The Apple vs. Samsung Thread

[K-A]

Can you honestly prevent a former employee from bringing his knowledge and skills gained from his previous job and apply it to his new job? He was hired because of his qualifications and experience. Unless his previous contract specifically says he cannot work for a competitor within 12 months of leaving his current job, he can do whatever he wants. These sorts of personnel changes occurs very frequently between motor sport teams and they seems to work out just fine, they know the rules of the game.


Yes you did have an android phone, but you need a few days and some research to get the best out of what you have, initially it is not as user friendly but once you know your way around it you can change it to exactly the way you wanted it appreciate the degree of freedom you have, but judging from what you have posted already, you are not that type of phone user.


I have never doubt Apple's achievement in successfully creating this segment single handedly, but this patent war is about technical innovations and the argument was that the were evidences of prior art for a number of Apple's patents. I think there is a confusion between excellent implementation and genuine invention. On paper the Samsung SII and SIII phones have superior hardware specifications than the iphone4s and these phones do perform better in real life tests and reviews.

1: Schmidt wasn't an "employee" per-se, he was brought onto the board, trusted with Apple's secrets. If you look at those articles depicting the beginning of "Apple VS Google", Jobs' biggest mistake was underestimating another companies head from all of a sudden going from "totally different than Apple", to "hey, Apple's making a killing and I know their secrets, let me quit and let's take them head on". Apple and Google had a mutually beneficial partnership before, but Google was the one who wanted to initiate war. The fact that they wanted a head start by trying to make Android a monopoly by way of being the "generic OS of the world", showed how serious they were in taking Apple down, fast. The funny thing is, as far as an OS, Google spends money to develop Android, but gives it away for FREE. They make no money off of it, but have an approach to monopolize the market with it due to that. Of course that would piss of Jobs and co. who put their life's blood into IOS/iPhone.

2: I did find some things frustrating at first, simple things that took me a while to figure out, which helped me get over the OS quickly. I don't doubt that it's a great OS, and I don't doubt that the latest iterations are more savvy than IOS, but what I am arguing is that it really should be.... because I believe it's a copy of IOS initially, which used Apple's leadership and R&D efforts to simply expand on what Apple initiated. Now the big question is, can Apple prove they stole intellectual property from them? Yes and no, so far. The thing about Schmidt going behind Apple's back as you said won't hold up in court, but it's out there and obvious. Yes, I'm not a "tech whizz", so Apple's approach is perfect for me. Easy, simple, closed system that guarantees only the top Apps, that guarantees no corruptive 3rd party sources. Everything is seamless if you use Apple's eco-system.

3: I do understand that the GSIII is a technically superior phone than the 4S. It should be since it's brand new and the 4S is a 2 year old product. I do think that the bulkier plastic Samsung isn't close to the "jewel" like look and feel of the 4S, and I do think that the iPhone's dimensions make it more versatile as a *phone* and all around device, which I feel is why it will always attract a more wide segment of people. The GSIII, however, is still a continuation of the line of phones that were invented solely as copies to the iPhone, which is why Apple is going after it. Don't forget that it still copied some "innovations" from the warmed over iPhone 4 that is the 4S, which is its own attempt at "SIRI", etc.

Apple really does need to come hard with the iPhone 5. I have no arguments about that. I hope that they don't focus solely on the "morale" route of proving that their competition exists solely to imitate and steal from them, by way of also working on crushing their competition with actual product specs at the same time. It'll be an upset if Apple remains ignorant to what Samsung DOES bring to the table, solely because they're blatant Apple thieves (I mean, really, that evidence presented against Samsung in court was incredibly damning, aside from what we already can see/know from the beginning).

 

[Bruce]

Apple "fanboys" barely exist...

Don't know about that dude. I happen to know many, many Apple fanboys. The worst actually being - of all people - my mom. Quite hilarious, but really, she is as bad as they get when it comes to Apple loving. She loves them blindly. So much so that she blatantly refuses to accept that not only that other smart phones exist, but that there are ones with comparable technology. It's like walking around with a walking and talking Apple advert - and yes she owns a ton of products. Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.


