The new M Performance automobiles range


I think this should've been applied to the X5/6M. Those don't deserve the true M name. But I don't have an issue with this being in between true ///M and regular cars because to most of us ///M means RWD and fun, there is nothing fun about an AWD SUV...
 
It's hard not to giggle when your in an SUV which has just done 0 to 100mph in 10 seconds, so sorry to disagree but it is fun, just a different kind of fun.
 
This is true, completely forgot about that car.
But then again, it's success was minimal, and it's impact even less big...

Success was minimal cuz it had the wrong body..but AMG doin it again with big sedans and SUVs is a sure hit.
 
The M hierarchy:

M Sport (Package) < M Performance < M < M Competition / Special Edition < M CRT < M GTS < M GTx (GTR, GT2, GT4 etc)

:)

In my mind M Performance seems to kind of fall where the tii discussed a while back would be in the range. Maybe I don't get it. But I read the sharpness and precision of handling, visual differentiation, etc. without sacrificing the day to day usability of the vehicle. This seems to speak me of a hotter version of the N20 with more neutral handling and special exterior design, interior details... I'd gladly take that over some M?35i that has more power (but not too much so that it approaches a real M mind you). I have a 328i M-Sport and would gladly have a little more performance but I don't want a 335i. Of course I wish the F20 were coming to the US but I know that's not going to happen.

I am just rambling here but I am intrigued by this new range.
 
Having taken some time to read the press release, a few articles and the discussion that took place here, at GCF, I think it's time to write about my opinion:

I will start, not by saying if I like this move or not, but by identifying the gap between the top of the line regular BMW models and the respective M. It's a good sized gap, wide enough to fit an extra model and be even more competitive, both output and prise-wise. That said, what has to be decided is the character of the new model. Should it be closer to the M or the regular model?

Before focusing on BMW, let's see what MB and Audi do:

By looking at Mercedes Benz'es line-up, we see that there is no extra model between the top of the line X-Class and the AMG model. Yet, you can have an AMG badge in a regular MB, in the form of a visual upgrade.

In the Audi stable, the RS badge is only for RS cars. On the other hand, the gap between the regular A/Q_ model is bridged with an S model. There's the S-Line visual upgrades as well. Works well and doesn't mile the RS badge.

Now let's see BMW. By refusing to admit the existance of the XM twins, the M badge is so far, pure. The M-Pack visual upgrades are a nice addition to the regular models and they are still not a copy-paste work of the M models. This means that the M-Pack bumpers are different from the M bumpers, etc. About the gap: Bridging it horsepower wise, is relatively easy. But having in mind BMW's sporty past, it's kind of natural and logical that the gap will be bridged using a name of known sportiness and rich history. So the M letter was used.

Fact is that BMW could use other names as well. "Si" has worked wonders in the past and so has "iS". First was last used with the E30 320si, with the CF engine cover and the latter was last used with the first gen X5 4.8is, if I am not mistaken. Sporty combination of letters, but not as "powerfull" as the M letter.

Marketing wise and in any other perspective except the die-hard BMW fan's one, going M is the most logical move. But now the M letter is present not only in the form of visual upgrades and the top of the line model/legend, but in the name of the car that bridges the gap. Sure, it's here to sell, but overusing the M badge is really such a good idea?

That said, I fully understand the decision by the BMW board, to, once again, use the M letter, but as a BMW fan, I don't want to see everyone and his mother having, one way or an other, an M. M used to be special, whatever the form it came as, but now M is everywhere. I would prefer to see the gap getting bridged using the "is" or "si" naming, but I am most looking forward to seeing and experiencing the new M50d engine and whatever the 135M will be.

:t-cheers:

The big issue as well is that with M-Pack models available with over 400 HP and Twin Turbo's so easy to tune to grab another 100+ HP, and subtle visual differentiations, the "M" name is already, and will continue to see a decline in its strength through impression as it gets further diluted. If you look at an M-Pack'd 528i F10, you'll see ///M badges EVERYWHERE. Wheels, door sills, steering wheel, seats, etc. etc. This is the Marketing department milking the "M" name for everything its worth.
 
