86 Toyota FT-86: First Official Photos of Near-Production RWD Sports Coupe

[q5s]

So you are biased against everything this car is and then wonder why others who don't share your prejudices are excited about it?

Which is why I asked what YOU find so fascinating about it? OK it is cheap I'll give you that, although for a reason, I wouldn't compare it to a premium product. I don't see anything that's not been done before nor do I see any connection between this and an e30 (same number of wheels?) Is it an answer to the gutless 1.6 elise (looks like a sports car, can't keep up with a 2l diesel). Don't know what to make of it? Not impressed at all. You can slap any korean/japanese/etc. badge to the front and everyone would be none the wiser, such non descript styling may be some of yours thing but not mine. Now if it was smaller, lighter and turbo or supercharged and topless and looked and felt anything like that vw I'd be all over it. Sure nasp engine is my preference be it an s2000's 2l honda vtec or a z3's bmw 2.8 straight 6 but a 4cyl 2l petrol with less output than an 2l diesel and probably about half the torque, again not my thing. I think I'll stick to my original 2.9 boxster plan, I want something that looks good, feels good and sounds good, everything I've contemplated so far turned out to be a joke. Just release the new one already! so prices for the old one fall, we're not all made from money you know.

 

[Sunny]

^If you can't appreciate an affordable driver focused light weight RWD coupe, I am sorry I can't really help you especially when your detractions against it is tripe like it is not a "premium product" or it is "Japanese". And yes, it is nothing that has not been done before but yet, it is a rarity these days.

 

[Guibo]

Which is why I asked what YOU find so fascinating about it? OK it is cheap I'll give you that, although for a reason, I wouldn't compare it to a premium product. I don't see anything that's not been done before nor do I see any connection between this and an e30 (same number of wheels?) Is it an answer to the gutless 1.6 elise (looks like a sports car, can't keep up with a 2l diesel). Don't know what to make of it? Not impressed at all. You can slap any korean/japanese/etc. badge to the front and everyone would be none the wiser, such non descript styling may be some of yours thing but not mine. Now if it was smaller, lighter and turbo or supercharged and topless and looked and felt anything like that vw I'd be all over it. Sure nasp engine is my preference be it an s2000's 2l honda vtec or a z3's bmw 2.8 straight 6 but a 4cyl 2l petrol with less output than an 2l diesel and probably about half the torque, again not my thing. I think I'll stick to my original 2.9 boxster plan, I want something that looks good, feels good and sounds good, everything I've contemplated so far turned out to be a joke. Just release the new one already! so prices for the old one fall, we're not all made from money you know.

Not all made of money...yet the car you posted looks very much like a plaything whereas a young family could very well have the FT-86 and not need another car to get around.
Styling is subjective. Some people prefer Asian designs. How do you know for a fact this car doesn't feel good or sound good? You are entitled to your hatred of 2+2s, but you'd have to be pretty blind not to spot the functional advantage over a pure 2-seater. So it looks like you're willing to slag it for a lack of turbos (which tend to add weight), lack of power against diesels, yet within the next sentence mention the Z3 2.8 6-cylinder, which made no more power. Are there a lot of diesels on the market today that pull strongly at 7k rpm? You want to talk about weight...that thing weighed over 1300 kilos. And I doubt its semi-trailing arm suspension is as good as the FT-86's. You're also talking about a $37k car back in the day.

So what you're asking for is a Toyota version of the VW ("topless...looks anything like that vw"). What would be the point? Contrary to what you might think, a person can like both the VW and the Toyota, without grumbling about how they're so different. (Different car companies making different-looking products...the nerve!)

 

[klier]

200 hp 1200 kg RWD is so freaking fantastic.

This is the second time I badly want BMW to follow Toyota!! First the LFA, and now this. Brilliant.

And the sad thing is that it would be relatively easy for BMW to do this too. They already have RWD and lightweight engines, all we need is a lightweight and small body.
I'd rather have ONE FT86-like car from BMW than all the 1er GT/5er GT/6er GC/3er GT and whatever crap they come up with these days.

 

[330CIZHP]

Could not have said it better myself. BMW has completely lost it. I drove a 1M and lost all interest in BMW as of late. It really feels very porky for such a small car (especially compared to my old 330) and felt like a jazzed up 135.