But that's aside from the point...I really have struggled to stay away from this thread and any discussion pertaining to the subject, but the whole thing has gotten a little ridiculous. I totally understand why Apple is sueing, without a doubt, but at the same token can't help but feel it's unjust.

Have Samsung (and other Android products) copied Apple designs? Most certainly. I wouldn't even debate it, but clearly too (as noted with the notification drag-down menu) have Apple copied technology design from Android. Now maybe or maybe not this whole lawsuit is justifiable but... The whole problem is where does it stop? At this rate, everyone should be suing everyone for everything. I mean, christ, every design or every feature on most anything has been copied or reinvented from something else. As one quote above said with regard to GM suing Ford...I mean, really. Jesus. By this rate then we should have Sony taking litigation on Microsoft for making a gaming system with online connectivity that uses CD-rom games and has a system capable of running CD's, DVD's, etc. Or what about every car maker that followed with airbags or sequential transmissions after the first to do so. How about a Porcupine Tree song striking resemblance (and evidently purposely) to a Pink Floyd song of many decades earlier? Or Nintendo being the first to introduced motion-controlled games and the others systems following afterwards. The problem is that there are so many supposed 'patents' that have never been filed that it's become down right ridiculous. Where do you draw the line? It we were to go through history recollecting the inspiration and copies we'd never be anywhere.

I understand and respect the lawsuit. I understand why it's been initiated, but for the love of christ, I don't agree with pulling those particular Samsung products from the market. The payout is one thing, but pulling products entirely from the shelf seems a little daft. The only reason that this particular case has even risen is because we are talking about billions and billions of dollars in an open market. This is intellectual technological warfare in an industry that is only getting bigger with time. Evidently Apple feels threatened by Samsung...that just shows how good the phone is. If it truly had no good features then no one would buy it - but they do. Do remember, a Galaxy 3 doesn't really cost any more or less than an iPhone - neither do any of the other smart phones. If it were a simply copy - and a similarly priced product - would people not just buy the iPhone? I mean after all, Apple and its many products have established a prestige nameplate within the market. Why buy a Samsung over it? Let's face it, because it's freaking good. There may be some resemblances with regards to technological features, but I am curious of how many people have actually tried/owned both an Apple and Android product?

I happen to own an HTC Android powered phone, and an Apple iPad tablet. And as far as I can tell, though the two operating system's share certain features they are by-in-large nothing like at all. Seriously. The way they operate is entirely different from one another. I honestly think both of these products have something to offer — which one is preferred better is entirely up to the consumer. Personally, I like both of them equally - for different reasons. Certain things are much better with Android, whilst some features are much slicker on Apple.

 

[K-A]

Don't know about that dude. I happen to know many, many Apple fanboys. The worst actually being - of all people - my mom. Quite hilarious, but really, she is as bad as they get when it comes to Apple loving. She loves them blindly. So much so that she blatantly refuses to accept that not only that other smart phones exist, but that there are ones with comparable technology. It's like walking around with a walking and talking Apple advert - and yes she owns a ton of products. Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.


But that's aside from the point...I really have struggled to stay away from this thread and any discussion pertaining to the subject, but the whole thing has gotten a little ridiculous. I totally understand why Apple is sueing, without a doubt, but at the same token can't help but feel it's unjust.

Have Samsung (and other Android products) copied Apple designs? Most certainly. I wouldn't even debate it, but clearly too (as noted with the notification drag-down menu) have Apple copied technology design from Android. Now maybe or maybe not this whole lawsuit is justifiable but... The whole problem is where does it stop? At this rate, everyone should be suing everyone for everything. I mean, christ, every design or every feature on most anything has been copied or reinvented from something else. As one quote above said with regard to GM suing Ford...I mean, really. Jesus. By this rate then we should have Sony taking litigation on Microsoft for making a gaming system with online connectivity that uses CD-rom games and has a system capable of running CD's, DVD's, etc. Or what about every car maker that followed with airbags or sequential transmissions after the first to do so. How about a Porcupine Tree song striking resemblance (and evidently purposely) to a Pink Floyd song of many decades earlier? Or Nintendo being the first to introduced motion-controlled games and the others systems following afterwards. The problem is that there are so many supposed 'patents' that have never been filed that it's become down right ridiculous. Where do you draw the line? It we were to go through history recollecting the inspiration and copies we'd never be anywhere.

