The new M Performance automobiles range

[hoffmeister_fan]

^^^Lot of good points.

Does BMW offer AWD....sorry, "Xdrive" on their other 5er in the UK? I am curious as to what the challenges the engineers were facing.

 

[ree]

Not bad not bad...looks fantastic!







381 hp and 740NM - but I don't think that anyone will reach the estimated consumption of 6,3L/100 km! Would love to get one of these monsters though. 0-100 km/h in 4.7 sec

 

[ateekt]

The front-end could've been more aggressive & the rims could've been more sporty. Nevertheless, a brilliant car with great figures!

I must say, loved that ///M emblem on the back. Finally something to cheer about in a diesel car!

 

[chonkoa]

Am I blind or is it my mediocre dutch

If I understand the picture correctly it says: M Performance TwinPower with a three-stage turbo incl. VTG.

Nothing about three turbos.

Three stage: each stage has at least a turbo, hence three stages will by definition have a minimum of three turbos.

 

[Sunny]

Martin the decision is that they feel the returns won't cover the investment to adapt to RWD that to me has everything to do with marketing.

So using your super duper logic, the reason we don't have a permanent base in moon is also "marketing"?

To every one else with iota of common sense it is obvious Martin was alluding to the underlying engineering reason. The same way why Mercedes doesn't offer GLK in UK either. Very different from purely marketing reasons like BMW's decision to not bring F10 touring to states or Audi's decision to offer only manual TT RS in the US. But then again, that is you, arguing for the sake of arguing and wasting other member's time and irritating the shit out of them instead of making a meaningful contribution to this forum in any way.

 

[Deckhook]

Sunny, you know at times I wonder why you reply to my posts at all, other then to get personal which again is very childish.

The TTRS, GLK, F11, etc are all to do with marketing among other things. For heaven sake we have argued long and hard about the manual M5 being offered solely in the states, a market that will account for far fewer numbers than adapting their M550 for all RHD markets. In Britain BMW want their saloon/estate cars to be associated driving appeal which in their opinion means RWD and the only AWD cars they want us to associate with are SUVs and this means X models, this is solely a marketing decision based on image rather than anything else.

 

[K-A]

Actually that is a cool badge. I made a remark about the badge looking like a clusterf*ck in the other Thread, but I was actually referring to the one on the "X" cars, not the 5er. The car, however, makes me fall asleep. Borring. Would have been nice if they did more to separate it from the M-Sport pack.

I think that those press pics are also terrible, and make the car probably look more dull than it really does. It has the presence of a 528i in regular trim to my eyes and senses there, I'm sure they could have spiced it up with some better lighting and angles.... seeing as how this is an "M" car and a performance car and all.

 

[Giannis]

Stay on topic, guys!

 

[Sunny]

Sunny, you know at times I wonder why you reply to my posts at all, other then to get personal which again is very childish.

The TTRS, GLK, F11, etc are all to do with marketing among other things. For heaven sake we have argued long and hard about the manual M5 being offered solely in the states, a market that will account for far fewer numbers than adapting their M550 for all RHD markets. In Britain BMW want their saloon/estate cars to be associated driving appeal which in their opinion means RWD and the only AWD cars they want us to associate with are SUVs and this means X models, this is solely a marketing decision based on image rather than anything else.

You flop around more than my junk in a pair of boxers. A post ago you were arguing BMW is not bringing AWD M550D to UK cause they didn't want to spend the money to adopt the AWD to RHD models, now it is a conscious decision to preserve the 'image' in the UK. You should seriously clear the cobwebs inside your head once a while.

 

[Deckhook]

Later in 2012 you will see an M750d and in early 2013 the M650d Coupe/Cabrio , Gran Coupe.

Your comments suggest that for the foreseeable future all M performance models will be at the upper end of the pricing scale and that they are all diesel. When can we expect to see an enchanted 335i with say 335hp?

Silly question but when they talk about none of its rivals are offering what M performance will give does this mean performance diesels or is its something the marketing guys thought sounded cool?

 

[Deckhook]

You flop around more than my junk in a pair of boxers. A post ago you were arguing BMW is not bringing AWD M550D to UK cause they didn't want to spend the money to adopt the AWD to RHD models, now it is a conscious decision to preserve the 'image' in the UK. You should seriously clear the cobwebs inside your head once a while.

Giannis has asked for all of us to say on topic so I'm refraining from continuing to discussion that will go nowhere fast.

 

[klier]

I think that those press pics are also terrible, and make the car probably look more dull than it really does. It has the presence of a 528i in regular trim to my eyes and senses there

Mission succeeded then I suppose. I mean, it's not a real M and people who are going to buy it will like the relatively low profile. And it's relative, because for the connoisseur it still stands out.

 

[K-A]

Makes sense and agreed.

 

[Deckhook]

Does anyone else feel that this whole M-performance branding was done so as to not destroy the heritage of M-Division proper?

Of course BMW will say this is nonsense but it's valid opinion when you think of the reaction the switch to turbo had to begin with, I think to inclusion of diesel might have been too hard of a pill to shallow.

 

[Beemer B773ER]

That would be one of a few legitimate reasons.

 

[as7920]

Does anyone else feel that this whole M-performance branding was done so as to not destroy the heritage of M-Division proper?

Of course BMW will say this is nonsense but it's valid opinion when you think of the reaction the switch to turbo had to begin with, I think to inclusion of diesel might have been too hard of a pill to shallow.

I'd have to agree.

No dogmas my 4r$e!

 

[chonkoa]

Does anyone else feel that this whole M-performance branding was done so as to not destroy the heritage of M-Division proper?
.

You mean whatever is left of the heritage..

 

[Levi68]

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I think it is the best sounding and the best revving diesel. I don't like diesel but I highly respect BMW's work. IMO BMW should participate in Le Mans and rival the Audi R15. Audi would no more be the leader.




Edit: Sorry for repost.

 

[Zafiro]

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[Deckhook]

I think it is the best sounding and the best revving diesel. I don't like diesel but I highly respect BMW's work. IMO BMW should participate in Le Mans and rival the Audi R15. Audi would no more be the leader.

I reckon everyone car enthusiast in the world would welcome BMW's return to LeMans, personally I think it's engines technology there has more direct effect on what we see in the cars we drive in the near future. No doubt Audi needs some proper competition here because for more than a decade they have been LeMans, the team to beat and seldom happens.