I think if Toyota keeps this philosophy going and makes a broad range of cars, it could be a kick in BMW's a**!

200 hp 1200 kg RWD is so freaking fantastic.

This is the second time I badly want BMW to follow Toyota!! First the LFA, and now this. Brilliant.

And the sad thing is that it would be relatively easy for BMW to do this too. They already have RWD and lightweight engines, all we need is a lightweight and small body.
I'd rather have ONE FT86-like car from BMW than all the 1er GT/5er GT/6er GC/3er GT and whatever crap they come up with these days.

 

[klier]

But I do have to say I'm not fond of the design. I can live with it, but it's not my thing. It's not German enough maybe It's definitely not ugly though (maybe I have to see more of it)

But with those tech specs I don't even give a crap about the design. I already know how much I would enjoy driving it.

 

[q5s]

Not all made of money...yet the car you posted looks very much like a plaything whereas a young family could very well have the FT-86 and not need another car to get around.
Styling is subjective. Some people prefer Asian designs. How do you know for a fact this car doesn't feel good or sound good? You are entitled to your hatred of 2+2s, but you'd have to be pretty blind not to spot the functional advantage over a pure 2-seater. So it looks like you're willing to slag it for a lack of turbos (which tend to add weight), lack of power against diesels, yet within the next sentence mention the Z3 2.8 6-cylinder, which made no more power. Are there a lot of diesels on the market today that pull strongly at 7k rpm? You want to talk about weight...that thing weighed over 1300 kilos. And I doubt its semi-trailing arm suspension is as good as the FT-86's. You're also talking about a $37k car back in the day.

So what you're asking for is a Toyota version of the VW ("topless...looks anything like that vw"). What would be the point? Contrary to what you might think, a person can like both the VW and the Toyota, without grumbling about how they're so different. (Different car companies making different-looking products...the nerve!)

Yes it's a plaything. Since when did sport cars stopped being fun and turned all practical? 2+2 compromises the design/weight/handling/basically everything I like about cars just so someone can fit their headless/legless children in the back? It's impossible to sit in the back without snapping your neck and capping your knee. A dog would be uncomfortable back there, I don't know anyone who would treat his family like that. Maybe ideal place for man purse? I wouldn't know, hate +2 seats with a passion.
I've seen the interior pics of the toyota and how should I put this? maybe I'm spoilt by audi interior, what can I say, if you can't tell the difference I won't bother explaining, same for the sheet metal outside.
The z3 2.8 6-cyl engine has other qualities other than peak bhp, I guess things like throttle response, broad torque/power band, smoothness of operation, unstressed engine and aural pleasure are lost on you? Oh and there are as many diesels that pull strongly at 7k rpm as there are 2l nasp petrols that put out 400nm at 2k rpm.

 

[mini_cooper4]

hmmm my case is very different
I love driving unique cars. For example: Nobody else builds 560HP N/A V10 on a 4WD... the LP. Nobody else can achieve 8.1sec 0-100kph. in a car that heavy with that great fuel efficiency as my 5er.
I'm not spoiled by the Individual interior in the 5er or the Audi interior in the LP. They are gorgeous nevertheless!
I think what the FT-86 is going to offer will be unique at this moment.
The MX-5 is the nearest competitor but it's far away from a sports car... more like a fun car.
What Toyota/Subaru achieves here is to be the brand that builds the world's entry level SPORT car and there is no other atm... Unique and enthusiasts oriented!

 

[Centurion]

I figured it would be the price. What about the mx5? That's like 167bhp some 30bhp down but is lighter and is an open top 2-seater. I hate 2+2s with a passion and love open top motoring. I also hate most (but not all!) japanese design both inside & out. The toyota exterior & interior I would characterize as cheap & nasty. A vw would be more right up my alley (like the one below) or a new z3 (although bmw have stopped making cars I love a long time ago).

30hp might not seem like much but in cars tipping the scale just above the 1,000kg, the difference is felt - not to mention the higher revs too. Don't forget that the FT-86 has almost a front midship layout with the engine over its front axle. That and other engineering details should add up to a driving experience that is more race focused than that offered by the MX-5. Quite simply the MX-5 and the 1-Series Coupe are the only rear wheel drive sports coupe attainable to large demographic of people who would otherwise buy hatchbacks.

