ID. Buzz The Electric VW ID BUZZ

[Deleted member 57437]

What!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Seems true.

There's a segment on this on the German nextmove website, in which factors such as high demand due to simultaneous market introduction in several key EV markets, supply chain related disruptions leading to repeated production moratoriums and shortages of vehicles...among other things.

Global current events seem to be throwing one spanner after another into the works of industry planning and economics. As if the pandemic wasn't enough, February 24th really managed to "put alot of bets off" and leave a good part of the automotive industry as well as consumers flying blind.

 

[Deleted member 57437]

Told you it's too expensive

I believe that 65K Euro was not the projected base price at the time of my comments. Alot of very troubling shit has gone down since then.

but you said that a lot of small businesses will use it as a commercial vehicle. Are still on this opinion?

I've mentioned in a later post that we are now confronted with a nebulous environment due to world events. "All bets are off" leaving many (including myself) clueless as to what may await. What I may have maintained, predicted, suspected prior to February 24th may now be worthy of nothing more than being tossed into the bin. What happens from here, not only pertaining to commercial demand for VW vehicles, I no longer have a clue.

And...

As the first post WWII Bundeskanzler Konrad Adenauer is reknown for stating: "Was kümmert mich mein Geschwätz von gestern ?".

 

[Deleted member 57437]

In further VW news:

The presentation of the upcoming production version of the "Aero B" electric sedan appears imminent.:

While information has yet to be disclosed regarding pricing, it is speculated that base prices will start at...

ONE MILLION EUROS ! BWAHAAHAAHAAHAA...BWAHAAHAAHAAHAA...BWAHAAHAAHAA.

 

[Centurion]

I believe that 65K Euro was not the projected base price at the time of my comments. Alot of very troubling shit has gone down since then.


I've mentioned in a later post that we are now confronted with a nebulous environment due to world events. "All bets are off" leaving many (including myself) clueless as to what may await. What I may have maintained, predicted, suspected prior to February 24th may now be worthy of nothing more than being tossed into the bin. What happens from here, not only pertaining to commercial demand for VW vehicles, I no longer have a clue.

And...

As the first post WWII Bundeskanzler Konrad Adenauer is reknown for stating: "Was kümmert mich mein Geschwätz von gestern ?".

I think the price is fair given that it's an extremely spacious EV. The VW transporter and California have strong residuals and I expect the same to be true for the ID Buzz

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

extremely spacious

We are on a totally different opinion here. It does not use the space efficiently. Too much space in front of the driver, that is completely lost.

 

[Centurion]

We are on a totally different opinion here. It does not use the space efficiently. Too much space in front of the driver, that is completely lost.

Is the bonnet too long?

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

Is the bonnet too long?

The seats are set backwards. They lose too much space. And the van version is only 5 seats with only 1000 l of luggage compartment. A Berlingo or a Caddy offer similar space for 1/3 of the price.

 

[klier]

Wow it looks so good !

Looks absolutely terrible considering what it's supposed to be after a decade of hype and pretty concepts. Slaughtered by the bean counters; it looks completely cheap in execution (which it is, the EV tech is what costs them dearly).

Oh well, on to the next horrible looking VW product. Only one left to like is the Polo.

 

[Deleted member 57437]

List price for the basic Cargo version will be approx. 45K Euros. As most will be leased, this may not pose that large of a problem. Add tax incentives for commercial business vehicles, predictably massive incentives for large fleets (Post AG, Bahn AG, armed forces, municipal and communal vehicles, etc...) and it could be quite the success after all.

My landlord is the proprietor of a larger industrial coatings firm which has a large pool of company vehicles, primarily Volkswagen commercial Caddys, Transporters and Crafters. It will be interesting to see whether he'll become a BUZZ Cargo customer.