I understand and respect the lawsuit. I understand why it's been initiated, but for the love of christ, I don't agree with pulling those particular Samsung products from the market. The payout is one thing, but pulling products entirely from the shelf seems a little daft. The only reason that this particular case has even risen is because we are talking about billions and billions of dollars in an open market. This is intellectual technological warfare in an industry that is only getting bigger with time. Evidently Apple feels threatened by Samsung...that just shows how good the phone is. If it truly had no good features then no one would buy it - but they do. Do remember, a Galaxy 3 doesn't really cost any more or less than an iPhone - neither do any of the other smart phones. If it were a simply copy - and a similarly priced product - would people not just buy the iPhone? I mean after all, Apple and its many products have established a prestige nameplate within the market. Why buy a Samsung over it? Let's face it, because it's freaking good. There may be some resemblances with regards to technological features, but I am curious of how many people have actually tried/owned both an Apple and Android product?

I happen to own an HTC Android powered phone, and an Apple iPad tablet. And as far as I can tell, though the two operating system's share certain features they are by-in-large nothing like at all. Seriously. The way they operate is entirely different from one another. I honestly think both of these products have something to offer — which one is preferred better is entirely up to the consumer. Personally, I like both of them equally - for different reasons. Certain things are much better with Android, whilst some features are much slicker on Apple.

Haha, that's funny about your mom (she has good taste ).

I really think the infamous "Apple fanboy" has been replaced by the "Rabid anti-Apple Android fanboy", or "iHater". If you go to ANY comment sections on the Internet, people are vicious against Apple, they tout Android as if it wasn't something that was a direct copy or "inspiration" of IOS to begin with (Schmidt wouldn't have thought up going forth with Android, at least in the form we saw it as, if IOS didn't show him the way). Yet, Apple has legions of fans who buy them at rates vastly ahead of any. That tells me that Apple fanboys have either graduated to getting off the internet boards, or they're heavily outweighed by "Rabid anti-Apple iHater Fandroids". The problem here is, these people don't care that Samsung stole from Apple, they don't care if they're buying Apple's Intellectual Property with a Samsung badge.... as long as it's not Apple, they'll buy it.... even if it's Apple's ideas. These people don't have a passion for "Samsung" who makes so many low end devices it's impossible for the company itself to have a "halo cachet", aside from the fact that Samsung is anti-Apple #1.... so "these people" will look past any wrongdoings and support them.

As for the GSIII outperforming the 4S. Definitely agreed, but like I said, this is part of Apple's whole lawsuit. Tim Cook said: "Competition is good, but it's not fair for us to be the R&D for the world, people need to invent their own stuff". The way it really is, is that Apple's poured everything they had into *creating these new segments*, putting the pieces of the puzzle together to revolutionize the consumer industry. Of course Samsung will release an improved product afterwards, if they're remotely competent.... they just used Apple's R&D and blood/sweat/tears as a basis, and then invested in extra features. That's the whole lawsuit (and we have Emails and statements from top Samsung execs to prove it).

Apple created one of the most profitable segments ever, they need to protect it viciously. Them trying to pull Samsung copy products just tells everybody "don't f*** with us, we're not playing around". Apple needs to protect the profit margins in their "invented" segments and/or ideas, or else Samsung will do to them what they've done to every other innovator (like Sony), which is ride their coat tails and copy them so viciously, they squeeze everyone else out of any profits whatsoever.

Apple knows that either they will suffer the fate of all those other tech companies that get squeezed out by imitators, or they have to take chances by suing the crap out of anybody else to protect what's theirs and continue to allow them the inspiration to even want to innovate going forward. That's how I see it.

 

[Monster]

1: Schmidt wasn't an "employee" per-se, he was brought onto the board, trusted with Apple's secrets. If you look at those articles depicting the beginning of "Apple VS Google", Jobs' biggest mistake was underestimating another companies head from all of a sudden going from "totally different than Apple", to "hey, Apple's making a killing and I know their secrets, let me quit and let's take them head on". Apple and Google had a mutually beneficial partnership before, but Google was the one who wanted to initiate war. The fact that they wanted a head start by trying to make Android a monopoly by way of being the "generic OS of the world", showed how serious they were in taking Apple down, fast. The funny thing is, as far as an OS, Google spends money to develop Android, but gives it away for FREE. They make no money off of it, but have an approach to monopolize the market with it due to that. Of course that would piss of Jobs and co. who put their life's blood into IOS/iPhone.

