Official Thread The Audi e-tron quattro concept at the IAA 2015

[SKY]

Hmm... After some time to diggest it, I think I dislike the front. Especially the octogonal grille. The shape and the "graphics" are totally excesive.

 

[Giannis]

It's a yawn fest.

Audi should stop recycling a certain design language that is currently being spent with pointless concepts after pointless concepts. They should either put it in use and show us a damn production car that doesn't look like a half-arsed facelift (yes, B9 A4, I'm talking to you) or stop bothering us.

Seriously, it's just lazy!

 

[SKY]

It's a yawn fest.

Audi should stop recycling a certain design language that is currently being spent with pointless concepts after pointless concepts. They should either put it in use and show us a damn production car that doesn't look like a half-arsed facelift (yes, B9 A4, I'm talking to you) or stop bothering us.

Seriously, it's just lazy!

The key cars are going to be A8, A7 and A6. If those don't mean a true step forwards in terms of design for the brand, well... I will lose hope.

 

[Fido]

The key cars are going to be A8, A7 and A6. If those don't mean a true step forwards in terms of design for the brand, well... I will lose hope.

Audi A8 will be one bigger A4 B9. I don't hope one revolution in the design for A8, A7 and A6. I think those models will be one evolution more from a bored design.

 

[KiwiRob]

The Germans are probably still figuring out a way to design and build a network of charging stations, and create some kind of common standards so cars from different manufacturers can use the same chargers. On top of that they will have to decide who is going to build them and find a way to prevent this from a loss making exercise.

Tesla have open sourced there super charger design, so why not use that? No point in her Germans reinventing the wheel when the wheel is already being rolled out across all the major markets, at someone elses expense.

If this is the shape of things to come for the Q line. Then I see a very thorough and drastic facelift for the Q7 in the future. That three dimension grille might work on a sketch pad but not in its execution same goes for the Q3 also.

I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with the Q7 design, when you see in on the road it looks significantly better than in the picture's, it also has by far and away the best interior in it's class, it leaves the X5 and XC90 for dead.

 

[KiwiRob]

It's a yawn fest.

Audi should stop recycling a certain design language that is currently being spent with pointless concepts after pointless concepts. They should either put it in use and show us a damn production car that doesn't look like a half-arsed facelift (yes, B9 A4, I'm talking to you) or stop bothering us.

Seriously, it's just lazy!

The Bavarians are playing it cautious, for instance the G11 looks like a facelifted F01, ditto for the F30, it's a modernised E90, the F15 barely advances on the E70 design. I blieve they do this in part because buyers like it and it also helps the resale value of the older model because its not instantly outdated.

 

[Giannis]

The Bavarians are playing it cautious, for instance the G11 looks like a facelifted F01, ditto for the F30, it's a modernised E90, the F15 barely advances on the E70 design. I blieve they do this in part because buyers like it and it also helps the resale value of the older model because its not instantly outdated.

BMW are no design-saints either.

The only difference is that when it comes to concept, Audi serves us a reheated dinner every couple of months. They've showed us exactly the same design language, interior and exterior, in sedan, coupe, SUV and sportscar type of form.

BMW play it differently. They either show extravagant concepts like that 3.0 Hommage CSL, or almost production ready ones. They rarely reheat (only with the concepts that foreboded the i8) and they deliver.

The important thing that needs to be clarified here is that I am not talking about production models. I'm only talking about concept cars.

 

[SKY]

I think I am going to stop looking at it because everytime I do I like this concept less and less.

The front end on the premiere video looks hideous.

 

[Mr Robert]

The exterior is, well, passable at best, but I have hopes for the technology.

 

[SDNR]

It's a yawn fest.

Audi should stop recycling a certain design language that is currently being spent with pointless concepts after pointless concepts. They should either put it in use and show us a damn production car that doesn't look like a half-arsed facelift (yes, B9 A4, I'm talking to you) or stop bothering us.

Seriously, it's just lazy!

I agree Giannis.

Actually, all of this faceted detailing and angularity has been done to death (and better) by other manufacturers (namely Cadillac and Lamborghini)
It started in the mid 1990s ....and there is not much new or useful to be found there.

