The new M Performance automobiles range

[Levi68]

The 1M was not a 135i , just as the M5 is not a 550i. The M550d will not be an M5 , nor a 550i. In order for M Performance to work alongside M then you have to evolve the core "M" family but in a way that does not subtract everything that is characterised by a typical M Concept. At BMW we still believe in focusing on individuality that is why BMW's are highly successful in their segment. You cannot have the same repeated through each car.

I think there will be too little difference between 335i, 335i M Sport, M335i and M3, especially all engines will be the "same" 3.0l I6. Afterall the 1M is just a 135i with powerkit and M3 suspension/LSD.

Will M Performance models at least get a LSD? If the M130i/135i doesn't get it, for me it is clearly BS. How many wanted LSD for their 335i and BMW Performance did not offer it.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Yes, I'm a miserable bastard.

 

[klier]

Oh, there have been a few people dreaming of a "hypothetical" X5 M for a long time.

Well, no need to dream anymore, I'd say...

I think there will be too little difference between 335i, 335i M Sport, M335i and M3, especially all engines will be the "same" 3.0l I6. Afterall the 1M is just a 135i with powerkit and M3 suspension/LSD.

Hahaha. Just when you think you've read enough BS, you read something like this.

That's it, I am going to put you on my ignore list. I've just about had enough nonsense now.

 

[Deckhook]

^ BMW might say this isn't true but the facts are that the 1M uses a 35iS engine and that they hunted the M3's parts bin, what Levi hasn't added was that none of these facts make the 1M an less of an M. But in a way the sharing of engines with normal models will lessen its appeal to some but unfortunately this is the car industry we are in today where cost cutting is the only way these products will ever reach the showroom.

 

[Zafiro]

I think there will be too little difference between 335i, 335i M Sport, M335i and M3, especially all engines will be the "same" 3.0l I6. Afterall the 1M is just a 135i with powerkit and M3 suspension/LSD.

Will M Performance models at least get a LSD? If the M130i/135i doesn't get it, for me it is clearly BS. How many wanted LSD for their 335i and BMW Performance did not offer it.

Standard 1-series comes equipped with some sort of LSD - Active Differential Brake (ADB-Sport), electronic differential lock in DSC-OFF mode

PS dont expect to see the same kind of LSD you find it M models into non M models. One of the stuff thats make a difference between a M and non M and its driving experience.

 

[K-A]

M550dxDrive.

Christ, man, with the big bucks the Marketing Dept get paid, can't they actually come up with something more clever than that clusterfrack of a mess of letters and numbers. That sounds absolutely awful.

Q: "What do you drive"?

A: "A BMW M550dxDrive".



If anyone needs a case study on badge-whoring and dilution:

335i, 335i M Sport, M335i and M3

Will there also be a M335ixDrive, and M335id and M335dxDrive?

 

[as7920]

Will there also be a M335ixDrive, and M335id and M335dxDrive?

I'm counting on it Don't forget to add touring to that.

Could be my next car! In lieu of M3.

 

[klier]

Q: "What do you drive"?

A: "A BMW M550dxDrive".

Such a great joke. You ARE a funny man!

 

[Levi68]

Will there also be a M335ixDrive, and M335id and M335dxDrive?

Well, no nothing is known, but anything can happen, except M3 CSL, Z4 M and Z2 of course.

 

[MathewBMW]

Well, even Scott says M135i will be an I6. I could be wrong and will then stop talking about the I4, but I still don't believe it, and Scott also is not always right.

Did you see the F20 125i? N20-powered and 218 PS. They created a huge gap between this 125i and the E82 135i.

We shall see this M125i (I don't suppose they'll call it M135i), a 270-280 PS version, with the 4-cylinder twin-scroll engine. There's no doubt about that. If they launch the N55 in a 1er Sporthatch or a 2er Coupé we'll see the fall of the 3er. 6-cylinder must be only available for the bigger brothers. We don't want to see a M135i with 320 PS*, a detuned version of the tri-turbocharged M3. 1er to 4er with almost the same powertrain?

If only we had the high-revving F1 engine's again (S85 and S65) there would be a big difference in buying a M335i and a M3. But they'll have to produce a V8 for competition, don't they? Same story of the E46 M3 GTR a couple of years ago.

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*And people thinking it's the E92 335is engine! That was the N54, so as the 740i! More likely the N55 from 640i.

 

[klier]

M3 GTR is a different story. That car was made in a very limited production because they weren't allowed to race with the GTR without a street legal road version of that car.