The article you have posted are highly biased towards Apple, plus it is from Gizmodo, so it is extremely difficult for me to consider it as a credible source of information. The basic events are true but it can do without the biased overtone. Google follows their own business model, and Apple has their own too, there is nothing wrong with that.

2: I did find some things frustrating at first, simple things that took me a while to figure out, which helped me get over the OS quickly. I don't doubt that it's a great OS, and I don't doubt that the latest iterations are more savvy than IOS, but what I am arguing is that it really should be.... because I believe it's a copy of IOS initially, which used Apple's leadership and R&D efforts to simply expand on what Apple initiated. Now the big question is, can Apple prove they stole intellectual property from them? Yes and no, so far. The thing about Schmidt going behind Apple's back as you said won't hold up in court, but it's out there and obvious. Yes, I'm not a "tech whizz", so Apple's approach is perfect for me. Easy, simple, closed system that guarantees only the top Apps, that guarantees no corruptive 3rd party sources. Everything is seamless if you use Apple's eco-system.

I can't really comment on this either without knowing more information, but if earlier versions of Android was a copy of IOS, then why isn't Apple going after Google and Android, so far it is only going after Samsung. As for your reasons of using the iphone over android based phone, they are perfectly valid reasons and I will agree Apple is still more polished than Android in this area.

3: I do understand that the GSIII is a technically superior phone than the 4S. It should be since it's brand new and the 4S is a 2 year old product. I do think that the bulkier plastic Samsung isn't close to the "jewel" like look and feel of the 4S, and I do think that the iPhone's dimensions make it more versatile as a *phone* and all around device, which I feel is why it will always attract a more wide segment of people. The GSIII, however, is still a continuation of the line of phones that were invented solely as copies to the iPhone, which is why Apple is going after it. Don't forget that it still copied some "innovations" from the warmed over iPhone 4 that is the 4S, which is its own attempt at "SIRI", etc.

Well you need to ask Apple why didn't they put more resources behind the 4S, it is a 2 year old product because Apple allow it to be. The competition has increased the rate of development extremely rapidly over the past 20 months and Apple has been caught out. The GSIII is selling very well so millions of people out there are happy with it. The GSIII looks nothing like the the iphone and the so called "innovations" aren't really "innovations" as I have explained it to you in a different thread. Google/Andorid came up with voice recognition/ command function a few years ago, basically what Apple has done in addition to that was to link their voice function to Wolfarm Alpha, 'humanize' this function by giving it a name, throw in a slick marketing campaign and you have got yourself an 'innovation'.

Apple really does need to come hard with the iPhone 5. I have no arguments about that. I hope that they don't focus solely on the "morale" route of proving that their competition exists solely to imitate and steal from them, by way of also working on crushing their competition with actual product specs at the same time. It'll be an upset if Apple remains ignorant to what Samsung DOES bring to the table, solely because they're blatant Apple thieves (I mean, really, that evidence presented against Samsung in court was incredibly damning, aside from what we already can see/know from the beginning).

The iphone 5 needs to be quite something because Samsung, LG and HTC have some killer hardware lined up for their next generation of phones. As for this Samsung vs Apple court case, we just have to agree to disagree.

I really think the infamous "Apple fanboy" has been replaced by the "Rabid anti-Apple Android fanboy", or "iHater". If you go to ANY comment sections on the Internet, people are vicious against Apple, they tout Android as if it wasn't something that was a direct copy or "inspiration" of IOS to begin with (Schmidt wouldn't have thought up going forth with Android, at least in the form we saw it as, if IOS didn't show him the way). Yet, Apple has legions of fans who buy them at rates vastly ahead of any. That tells me that Apple fanboys have either graduated to getting off the internet boards, or they're heavily outweighed by "Rabid anti-Apple iHater Fandroids". The problem here is, these people don't care that Samsung stole from Apple, they don't care if they're buying Apple's Intellectual Property with a Samsung badge.... as long as it's not Apple, they'll buy it.... even if it's Apple's ideas.

