Stock whp for various supercars

[WBarnes]

Some surprising results.

GT3 RS - 434whp/316wtq
Porsche 991 GT3 / GT3 RS Fabspeed ECU Tune

991 Turbo - 468whp/572wtq
Porsche 991.2 Turbo / Turbo S Supersport STREET Performance Package

991 Turbo S - 489whp/540wtq
Porsche 991 Turbo / Turbo S Supersport STREET Performance Package

488 GTB - 535whp/495wtq
Ferrari 488 Fabspeed ECU Tuning Upgrade

McLaren 570S - 533whp/433wtq
McLaren 570S / 570GT / 540C Fabspeed ECU Tune

McLaren 650S - 567whp/449wtq
McLaren 650S Fabspeed ECU Tune

McLaren 675LT - 583whp/490wtq
McLaren 675LT Fabspeed ECU Tune

Huracan LP610-4 - 556whp/403wtq
Lamborghini Huracan Valvetronic Supersport X-Pipe Exhaust System

Huracan LP580-2 - 489whp/369wtq
Lamborghini Huracan Fabspeed ECU Tune

 

[WAND]

What a poor result for 488.
It drops from 670 to 535 on wheels.
Opposite case is with 570S, just 37hp loss.
Nice result for Huracan LP610-4.
Interesting, LP580-2 have bigger loss.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Some results could be due to the problem of being on the dyno. Today's cars don't like dynos all too much. Also coming from a tuner high stock hp results could not be in their interest. ANYTHING can be shown via a dynometer and correction factors.

 

[WBarnes]

I wonder whether not having a diff reduces parasitic losses too.

 

[fuhro]

Always quite interesting to see dyno results of modern cars.
Here is a list of dyno data from Sport Auto's supertests I've collected:
Listed alphabetically, all figures at crank, not whp!

Sport Auto (Maha dyno):

2015 AC Schnitzer M6 Gran Coupé: 677 hp/848 Nm (620 hp/790 Nm claimed)
2014 Alpina B3 Biturbo: 430 hp/617 Nm (410 hp/600 Nm claimed)
2014 Aston Martin V12 Vantage S: 539 hp/597 Nm (573 hp/620 Nm claimed)
2014 Audi S1: 238 hp/380 Nm (231 hp/370 Nm claimed)
2014 Audi RS6 Avant: 580 hp/758 Nm (560 hp/700 Nm claimed)
2015 Audi TT S Coupé: 298 hp/389 Nm (310 hp/380 Nm claimed)
2013 Audi R8 V10 plus: 519 hp/504 Nm (550 hp/540 Nm claimed)
2015 Audi R8 V10 plus (Mk II): 579 hp/548 Nm (610 hp/560 Nm claimed)
2013 BMW M135i: 340 hp/493 Nm (320 hp/450 Nm claimed)
2015 BMW M235i: 338 hp/478 Nm (326 hp/450 Nm claimed)
2016 BMW M2: 400 hp/549 Nm (370 hp/500 Nm claimed)
2014 BMW M4: 465 hp/577 Nm (431 hp/550 Nm claimed)
2016 BMW M4 GTS: 533 hp/656 Nm (500 hp/600 Nm claimed)
2014 BMW M5 CP: 649 hp/805 Nm (575 hp/680 Nm claimed)
2016 Ferrari 488 GTB: 700 hp/759 Nm (670 hp/760 Nm claimed)
2014 Ferrari F12 Berlinetta: 747 hp/694 Nm (740 hp/690 Nm claimed)
2017 Ford Focus RS: 326 hp/457 Nm (350 hp/440 Nm claimed)
2016 Honda Civic Type R: 276 hp/440 Nm (310 hp/400 Nm claimed)
2017 Honda NSX: 574 hp/671 Nm (581 hp/646 Nm claimed)
2016 Lamborghini Huracán LP 610-4: 592 hp/554 Nm (610 hp/560 Nm claimed)
2016 Lotus Evora 400: 417 hp/436 Nm (406 hp/410 Nm claimed)
2016 Mercedes-AMG A 45: 384 hp/478 Nm (381 hp/475 Nm claimed)
2013 Mercedes-AMG E 63 S 4matic: 604 hp/848 Nm (585 hp/800 Nm claimed)
2016 Mercedes-AMG GT S: 558 hp/695 Nm (510 hp/650 Nm claimed)
2013 Mercedes SLS AMG Black Series: 655 hp/635 Nm (631 hp/635 Nm claimed)
2015 McLaren 650S Spider: 600 hp/622 Nm (650 hp/678 Nm claimed)
2015 Mini JCW: 245 hp/355 Nm (231 hp/320 Nm claimed)
2015 Opel Corsa OPC: 208 hp/288 Nm (207 hp/280 Nm claimed)
2012 Opel Astra OPC: 284 hp/482 Nm (280 hp/400 Nm claimed)
2015 Porsche Boxster Spyder: 378 hp/424 Nm (375 hp/420 Nm claimed)
2016 Porsche 718 Cayman S: 376 hp/460 Nm (350 hp/420 Nm claimed)
2015 Porsche Cayman GT4: 385 hp/447 Nm (385 hp/420 Nm claimed)
2016 Porsche 911 Carrera S: 423 hp/529 Nm (420 hp/500 Nm claimed)
2013 Porsche 911 GT3: 475 hp/440 Nm (475 hp/440 Nm claimed)
2015 Porsche 911 GT3 RS: 495 hp/444 Nm (500 hp/460 Nm claimed)
2013 Renault Clio RS: 201 hp/269 Nm (200 hp/240 Nm claimed)
2016 Renault Clio RS Trophy: 225 hp/304 Nm (220 hp/280 Nm claimed)
2015 Seat Leon Cupra 280 PP: 305 hp/387 Nm (280 hp/350 Nm claimed)
2015 Subaru WRX STI: 280 hp/390 Nm (300 hp/407 Nm claimed)
2013 Toyota GT86: 201 hp/210 Nm (200 hp/205 Nm claimed)
2013 VW Golf GTI Performance: 240 hp/395 Nm (230 hp/350 Nm claimed)
2016 VW Golf GTI Clubsport: 294 hp/384 Nm (290 hp/380 Nm claimed)
2016 VW Golf GTI Clubsport S: 322 hp/425 Nm (310 hp/380 Nm claimed)
2014 VW Golf R: 295 hp/405 Nm (300 hp/380 Nm claimed)