There is no point in dwelling on about the 2+2 configuration as I doubt that Toyota would pull one like Ferrari did and market the California as a four seater when the rear seats are useless for anything other than grocery bags from the local deli. Toyota might not be reinventing the wheel here but the FT-86 is a big deal to a wide audience of sports car enthusiasts who live in regular homes, live regular lives and might not ever be in the financial position to own a GT-R, Vantage, 599GTB or any other sports GT that stands out.

 

[klier]

30hp might not seem like much but in cars tipping the scale just above the 1,000kg, the difference is felt -

30 hp is felt at 2000 kg too. 30 hp is a lot On a 1200 kg car it's like, gigantic?

 

[Guibo]

Yes it's a plaything. Since when did sport cars stopped being fun and turned all practical? 2+2 compromises the design/weight/handling/basically everything I like about cars just so someone can fit their headless/legless children in the back? It's impossible to sit in the back without snapping your neck and capping your knee. A dog would be uncomfortable back there, I don't know anyone who would treat his family like that. Maybe ideal place for man purse? I wouldn't know, hate +2 seats with a passion.
I've seen the interior pics of the toyota and how should I put this? maybe I'm spoilt by audi interior, what can I say, if you can't tell the difference I won't bother explaining, same for the sheet metal outside.
The z3 2.8 6-cyl engine has other qualities other than peak bhp, I guess things like throttle response, broad torque/power band, smoothness of operation, unstressed engine and aural pleasure are lost on you? Oh and there are as many diesels that pull strongly at 7k rpm as there are 2l nasp petrols that put out 400nm at 2k rpm.

No, those things are not lost on me. I can appreciate them without putting down other cars. The question is: Can you? And how are you sure the throttle response is better? Have you driven this Toyota? Sure you have...
You are quite sure this car stopped being fun? What parts of those drives of the prototypes has led you to believe this car stopped being fun? Children with legs and heads fit fine in 2+2 coupes like the 240SX, C230 coupe, or SC300. You're also forgetting about infants who will do fine as well. You might want to be careful about thowing "man purse" around in a discussion of coupe vs soft-top.
No, I can tell the difference in design. But I'm saying design is subjective. Some people might like a little more aggression in the design of their sports coupe. This is obviously being pitched at a younger crowd. If they'd wanted a VW, I'm sure they can buy it. The great thing, which you don't seem to appreciate, is that there are people with different tastes and different companies catering to those tastes. What's the problem here? You wanted to know why this car appeals, and I think my answers are not so outlandish to reasonable people.
Also keep in mind that you are comparing high-resolution official pics of a concept car vs pictures taken of brochures posted onto the internet.

Which diesels pull strongly to 7k rpm?

 

[mini_cooper4]

It was a sarcasm with the 7k rpm diesel

 

[Sunny]

Oh and there are as many diesels that pull strongly at 7k rpm as there are 2l nasp petrols that put out 400nm at 2k rpm.

Ok, name a few diesels that rev (let alone pull strongly) at 7k rpm. Also while at it, name some 2L naturally aspirated petrol engines that put out 400nm at any RPM (let alone 2k).

 

[mini_cooper4]

Please guys reread what he wrote before this thread goes off-toppic
He meant there are no such engines and was being sarcastic

 

[Sunny]

^ok, hope that is what he meant.

 

[mini_cooper4]

idk if it's official
The TRD:

Toyota FT-86

PS: The article mentions a tuned brakes, adjustable suspension, new exhaust system and few other goodies from TRD.
HID front lights and as seen in pictures better looking rear lights. The rims are 18"

 

[Guibo]

Please guys reread what he wrote before this thread goes off-toppic
He meant there are no such engines and was being sarcastic

Fine, but that only reiterates my point: a diesel may match or beat the peak numbers, but that doesn't tell us if it's just as good in a car designed to be driven like a sports car. Thus we shouldn't be so hypercritical, if it's the driving experience that Toyota is striving for. They and Subaru have already explicitly said as much.

 

[NarutoRamen]

In those pics, the rear has a lot of the 370z vibe.

 

[Soup]

 

[Centurion]

That is the sexiest Toyota I have ever seen.