From my personal experience, the iphone users I know are not really into their electrical gadgets or tech savvy. They just want a phone that has everything set up for them. This may explain why they aren't that active on the forums, and they definitely aren't bothered or care about this court case.

These people don't have a passion for "Samsung" who makes so many low end devices it's impossible for the company itself to have a "halo cachet", aside from the fact that Samsung is anti-Apple #1.... so "these people" will look past any wrongdoings and support them.

Samsung makes more than just phones as you know, it is one of the leading household and electric goods company in the world. They also have involvements in bio medical technologies. The GSIII is also selling very well so I doubt Samsung is harming itself by offering low end devices for people who want just that.

As for the GSIII outperforming the 4S. Definitely agreed, but like I said, this is part of Apple's whole lawsuit. Tim Cook said: "Competition is good, but it's not fair for us to be the R&D for the world, people need to invent their own stuff". The way it really is, is that Apple's poured everything they had into *creating these new segments*, putting the pieces of the puzzle together to revolutionize the consumer industry. Of course Samsung will release an improved product afterwards, if they're remotely competent.... they just used Apple's R&D and blood/sweat/tears as a basis, and then invested in extra features. That's the whole lawsuit (and we have Emails and statements from top Samsung execs to prove it).

Oh please, Tim Cook sounds incredibly arrogant and self absorbed, "not fair for Apple to be the R&D for the world???" Yeah sure, I will like to see Apple start making their own components rather than depending on Samsung, LG, Sharp to research, develop better display, battery, and flash memory technologies, oh not to mention LTE communication tech which Samsung has patented and licensed to Intel, which is then licences to Apple.

 

[deity]

While Android and iOS look very similar on the surface, the two operating systems offer entirely different atmospheres of usage. For the sake of being succinct, the Android OS is more complex and imagination and personal creativity is more readily possible. It is far more customizable than iOS in its widgets, ROMs and overall infrastructure, but I'd give a good guess and say ~85% of android users do not tap into this potential. Apple, on the other hand, is much more comfortable with what the OS has to offer (that is, the market has allowed it to be comfortable). There's little personalization other than minor wallpaper preferences, and the only thing you can really do with the home screen is a rather pathetic rearrangement of icons. However, there is an utter simplicity and directness of iOS that makes it not only accessible to teenagers and young adults, but seniors well into their 60s. The revolution many speak of in terms of Apple is this very renaissance of intuitive and simple technology. That is not to say that Android is highly complex however; the learning curve only begins to steepen when you decide to tap into the coding potential of the system. Otherwise, its not unlike iOS.

Let's drop all legal specificities and take a look at the bigger picture here. Icons, transitional and visual effects are not components which make up a successful OS. Android is very successful because of how open it is, and Apple because it is not. I'm sure Palm OS, Symbian and RIM all had similar approaches with the OS, the shapes, and the patents at hand in this trial. And while I am in no way trying to take away from the successes of their products, there is an obvious gap between Apple/Samsung with the latter. What has made them special all along was NEVER what was discussed here. I think that's a very critical part in this discussion.

Apple is no longer dominating the market like it used to be. Samsung is likely steps ahead of Apple at this point, but this threshold was not broken because of minor OS similarities. It was because Samsung realized that consumers probably wanted/needed a larger screen. The GS3 is a testament to this want. It was because Samsung had come up with a brilliant display that many consider to be at par or even to superior to Apple's retina display. It was because Samsung maintained a high standard of excellence, and always offered the best chips and hardware aboard their flagship models. This, coupled with Android's celebrated success, has brought Samsung where it is today- not the items that Apple found Samsung to be infringing upon. Others have tried the copy and paste strategy of Apple. LG literally just produces a rectangular phone with the iPhone like icons and slaps the Android OS on it. There's and obvious lack of passion and individuality coming from LG, and the sales show that. Samsung is a far more independent company than the this trial suggests them to be.