If you're interested in some more data, I could also post the measured power of Autobild Sportscars Supertests (Insoric mobile measurement)

 

[WBarnes]

If you're interested in some more data, I could also post the measured power of Autobild Sportscars Supertests (Insoric mobile measurement)

Please do.

 

[fuhro]

Please do.

Here you go

2015 AC Schnitzer Z4 5.0d: 445 hp/840 Nm (430 hp/840 Nm claimed)
2015 AC Schnitzer X6 M: 669 hp/861 Nm (650 hp/840 Nm claimed)
2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia QV: 510 hp/625 Nm (510 hp/600 Nm claimed)
2015 Alpina B4 Biturbo Coupé: 432 hp/606 Nm (410 hp/600 Nm claimed)
2014 Aston Martin V12 Vantage S: 566 hp/625 Nm (573 hp/620 Nm claimed)
2015 Audi RS3 Sportback: 384 hp/480 Nm (367 hp/465 Nm claimed)
2015 Audi TT S Coupé: 323 hp/411 Nm (310 hp/380 Nm claimed)
2017 Audi TT RS Coupé: 411 hp/501 Nm (400 hp/480 Nm claimed)
2016 Audi R8 V10 plus: 612 hp/570 Nm (610 hp/560 Nm claimed)
2014 BMW M4 Coupé: 449 hp/555 Nm (431 hp/550 Nm claimed)
2016 BMW M4 GTS: 492 hp/613 Nm (500 hp/600 Nm claimed)
2016 BMW M6 CP: 605 hp/725 Nm (600 hp/700 Nm claimed)
2015 Corvette C7 Z06 Z07: 652 hp/850 Nm (659 hp/881 Nm claimed)
2015 Dodge Challenger Hellcat: 680 hp/873 Nm (717 hp/881 Nm claimed)
2016 Dodge Viper ACR: 642 hp/763 Nm (654 hp/814 Nm claimed)
2014 Ferrari 458 Speciale: 613 hp/549 Nm (605 hp/540 Nm claimed)
2016 Ford Fiesta ST200: 201 hp/293 Nm (200 hp/290 Nm claimed)
2016 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350: 530 hp/570 Nm (533 hp/582 Nm claimed)
2015 Geiger Corvette C7 Supercharged: 601 hp/756 Nm (607 hp/766 Nm claimed)
2015 Honda Civic Type R: 304 hp/409 Nm (310 hp/400 Nm claimed)
2014 Jaguar F-Type R Coupé: 551 hp/702 Nm (550 hp/680 Nm claimed)
2016 Jaguar F-Type SVR Coupé AWD: 581 hp/720 Nm (575 hp/700 Nm claimed)
2014 Lamborghini Huracán LP 610-4: 631 hp/575 Nm (610 hp/560 Nm claimed)
2016 Lamborghini Aventador SV: 750 hp/695 Nm (750 hp/690 Nm claimed)
2014 McLaren 650S: 653 hp/692 Nm (650 hp/678 Nm claimed)
2016 McLaren 675LT: 681 hp/701 Nm (675 hp/700 Nm claimed)
2015 Mercedes-AMG C 63 S: 530 hp/700 Nm (510 hp/700 Nm claimed)
2015 Mercedes-AMG GT S: 524 hp/667 Nm (510 hp/650 Nm claimed)
2016 Nissan GT-R: 569 hp/660 Nm (570 hp/637 Nm claimed)
2015 Opel Corsa OPC: 206 hp/283 Nm (207 hp/280 Nm claimed)
2015 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS: 433 hp/441 Nm (430 hp/440 Nm claimed)
2016 Porsche 911 Turbo S: 593 hp/765 Nm (580 hp/750 Nm claimed)
2014 Porsche Cayenne Turbo: 540 hp/791 Nm (520 hp/750 Nm claimed)
2016 VW Golf GTI Clubsport S: 322 hp/405 Nm (310 hp/380 Nm claimed)