1995 Ford GT90

I think Porsche and Mercedes are closer to where the next big trend is happening .....soft organic forms that transmorph to improve the aerodynamic performance of the vehicle.

 

[JHF]

 

[KiwiRob]

I think Porsche and Mercedes are closer to where the next big trend is happening .....soft organic forms that transmorph to improve the aerodynamic performance of the vehicle.

We had those in the 80's.

 

[SDNR]

We had those in the 80's.

Retro stuff there Rob.

I guess the word "soft" was not well chosen. I don't see this as a return to softer shapes purely for the sake of aesthetics but rather as very deliberate and purposeful forms that play an active and adaptive role in the vehicle's performance.

Rather than Rounded edges and volumous forms .....we are seeing tighter, more dynamic designs.

 

[DjordjeC63]

Those sharp corners remind me of Lamborghini.

 

[JHF]

The Future Is Here: Audi e-tron quattro Concept Arrives at Audi Forum Neckarsulm

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/t...arrives-at-audi-forum-neckarsulm-101331.html#

 

[SKY]

Like the overall proportions and the new interior concept. But strongly dislike the linked rearlights and the fugly grille.

 

[JHF]

Audi h-tron quattro concept revealed at Detroit motor show
New SUV-based Audi concept features next-generation hydrogen fuel cell technology and is planned to reach production in 2020

Audi has continued its roll-out of alternative drive concepts with the unveiling of the h-tron quattro at the Detroit motor show.

The new model is billed as a production-relevant hydrogen fuel cell SUV that draws heavily on the contemporary platform structure, electric drivetrain architecture and battery technology of the earlier e-tron quattro concept.

Promising zero-emissiosn compatibility, a refuelling time of just four minutes using the latest in hydrogen fuelling technology and a creditable 373-mile range, the four-wheel-drive concept is also claimed to have a 0-62mph time of less than seven seconds, a restricted 124mph top speed and the ability to run in front-wheel drive mode at typical urban speeds.

The h-tron quattro has been created to showcase a fifth-generation fuel cell stack under development at Audi’s Ingolstadt engineering headquarters in Germany. It is tentatively planned for introduction on a production version of the h-tron quattro in 2020.

The new fuel cell stack is fuelled by hydrogen held in three carbonfibre-reinforced plastic, 700bar tanks, one in the space of the traditional transmission tunnel and smaller ones mounted across the car beneath the rear seat and the boot floor and offering a combined capacity of 6kg. The stack consists of 330 individual cells and develops a nominal 110kW (148bhp) of electricity.

Developed to operate at up to 95deg C (an increase of 15deg on the fourth-generation fuel cell stack used in the Audi A7 h-tron prototype driven by Autocar in Los Angeles in 2014), the latest stack is mounted up front underneath the bonnet in the space traditionally taken up by the combustion engine on existing Audi models and has been conceived to operate in temperatures as low as -28deg C.

Described as being lighter, smaller, stronger and more economical than the unit it replaces, the new fuel cell stack is claimed to boast an efficiency rating of up to 60% – more than double that of a typical combustion engine.

One key development being touted by Audi is the reduction in the amount of platinum used in its production, making it cheaper and more environmentally friendly. A newly conceived heat pump is also claimed to absorb waste heat more efficiently, reducing the typical heat build-up within the interior associated with early fuel cell prototypes.

In combination with a relatively small 1.8kWh lithium ion battery mounted within the floor in the middle of the passenger compartment that provides an additional boost of 100kW (134bhp) for short periods, the fuel cell stack is claimed to provide the h-tron quattro with a range of up to 373 miles. All up, the battery is claimed to weigh just 60kg.

While the fuel cell operates at between 220 and 280 volts, the battery can run between 220 and 480 volts. A DC converter mounted within the engine compartment is used to equalise the difference, providing electrical energy to a pair of electric motors – one mounted within the front axle assembly with 90kW (121bhp) and another on the rear axle producing up to 140kW (188bhp). Each electric motor has its own single-speed planetary gearset, which acts as a differential.

The set-up differs from that used by the earlier all-electric e-tron quattro, which featured three electric motors – one up front and two at the rear - as well as a much larger lithium ion battery with a capacity of 95kWh.