 

[K-A]

From my personal experience, the iphone users I know are not really into their electrical gadgets or tech savvy. They just want a phone that has everything set up for them. This may explain why they aren't that active on the forums, and they definitely aren't bothered or care about this court case.
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This is true, and does explain why when I'm out in the "real world", so many people happily struts about with their Apple's, they share their love for what Apple's products have done for them or allowed them to do, at places as random as a carwash waiting area, etc. Yet, on the Websites, you have these vicious Apple haters, I mean, I've never seen such vile hatred toward a company that brings to life merely nice usable gadgets. I've seen numerous sites where Android lovers literally celebrate the death of Steve Jobs. It's really insane to read this stuff. Not one mention by Android fans about how shady Samsung executives were during the Samsung trial, how much they dodged questions, how incriminating and damning their Emails were, about how GOOGLE themselves told them that they were copying Apple too closely, yet they "hate on" Apple for merely defending their IP? As a publicly held company, what would Investors say about a company that spent Millions to get these IP's, but let's others steal them? People really need to understand the concept and dynamics of business, regardless of their stance in this case of "Apple VS Samsung".

I will add, however, about your truthful statement quoted here, that Apple fans have more of a desire toward the aesthetic, the form factor, the slickness of the actual product, OS and screen. Apple fans are taught that cheap materials = bad, Apple *made high quality parts cool in the tech field*. They made the tech/gadget field similar to the automotive field in how people appreciate a refined product, with no visual cost cutting. Apple fans do expect the highest quality form factor, the sharpest screens, and the most simplistic, ease of use. That is Apple's very simple potion.

I'm sure PC's have better "specs" than Macbook's, but my job requires HEAVY extensive use of Laptop's/Computers, and I've had PC's around me all my life....

Not only do I HATE the Windows/PC operating system, but I'd nevvvvvveerrrrrrrr trust one, especially after all my bad experiences. The Macbook Pro is a life saver, not to mention, simply a beautiful product still. It's the holistic experience of the Macbook Pro that made me such an "Apple believer". I couldn't have done what I do without it. In fact, listen to about any musician or artist period, all of them will say the same thing.

 

[Monster]

This is true, and does explain why when I'm out in the "real world", so many people happily struts about with their Apple's, they share their love for what Apple's products have done for them or allowed them to do, at places as random as a carwash waiting area, etc. Yet, on the Websites, you have these vicious Apple haters, I mean, I've never seen such vile hatred toward a company that brings to life merely nice usable gadgets. I've seen numerous sites where Android lovers literally celebrate the death of Steve Jobs. It's really insane to read this stuff. Not one mention by Android fans about how shady Samsung executives were during the Samsung trial, how much they dodged questions, how incriminating and damning their Emails were, about how GOOGLE themselves told them that they were copying Apple too closely, yet they "hate on" Apple for merely defending their IP? As a publicly held company, what would Investors say about a company that spent Millions to get these IP's, but let's others steal them? People really need to understand the concept and dynamics of business, regardless of their stance in this case of "Apple VS Samsung".

From their point of view, Apple shouldn't be granted these IP in the first place, especially when there were prior art for these patents. As for everything, you have the extreme supporters and the moderate supporters. Isn't Steve Jobs a bit extreme when he declared he want a 'thermonuclear war with Google'

I will add, however, about your truthful statement quoted here, that Apple fans have more of a desire toward the aesthetic, the form factor, the slickness of the actual product, OS and screen. Apple fans are taught that cheap materials = bad, Apple *made high quality parts cool in the tech field*. They made the tech/gadget field similar to the automotive field in how people appreciate a refined product, with no visual cost cutting. Apple fans do expect the highest quality form factor, the sharpest screens, and the most simplistic, ease of use. That is Apple's very simple potion.

There are people who prefer the aesthetics over substance, there is nothing wrong, that is why we have choices to suit every need.

 

[K-A]

Isn't Steve Jobs a bit extreme when he declared he want a 'thermonuclear war with Google'

Yes indeed, but that was part of the the brilliance behind him. If it weren't for that driving passion and extremity, he wouldn't have been the person he was. Most of the most notable, influential, super creative people/artists are batsh*t crazy, it's what makes them who they are. I feel similar to him when I feel wronged, so I support how driven he was at going after those who he feel stole from him. In reality, however, you pretty much sacrifice your life to your work/art if you go about it with that kind of tenacity.