 

[Deckhook]

It's a shame M-Performance hadn't arrived earlier, then the SUVs could have been called that and we wouldn't have had all those whiners complaints that M-Division had sold out.

 

[klier]

That's something we can agree on for sure.

 

[Levi68]

Did you see the F20 125i? N20-powered and 218 PS. They created a huge gap between this 125i and the E82 135i.

We shall see this M125i (I don't suppose they'll call it M135i), a 270-280 PS version, with the 4-cylinder twin-scroll engine. There's no doubt about that. If they launch the N55 in a 1er Sporthatch or a 2er Coupé we'll see the fall of the 3er. 6-cylinder must be only available for the bigger brothers. We don't want to see a M135i with 320 PS*, a detuned version of the tri-turbocharged M3. 1er to 4er with almost the same powertrain?

If only we had the high-revving F1 engine's again (S85 and S65) there would be a big difference in buying a M335i and a M3. But they'll have to produce a V8 for competition, don't they? Same story of the E46 M3 GTR a couple of years ago.

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*And people thinking it's the E92 335is engine! That was the N54, so as the 740i! More likely the N55 from 640i.

Glad you are the first person that understands what I have been saying for so long already. Read THIS.

It's a shame M-Performance hadn't arrived earlier, then the SUVs could have been called that and we wouldn't have had all those whiners complaints that M-Division had sold out.

It is too late now.

 

[MathewBMW]

M3 GTR is a different story. That car was made in a very limited production because they weren't allowed to race with the GTR without a street legal road version of that car.

But that's my point. They didn't put the S54 in the GTR, but an unusual 4.0-litre V8 (P60). Because of the regulation BMW Motorsport created a few road going versions (10 units, I think). So for the F30/F80 (?) Motorsport version we'll see which engine? The future tri-turbocharged S55? Or a V8 again?

My question was the motive for killing the high-revving S65, if they continue to use one V8 in racing. Couldn't they improve its efficiency? Maybe a supercharged version? Or a bigger displacement, such as the E90 CRT and E92 GTS? I'd prefer a detuned S63Tü rather than a tri-turbocharged N55-derived. Again... 1er to 4er with almost the same powertrain. "By the pricking of my thumbs... something wrong this way comes"!

 

[klier]

My question was the motive for killing the high-revving S65, if they'll continue to use one in racing.

Because a couple of cars with a high revving NA engine for a racing team doesn't equal mass production for the average Joe?

 

[klier]

1er to 4er with almost the same powertrain. "By the pricking of my thumbs... something wrong this way comes"!

What is wrong? The I6 is featured in EVERY BMW model, and this is nothing new.

Or are you referring to the insane claims that the new M3 will have 'the same' powertrain as the 335i/135i? Or that the 1M is nothing but an 135i with some added power and an LSD?

 

[MathewBMW]

Because a couple of cars with a high revving NA engine for a racing team doesn't equal mass production for the average Joe?

Yes, maybe it's my deep feelings for the high-revving couple (S65 and S85). Let's hope and wait. I want this new M3/M4 to shine again. Munich won't disappoint us, I'm sure. The F10 M5 is now a success. And they really tried to copy a flat-plane crank V8, with some metallic V10 noises. It doesn't have that burbling noise, traditional to cross-plane crank V8.

What is wrong? The I6 is featured in EVERY BMW model, and this is nothing new.

Or are you referring to the insane claims that the new M3 will have 'the same' powertrain as the 335i/135i?

Yes, I was saying that. But let's face the history, the so-called E46 M3 (and CSL version) engines were based on the common versions. The E39 M5 was based on the 540i. Well, don't forget I'm a huge fan of the brand! I'm just trying to save the reputation of the M badge.

 

[klier]

Yes, I was saying that. But let's face the history, the so-called E46 M3 (and CSL version) engines were based on the common versions. The 'myth' E39 M5 was based on the 540i. Well, don't forget I'm a huge fan of the brand! I'm just trying to save the reputation of the M badge.

Amen, amen and AMEN!

Also, no need to try to save the reputation of the M brand on this forum. It's already lost, and there are die hard members here who keep going over and over the 'mistakes' M has made. It's like a sport really.

 

[MathewBMW]

Or that the 1M is nothing but an 135i with some added power and an LSD?

"(...) with the N54 derived from the Z4 sDrive35is, with rear suspension of... etc."

I've heard that story. I don't agree as well. The 1M is a unique car indeed. But my concern is with this sort of thing...