Supercars in the 560-570-hp-class. Your favorite?
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It has to be the Italia. It may be ugly (to me), but it is an impressive weapon. The SLS is beautiful, but it cannot much the precision of the 458, while the LF-A lacks the passion of both the 458 and the SLS. As for the Gallardo, it's a great car, but not as beautiful or as presice as the others.
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1. The Mercedes. Epic, fantastic, gorgeous, just perfect for me. I'm in love with that car.
2. The Lexus. The engine, the noise, the noise, the engine... A masterpiece of engineering, a driver's dream, an absolute wonder on wheels.
3. The Ferrari. Stunning machine, but it lacks the ultimate engine of the Lexus, and is rather cartoonish in its design. Still a fantastic supercar. And it will be rare, given ho fast they all burn...
4. The Lambo. Well, it's beautiful, and makes a fantastic noise. But it's excessively bling, well... It's not the one I don't like, it's the one I love just a bit less than the others.
2. The Lexus. The engine, the noise, the noise, the engine... A masterpiece of engineering, a driver's dream, an absolute wonder on wheels.
3. The Ferrari. Stunning machine, but it lacks the ultimate engine of the Lexus, and is rather cartoonish in its design. Still a fantastic supercar. And it will be rare, given ho fast they all burn...
4. The Lambo. Well, it's beautiful, and makes a fantastic noise. But it's excessively bling, well... It's not the one I don't like, it's the one I love just a bit less than the others.
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LP570 for the looks and sound, although the LFA is just as good a noise 
I cant stand the front of the 458, the rest looks good. The car may be a technical masterpiece but isnt much quicker than an LP560. I can only imagine what an LP570 would be able to do with a dual clutch gearbox.
LFA is too slow here and not exotic enough compared to the 458 and LP. sounds friggin incredible though.
SLS is just plain compared to the LFA let alone the lambo. having seen it on the street I laugh at the idea of this being any sort of replacement to the SLR. SLR is still the daddy.
I cant stand the front of the 458, the rest looks good. The car may be a technical masterpiece but isnt much quicker than an LP560. I can only imagine what an LP570 would be able to do with a dual clutch gearbox.
LFA is too slow here and not exotic enough compared to the 458 and LP. sounds friggin incredible though.
SLS is just plain compared to the LFA let alone the lambo. having seen it on the street I laugh at the idea of this being any sort of replacement to the SLR. SLR is still the daddy.
Dede, the 0 - 200 km/h for SLS AMG in the SportAuto 0 - 300 - 0 km/h was 11.7 secs (with launch control) and 12.0 secs for the LFA (issues with launch control). In SportAuto it was 11.4 seconds for both LFA and SLS AMG head to head comparo, in automobile magazine head to head comparison, it was again 11.4 seconds for both cars and the same 1/4 mile (LFA no launch control). Yet your chart puts SLS AMG at 11.3 seconds and 12.1 seconds for the LFA??? Sounds like the best of SLS AMG compared to worst of LFA. That definitely sounds inaccurate. That definitely needs to be adjusted. (even with LFA not having launch control).
LFA is shaping to be quite possibly the best track car out of these due to its dynamics and handling characterstics (I don't know much about the LP570-4 though). In SportAuto supertests, 458 Italia had a higher top speed in the straights while LFA had better cornering speeds.
Regarding straight line speed, SportAuto called it a 'cruise missle' and 'rocket' to 200 km/h without launch control, but it can only get better in production form especially if they adjust the spoiler downforce for high speed acceleration, which is the only issue past 200 km/h.
1 - LFA
2 - Ferrari 458 Italia
3 - SLS AMG
4 - LP-570-4 Superleggera (not enough data on it)
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All of the data you see in my chart comes from AMS-single tests.
And AMS mentioned Launch Control. So did HvS in Sport Auto Supertest.
All of the data you see in my chart comes from AMS-single tests.
Still considering almost one second difference on the chart, that is not indicative of how fast actually LFA is since we know well through multiple sources LFA is a lot more capable and is a lot faster than that while the SLS AMG could not be any faster than 11.3 seconds. Just sayin'
It is quite obvious from this statement:
"The weight distribution is almost identical: 48:52 in the Lexus, 47:53 in SLS. Since both cars put a similar amount of static and dynamic mass on the 20in rear wheels and tyres, the acceleration times from 0-62mph are separated by one academic tenth of second. On paper, white eclipses red by 3.7 against 3.8sec. In real life, it´s all down to tyre wear, tyre temperature, surface quality and launch control action. Both vehicles must shift once before they exceed the 62mph mark, and even after a dozen or so full-throttle head-on sprints the result was a dead heat."