 

[kingjr9000]

Some surprising results.

488 GTB - 535whp/495wtq
Ferrari 488 Fabspeed ECU Tuning Upgrade

Hmm, If you factor in parasite loss and engine tolerance, then I'd say its pretty close. It would've been nice to see if they had done a timed sprint of it. But the interesting thing is actually the torque. That should have been lower than the LT, especially if they were in a lower gear. That porsche turbo was making far, far more than it should.

What a poor result for 488.
It drops from 670 to 535 on wheels.

Not entirely true, like i mentioned in the post above. There have been members on fchat who have gotten the times ferrari claimed on most mags, except for the quattroroute one. So the power figures must be accurate somewhere in there.

Some results could be due to the problem of being on the dyno. Today's cars don't like dynos all too much. Also coming from a tuner high stock hp results could not be in their interest. ANYTHING can be shown via a dynometer and correction factors.

If i'm correct, then i think ferrari tests their engines on the crank, and not at the wheels. Don't quote me on that, because I'm not entirely sure how they dyno theirs.

Always quite interesting to see dyno results of modern cars.
Here is a list of dyno data from Sport Auto's supertests I've collected:
Listed alphabetically, all figures at crank, not whp!

Sport Auto (Maha dyno):

2015 McLaren 650S Spider: 600 hp/622 Nm (650 hp/678 Nm claimed)

If you're interested in some more data, I could also post the measured power of Autobild Sportscars Supertests (Insoric mobile measurement)

What happened here?! Do you have any info on this?

 

[fuhro]

What happened here?! Do you have any info on this?

They wrote the following explanation in the test:
According to McLaren, the intercooler did not get enough fresh air (intake air temperature was 49°C during the dyno-test), and this results in the measured power-loss. In normal driving the intake-air has a temperature of around 30°C and then the intercoolers are properly working and the car has its full power. The straight-line performance in the test also wasn't worse than expected (0-100: 3,0 s and 0-200: 9,0 s)

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Hmm, If you factor in parasite loss and engine tolerance, then I'd say its pretty close. It would've been nice to see if they had done a timed sprint of it. But the interesting thing is actually the torque. That should have been lower than the LT, especially if they were in a lower gear. That porsche turbo was making far, far more than it should.

Not entirely true, like i mentioned in the post above. There have been members on fchat who have gotten the times ferrari claimed on most mags, except for the quattroroute one. So the power figures must be accurate somewhere in there.

If i'm correct, then i think ferrari tests their engines on the crank, and not at the wheels. Don't quote me on that, because I'm not entirely sure how they dyno theirs.

What happened here?! Do you have any info on this?

Yes, all manufacturers quote hp and torque at the crank. That's why the calculation from whp to crank hp is always a little complicated and can have inaccuracies.

However, Insoric is extremely accurate (given you input all the data 100% correct). I know this from personal experience.