The big issue as well is that with M-Pack models available with over 400 HP and Twin Turbo's so easy to tune to grab another 100+ HP, and subtle visual differentiations, the "M" name is already, and will continue to see a decline in its strength through impression as it gets further diluted. If you look at an M-Pack'd 528i F10, you'll see ///M badges EVERYWHERE. Wheels, door sills, steering wheel, seats, etc. etc. This is the Marketing department milking the "M" name for everything its worth.

Doom and gloom. We get it by now K-A, it can't ever be something positive.


I think this should've been applied to the X5/6M. Those don't deserve the true M name.

No they don't deserve it :eusa_doh:
Both X5 M and X6 M are faster on a track than E60 M5, but who cares really?
 
If you think an M car involves just being fast then you have a lot to learn. It's about how you get there, not how quickly you get there.

Ah well. I happen to have driven the X5 M and think it's pretty fantastic.
Not my cup of tea but really really really impressive.
 
The big issue as well is that with M-Pack models available with over 400 HP and Twin Turbo's so easy to tune to grab another 100+ HP, and subtle visual differentiations, the "M" name is already, and will continue to see a decline in its strength through impression as it gets further diluted. If you look at an M-Pack'd 528i F10, you'll see ///M badges EVERYWHERE. Wheels, door sills, steering wheel, seats, etc. etc. This is the Marketing department milking the "M" name for everything its worth.

That definitely has truth to it. It reminds me of the old 335 vs E9X M3 debate since with aftermarket suspension bits and pieces 335 could perform as well or better than a bone stock M3 with Vishnu V3 turbo tuning. However, what truly no one could dispute was the character and experience of the BMW M3. How it responded, how it felt, how it sounded and how it communicated back to the driver, which even 335 owners admitted was untouchable by the 335 inspite of all the modifications and numbers.

Now, with the character being so diluted and similar engines and suspension bits being shared all across the board, it is all about whether you want a more expensive car tuned from factory or you want a cheaper model and do your own custom tuning to arrive to the similar type of experience.
 
I would like to share my insight on this, if that's ok.

I've driven many different BMW's throughout the years. Everything from an e92 328xi to an e60 M5 and my passion for BMW started in 1998, with my fathers 740i. Ever since then, I had been hooked on the feel of a BMW because nothing matched the way a BMW drove. You knew what was going on with the chassis at all times. The 740i for such a big car was an absolute blast in the corners. You wanted to drive it more and more. Back then if you saw an ///M badge on a car you knew the person behind the wheel knew he was driving something truly special. An M badge signaled 'Enthusiast'. No other badge could do that at the time.

Today, that's all changed. BMW has turned the M badge into some marketing campaign. M cars becoming heavier, and offering tech that's not really suppose to be on a car of this caliber. Weren't M car suppose to be 'Drivers cars'? Why would I need a system to keep me in my lane? Sorta contradicts itself. BMW making M cars heavier but advertising they're 'lighter'. Lighter then what? an 18 wheeler? The M5 weights 2 TONS! Then came the fact that they quit motorsport. This was the final nail in the coffin. F1 is a key factor when you're trying to build 'The Ultimate Driving Machine'. Your experiences and knowledge could always trickle down in to your performance division.

Mercedes-Benz enthusiasts look up to cars like the SLS, C63 AMG Black Series, and upcoming SLS Black Series . Audi enthusiasts look up to the RS6 and R8. BMW enthusiasts look up to.... wait, BMW doesn't have a car to match any of the above cars because they're too busy slapping ///M badges on a car like the 1M(As great as it may be, I'm sorry it's not a traditional M car, M cars have the letter M BEFORE the number.) The X5/X6 M and the now pathetic M Performance division. How the hell can BMW NOT have a business case for a car to rival the said mentioned cars but MBZ and Audi can?

BMW's naming also seemed to hit an all time low? What the hell is a Z4sDrive35i? or an X3xDrive35i? What's next? M335ixDrivePerformancedieselmodernline? I can see it now, 'BMW brings you the best of both worlds, An M3 car...now in 10 different flavors! M3 Modern, M3 Sport, M3 Luxury, M3 Diesel, M3 PerformanceDiesel, and M3 xDrive3.2iperformanceluxury'

This is where the problem is, I highly doubt MB will try to touch the AMG division in the states. If they do bring out a performance diesel(Even though MBZ does have a history already) I'm not sure they'll call it AMGC3504Matic. That's the difference between every other automobile manufacturer, and BMW right now. I'm sorry for the long rant.I have a deep passion for cars and it just pains me to see one of the most respectable badges going to waste.
 