I mean, you can see it as "extreme", or you can see it as him putting forth the same passion and tenaciousness as he put in toward all the other elements of his work. So many companies let things like these happen, and it leads to their eventual demise. He clearly didn't have a problem thinking outside of the box, and going after those who used his hard work as their own R&D and formula's to try and take down his company. I'm sure he knew of any repercussions it may have to Apple's image, but knowing what I know about him, I assume that he probably wouldn't care and would chalk it up to: A- "Ethical code", and/or B- Feeling that anyone who feels Apple is wrong for defending their IP's/work, are people who he doesn't care to cater to anyway. Like him or it or not, but he did have balls, and that was a great love/hate thing about him.

 

[deity]

So apparently...Samsung paid Apple in pennies... LOL

 

[K-A]

So apparently...Samsung paid Apple in pennies... LOL

That was a funny story but it was totally fake (and was supposedly nickels ).

Samsung will slither and slime their way out of paying Apple for infringing/copying their products, believe me. Never underestimate Samsung's ability to never own up to its copycat ways.

 

[deity]

That was a funny story but it was totally fake (and was supposedly nickels ).

Samsung will slither and slime their way out of paying Apple for infringing/copying their products, believe me. Never underestimate Samsung's ability to never own up to its copycat ways.

Whoops! Sorry about that. I had no idea the story was false until now.

 

[K-A]

It was a friggin' funny concept. Now THAT would have been a good PR move by Samsung to save face in leu of the outcome of this case. Funny that it isn't high priced Marketing Firms thinking of genius plans like that (though that would probably be literally impossible to pay $1+B in coins).

 

[deity]

Well if the whole point was to make it hard for Apple to cash the 1B, think about how hard it would be to GET the 1B. It would be an equal nightmare of Samsung, and would probably require more resources on their part. But yeah, there would be no better way to get back at apple.

 

[PanterroR]

http://www.complex.com/tech/2012/09/samsung-galaxy-s3-passes-iphone-4s-as-top-selling-smartphone

Thread should be closed now.

In your face Apple!

 

[K-A]

http://www.complex.com/tech/2012/09/samsung-galaxy-s3-passes-iphone-4s-as-top-selling-smartphone

Thread should be closed now.

In your face Apple!

Man, Apple haters will find anything to celebrate about when it comes to anything negative being reported about the company.... they'll support stealing, shadiness, whatever.... as long as it's in the name of "hating Apple", eh?

So what do we have from that article: "According to Walkley, the iPhone 4s, which has reigned supreme as the top-selling smartphone since its October release, was finally overtaken by the Galaxy S3 in the month ofAugust." .....

So, the GSIII in the beginning of its release, *finally* "dethrones" the 2 year old iPhone 4, just a month before the most anticipated phone of all time, the iPhone 5, comes out.... and you find it reason to celebrate?

This is like a hypothetical situation where a Lexus LS that is a brand new bodystyle from the ground up, just comes out, and finally outsells the W221 in its final month of sale, before the W222 comes out.

Anyway, as we know, Samsung owes its success in these markets to Apple (without Apple, there would be no blueprint for Samsung to use for the GSIII).

 

[PanterroR]

Yeah, it really hurts to be beaten on your own territory... I feel you...

 

[K-A]

Yeah, it really hurts to be beaten on your own territory... I feel you...

Actually it doesn't hurt me at all. I invested in Apple's ideas, and it's been the best investment of our time. You invest in Samsung? If not, not sure why you celebrate a shady company to do so well against those who they copied off of.

Props to Samsung: After years, Apple's idea's finally got them a one month sales overage over a long in the tooth iPhone. Mad props.

 

[PanterroR]

Maybe it doesn't hurt you personally, but it hurts your beloved brand...

Sure, sure...

 

[K-A]

Ohh, come on now. Apple's doing just fine. Worst case scenario, if Samsung's next GSIV finally beats iPhone 5 in due time in sales, Apple can just use some of that what will be $180+ Billion in the bank, to make a transformer phone that can turn into a car.

 

[PanterroR]

I'm not talking about money, i'm talking about Apple being ashamed with this... At least for a while. That's what puts a smile on my face.