Lexus LF-A (2010) vs Mercedes SLS (2010) twin test | Road Testing Reviews | Car Magazine Online
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Look, I made the chart just for comparison. I used AMS-data for the perfect comparison. I did not care if those data are the best or worst. That's what those germans did with their testcars. That's the point.
@ the SLS: AutoZeitung previously did a 10,9 sec 0-200 km/h and AutoBild Sportscars did a 11,1 sec (with LC and 2 persons on board).
My point was, on the same day, on the same track, same conditions, LFA seems to match straight line 0 - 200 km/h with SLS AMG. Handing is another story.
Launch control in LFA is still a contentious issue since you can see clearly SLS AMG holding revs at about 4000 - 4500 rpm for launch control while LFA launching off idle rpms.
(Notice, despite the tilted camera, despite being the smaller car, LFA is standing about half a car length behind):
YouTube - What's Fastest?
Launch control in LFA is still a contentious issue since you can see clearly SLS AMG holding revs at about 4000 - 4500 rpm for launch control while LFA launching off idle rpms.
(Notice, despite the tilted camera, despite being the smaller car, LFA is standing about half a car length behind):
YouTube - What's Fastest?
Look, I made the chart just for comparison. I used AMS-data for the perfect comparison. I did not care if those data are the best or worst. That's what those germans did with their testcars. That's the point.
@ the SLS: AutoZeitung previously did a 10,9 sec 0-200 km/h and AutoBild Sportscars did a 11,1 sec (with LC and 2 persons on board).
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I understand your point, I just mentioned I took data from the same source, from particular single tests.
About SLS AMG's Launch Control: according to AutoBild the car holding revs at 3000 rpm.
About LFA's Launch Control: according to Sport Auto the LC has a bad setting, holding revs too low for a proper launch. Fail.
And I have to say I didn't found any word in AMS or Sport Auto about LFA being a pre-production car or prototype. No word about that. So for me those testcars are production cars or with a better word: press cars. Just like Italias, Gallardos and SLS AMGs...
That is true. It is as close to production as it gets.
However, Lexus has officially stated they will be continuously working on tweaking every aspect of LFA (especially the transmission) until it is production time in November. Some of the things we talk about (launch control, spoiler retracting etc.) are still not in the final form yet.
However, Lexus has officially stated they will be continuously working on tweaking every aspect of LFA (especially the transmission) until it is production time in November. Some of the things we talk about (launch control, spoiler retracting etc.) are still not in the final form yet.
And I have to say I didn't found any word in AMS or Sport Auto about LFA being a pre-production car or prototype. No word about that. So for me those testcars are production cars or with a better word: press cars. Just like Italias, Gallardos and SLS AMGs...
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My choice: Lexus Lf-A
2nd: Lambo ; A close second. A great all-rounder. Both, on the roads & on the track!
3rd: Ferrari ; Does everything just right, but I'm not much fan of the horse emblem. Also... if doesn't catch fire!
4th: Merc ; The ugly duckling! Never been a fan of it's exterior since I first saw her. I hate even riding an ugly & awkward car.
2nd: Lambo ; A close second. A great all-rounder. Both, on the roads & on the track!
3rd: Ferrari ; Does everything just right, but I'm not much fan of the horse emblem. Also... if doesn't catch fire!
4th: Merc ; The ugly duckling! Never been a fan of it's exterior since I first saw her. I hate even riding an ugly & awkward car.
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Humm, the maranaello V8 is not second to any other engine in the world, and this is coming from someone also thinking that the japanese V10 is an absolute wonder
Anyway here is my pecking order:1/ Ferrari: Absolutely untouchable, ugly yes but performances and madness is what count first for such a car.
2/ SLS & Lexus: Sls cause it's a sublime car with very respectable capilities, the Lexus for its engine of course.
4/ Lambo: The Gallardo never got me really exited, i can't help but to think that it's nothing more than a rebadged Audi.
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I was gonna go all the way with the 458, but just saw some more pictures of it, and damn.... Not too great. It does have that "supercar/futuristic/crazy" look, but I prefer the more tangible-yet-exotic presence of the Scuderia.
Gallardo is not my cup of tea, not into its looks and it's too "little".
LFA is fugly.
I guess the SLS would battle the Ferrari out (I mean, c'mon, it is a Ferrari after all, who cares about how I think it looks). I'd probably go Ferrari.
Gallardo is not my cup of tea, not into its looks and it's too "little".
LFA is fugly.
I guess the SLS would battle the Ferrari out (I mean, c'mon, it is a Ferrari after all, who cares about how I think it looks
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