so we've regressed to the Atomic Bomb.

Makes a lot of sense



...we would all be speaking German.

If there were no brits, we would all be speaking German, if there were no Americans, we would all be speaking German.

If there were more swiss, swedes, spanish, frebnch we would all be speaking german.

And lets not forget the soviet vs germans was a tactical error by hitler.

And its not the amount of deaths of the A bomb that ended the war, it was the way people died that ended the war.

Anyway getting cosy to putin for short term gain is stupidity on a long term outlook

 

[EnI]

Anyway, I think the original point EnI was making was about the contribution of the Marshall plan, rather than the US war effort, which I think is what KiwiRob was responding to the suggestion of, so I don't want to take this any further off topic, just to say that you can't handwave away 4 years of fighting and 27 million deaths simply to suggest, 'well, we'd have won anyway', it really wasn't that simple.

Bingo!

 

[Zgeronkill]

Aaah, so we've regressed to the Atomic Bomb.

Makes a lot of sense



...we would all be speaking German.

And it's not clear whether it's good news or bad news.

 

[Centurion]

I'd build modern compact nuclear reactors (SMRs) across the country ASAP. They are modular too.

This is where the USA and Elon have a huge advantage. He will send compact nuclear reactors to space and build data centres that orbit around earth.