That definitely has truth to it. It reminds me of the old 335 vs E9X M3 debate since with aftermarket suspension bits and pieces 335 could perform as well or better than a bone stock M3 with Vishnu V3 turbo tuning. However, what truly no one could dispute was the character and experience of the BMW M3. How it responded, how it felt, how it sounded and how it communicated back to the driver, which even 335 owners admitted was untouchable by the 335 inspite of all the modifications and numbers.

Now, with the character being so diluted and similar engines and suspension bits being shared all across the board, it is all about whether you want a more expensive car tuned from factory or you want a cheaper model and do your own custom tuning to arrive to the similar type of experience.

Totally agreed.

Btw, are Z4sDrive35i / X3xDrive35i really names? The naming is even getting ridiculous.

I just think BMW are so damn Marketing driven now. Taking an axe to the M name, by offering 3-4 different M variations makes it "M" no more. The company has become too greedy, simply put.
 
Ah well. I happen to have driven the X5 M and think it's pretty fantastic.
Not my cup of tea but really really really impressive.

Lucky you. :)

Tell me though. Would your opinion of it have been lower if it was called X5 60iS M Sport, yet it had exactly the same mechanicals and performance?
 
I can't wait for the new M335i F30 vs. M3 F80 debates we are going to hear of. One car will be powered by an N55 and the other by an S55. They will sound very similar, drive very similar, look very similar, only cost very different.
 
Where is it confirmed that the new M3 is internally designated F80?
 
^ Don't think it's officially confirmed, but it's safe to say the M3 sedan will be F80....Everybody is reporting it like that:

By Bimmer post user:

"Expected in 2013, the F80 M3 has been conducting road testing since the summer of 2011. Based on the same platform/chassis as the 2012 3 Series sedan (F30), the F80 M3 will powered by a turbocharged 6 cylinder engine."


Tell me though. Would your opinion of it have been lower if it was called X5 60iS M Sport, yet it had exactly the same mechanicals and performance?

Higher, even. Because then I could dream what a hypothetical X5 M would be like, if this X5 60iS M sport is already this good.....


I can't wait for the new M335i F30 vs. M3 F80 debates we are going to hear of. One car will be powered by an N55 and the other by an S55. They will sound very similar, drive very similar, look very similar, only cost very different.

Like a 550i vs an M5?
Sound very similar? No. Drive very similar? No. Look very similar? Yes. Cost very different? Sort of.
 
I can't wait for the new M335i F30 vs. M3 F80 debates we are going to hear of. One car will be powered by an N55 and the other by an S55. They will sound very similar, drive very similar, look very similar, only cost very different.

The 1M was not a 135i , just as the M5 is not a 550i. The M550d will not be an M5 , nor a 550i. In order for M Performance to work alongside M then you have to evolve the core "M" family but in a way that does not subtract everything that is characterised by a typical M Concept. At BMW we still believe in focusing on individuality that is why BMW's are highly successful in their segment. You cannot have the same repeated through each car.

M Performance will be used to answer some of the questions BMW M refuse to acknowledge. For example - "I need all wheel drive on my M5" , I want a Diesel M - Actually a most demanded question to M. The answer to that is the M550dxDrive - All wheel drive for when you need it and 381 BHP Performance from a Diesel.
And especially for Tax in mind Europeans - Greater efficiency and of course not as expensive as an M5.
 
M Performance will be used to answer some of the questions BMW M refuse to acknowledge.

I assume that there will not be an X5/X6 M in the next generation then? They'll be badged "M Performance"?

Ha ha!! Yeah, right. As has been constantly pointed out, BMW have made too much money off the X5/X6 M's, so they'll not forgo the huge profits that are there to be earned off two M SUV's. Nothing wrong with that, but what is annoying is the hypocrisy. All of a sudden M is holier than thou again. Where was this attitude a few years ago?
 

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