All up, the h-tron quattro boasts a combined system output of 210kW, or 282bhp, along with what Audi describes as system torque of 406lb ft. This compares with the 370kW (496bhp) and 435lb ft of the significantly heavier but more aerodynamic e-tron quattro.

It is sufficient, according to Audi’s figures, to provide the four-seat concept with a theoretical 0-62mph time of less than seven seconds and 124mph top speed. By comparison, the e-tron quattro has respective figures of 4.6sec and 131mph.

The driver can influence the amount of energy recuperated on a trailing throttle by selecting one of two modes: gliding or coasting. Fuel consumption is put at around one kilogram per 62 miles.

Underpinning the new Audi is a modified version of the MLB platform from the upcoming second-generation Q5. It has been reworked with an altered floorpan and structural elements to accommodate the batteries low down for the best possible centre of gravity.

The suspension - a five-link design both front and rear - features air springs with both adaptive damping and a self-levelling function to automatically lower the body in two stages by up to 30mm for improved aerodynamic efficiency at constant motorway speeds.

Drawing on developments brought to the latest Q7, the h-tron quattro also adopts four-wheel steering with up to 5deg of movement on the rear wheels to reduce the turning circle and aid manoeuvrability at lower speeds around town while increasing agility at higher speeds.

Stretching to 4880mm in length, 1930mm in width and 1540mm in height, the e-tron quattro is 250mm longer, 30mm wider and 115mm lower than the existing first-generation Q5.

While the drag coeffiicent of 0.27 beats that of existing Audi models, it fails to match the 0.25 of the e-tron quattro due to the requirement for additional cooling for the fuel cell stack at the front end.

The interior of the h-tron quattro draws heavily on the design originally unveiled on the Prologue concept at last year’s Los Angeles motor show. It provides seating for up to four, with two individual seats front and rear.

Among the highlights is a trio of OLED displays, as planned for the fourth-generation A8 due out in 2017. Boot space is put at 500 litres – 115 litres less than the e-tron quattro due to the packaging of the hydrogen tanks.

Giving a glimpse at the sort of autonomous driving technology we can expect to see on future Audi models, the h-tron quattro comes equipped with all the various technologies the German car maker has developed as part of its so-called Piloted Driving research programme, including radar sensors, stereo cameras, ultrasonic sensors and a laser scanner.

All systems are controlled in a central driver system known as zFAS. It computes a complete model of the concept car’s surroundings in real time and makes the information available to the assistance system. They then carry out various driving tasks at speeds of up to 37mph.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/m...n-quattro-concept-revealed-detroit-motor-show

 

[Rainer271]

I didn't want create a new thread and therefore I have posted it here.
AutoBild is calling this model C e-tron and it could be a competitor to the rumored Mercedes SEC and BMW 9-Series.
It shall be a 4-door coupe and could go into the sale as A9. I know there is a A9-thread but that one is closed.

I'm absolute enthusiastic about this design. I know it's all rumored and maybe fantasizes. But it's nice to dream.

 

[Deleted member 1071]

I didn't want create a new thread and therefore I have posted it here.
AutoBild is calling this model C e-tron and it could be a competitor to the rumored Mercedes SEC and BMW 9-Series.
It shall be a 4-door coupe and could go into the sale as A9. I know there is a A9-thread but that one is closed.

I'm absolute enthusiastic about this design. I know it's all rumored and maybe fantasizes. But it's nice to dream.

...and I sincerely hope that this is an accurate indication regarding the appearance of the Marc Lichte design future large Audi sedans and Avants. It is simply sublime. And would make a stellar A8.

 

[donkeykong]

I didn't want create a new thread and therefore I have posted it here.
AutoBild is calling this model C e-tron and it could be a competitor to the rumored Mercedes SEC and BMW 9-Series.
It shall be a 4-door coupe and could go into the sale as A9. I know there is a A9-thread but that one is closed.

I'm absolute enthusiastic about this design. I know it's all rumored and maybe fantasizes. But it's nice to dream.

Normally renders of theoretical cars are all junk,but that looks amazing. Autobild is one of the more accurate publications when it comes to making renders,I hope they are right about this one.