 

[Giannis]

List price for the basic Cargo version will be approx. 45K Euros. As most will be leased, this may not pose that large of a problem. Add tax incentives for commercial business vehicles, predictably massive incentives for large fleets (Post AG, Bahn AG, armed forces, municipal and communal vehicles, etc...) and it could be quite the success after all.

My landlord is the proprietor of a larger industrial coatings firm which has a large pool of company vehicles, primarily Volkswagen commercial Caddys, Transporters and Crafters. It will be interesting to see whether he'll become a BUZZ Cargo customer.

Where's cost's the most important, if not the only, decisive factor, trends, funkiness, ideology and green culture don't matter.

Companies will go for what's cheaper.

 

[KiwiRob]

The seats are set backwards. They lose too much space. And the van version is only 5 seats with only 1000 l of luggage compartment. A Berlingo or a Caddy offer similar space for 1/3 of the price.

It there a BEV Berlingo or Caddy on the market?

 

[Deleted member 57437]

Where's cost's the most important, if not the only, decisive factor, trends, funkiness, ideology and green culture don't matter.

Companies will go for what's cheaper.

We'll be able to determine this soon enough-as advanced booking officially begins tomorrow in Germany. Especially interesting as times are currently economically challenging. Should initial order flows be good in this sub-optimal environment, then VW can be confident that they've presented a commercially/financially viable vehicle. If not, VW may have to go "primitivo" and present an electric commercial vehicle that is even far more rudimentary than the ID BUZZ Cargo.

 

[klier]

It there a BEV Berlingo or Caddy on the market?

This new Buzz is indeed on the level of those (terrible) cars. It really does look like a slightly more modern successor to the Caddy.

And regarding your question, I'm sure you've already Googled it. Shouldn't be overly complicated.

 

[klier]

In further VW news:

The presentation of the upcoming production version of the "Aero B" electric sedan appears imminent.:

Don't know why completely off topic cars are shown here, but it looks like we've found the next horrible VW. Jesus that looks bad!

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

List price for the basic Cargo version will be approx. 45K Euros. As most will be leased, this may not pose that large of a problem. Add tax incentives for commercial business vehicles, predictably massive incentives for large fleets (Post AG, Bahn AG, armed forces, municipal and communal vehicles, etc...) and it could be quite the success after all.

My landlord is the proprietor of a larger industrial coatings firm which has a large pool of company vehicles, primarily Volkswagen commercial Caddys, Transporters and Crafters. It will be interesting to see whether he'll become a BUZZ Cargo customer.

List price for the cargo is 54 k. And it and the van do not have a Navi in the base prices.

 

[Deleted member 57437]

List price for the cargo is 54 k.

I was referring to price after deducting incentives (which is more relevant, after all). Sorry for the confusion.

 

[J.E]

It there a BEV Berlingo or Caddy on the market?

Yes.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

I was referring to price after deducting incentives (which is more relevant, after all). Sorry for the confusion.

But some of the incentives are valid only till the end of the year, while simultaniously no manufacturer currently can guarantee you that they will succeed to deliever the vehicle this year.

 

[Deleted member 57437]

But some of the incentives are valid only till the end of the year, while simultaniously no manufacturer currently can guarantee you that they will succeed to deliever the vehicle this year.

That's true.

The issue of the future of incentives appears to have become "fluid". There are various initiatives promoting an extention. Whether they will be successful or not remains unclear.

 

[Human]

I can't see EV's having good resale values ?

One thing is for sure that here in South Africa ?? the EV mass market is 5x centuries away. We have load shedding every day as ESKOM our state owned enterprise cannot keep up with demand.
No money to save ESKOM and our road infrastructure is deteriorating to the point of total destruction within the next 24 months in 90% of all rural areas country wide. Independent survey done on the mayor N5 National Road identified 11 000 potholes of wich 30% are more than 300mm deep. The N5 records 9000 vehicles per day as they cross over through the tolgate to the N3 National Road. Pothole related accidents killed 982 SA citizens in 2021.
Time to Leave Earth ?