 

[TMCCL65]

One thing to also consider when looking at the figures generated on chassis dynos... is the ambient conditions. Yes, most dynos have the ability to do weather corrections and also correct the data for the elevation. However, what you may not see is the overall impact of those conditions on the engine management system. The ECU may be pulling significant timing, especially if the fans used are not providing enough air flow speed to simulate actual acceleration runs for the car's cooling systems. This can really skew the numbers on forced induction cars with hyper sensitive knock sensors. At the slightest bit of knock caused by high intake air temps, it will pull significant timing to protect the engine. That will usually not be made up by the weather correction factor.

 

[martinbo]

Some results could be due to the problem of being on the dyno. Today's cars don't like dynos all too much.

They all think that they're undergoing an emissions test.

 

[330CIZHP]

Many variables in dynos. Types of dynos (Mustang, Dynojet, Dynopack etc.), temperature, altitude, gear being used for dyno (should be closest to 1:1 for most accurate results) etc. It is really most effective as a before/after tool for tuning.

 

[kingjr9000]

It seems a former or current member @lbonu1967, posted this a long time ago over on Fchat

Ferrari uses blueprinted engine for press cars, that's why they are in upper level of power tolerance.

I don't know if that means those engines are more carefully prepared as opposed to the customer cars which are just sent down the line and prepared casually, or if it means something else. If anyone knows anything about this, then inform please.

If its the first one, then that explains why customer cars vary.

 

[kingjr9000]

Then theres this guy's time slip of his 458

I found the 11.228 run:
60; - 1.929
330 - 4.976
1/8 - 7.405
MPH - 100.74
1000 - 9.480
1/4 - 11.228
MPH - 132.19

Pretty close to fezza claims, despite the 458 notorious for making lower than claimed HP. Faster than the EVO test, but slightly slower than the Quattroroute test, but same speed.

 

[WBarnes]

Hmm, If you factor in parasite loss and engine tolerance, then I'd say its pretty close. It would've been nice to see if they had done a timed sprint of it. But the interesting thing is actually the torque. That should have been lower than the LT, especially if they were in a lower gear. That porsche turbo was making far, far more than it should.

The important thing to remember is that all Fabspeed's dynos were customer cars.

 

[JohnnyP1997]

Here you go

2015 AC Schnitzer Z4 5.0d: 445 hp/840 Nm (430 hp/840 Nm claimed)
2015 AC Schnitzer X6 M: 669 hp/861 Nm (650 hp/840 Nm claimed)
2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia QV: 510 hp/625 Nm (510 hp/600 Nm claimed)
2015 Alpina B4 Biturbo Coupé: 432 hp/606 Nm (410 hp/600 Nm claimed)
2014 Aston Martin V12 Vantage S: 566 hp/625 Nm (573 hp/620 Nm claimed)
2015 Audi RS3 Sportback: 384 hp/480 Nm (367 hp/465 Nm claimed)
2015 Audi TT S Coupé: 323 hp/411 Nm (310 hp/380 Nm claimed)
2017 Audi TT RS Coupé: 411 hp/501 Nm (400 hp/480 Nm claimed)
2016 Audi R8 V10 plus: 612 hp/570 Nm (610 hp/560 Nm claimed)
2014 BMW M4 Coupé: 449 hp/555 Nm (431 hp/550 Nm claimed)
2016 BMW M4 GTS: 492 hp/613 Nm (500 hp/600 Nm claimed)
2016 BMW M6 CP: 605 hp/725 Nm (600 hp/700 Nm claimed)
2015 Corvette C7 Z06 Z07: 652 hp/850 Nm (659 hp/881 Nm claimed)
2015 Dodge Challenger Hellcat: 680 hp/873 Nm (717 hp/881 Nm claimed)
2016 Dodge Viper ACR: 642 hp/763 Nm (654 hp/814 Nm claimed)
2014 Ferrari 458 Speciale: 613 hp/549 Nm (605 hp/540 Nm claimed)
2016 Ford Fiesta ST200: 201 hp/293 Nm (200 hp/290 Nm claimed)
2016 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350: 530 hp/570 Nm (533 hp/582 Nm claimed)
2015 Geiger Corvette C7 Supercharged: 601 hp/756 Nm (607 hp/766 Nm claimed)
2015 Honda Civic Type R: 304 hp/409 Nm (310 hp/400 Nm claimed)
2014 Jaguar F-Type R Coupé: 551 hp/702 Nm (550 hp/680 Nm claimed)
2016 Jaguar F-Type SVR Coupé AWD: 581 hp/720 Nm (575 hp/700 Nm claimed)
2014 Lamborghini Huracán LP 610-4: 631 hp/575 Nm (610 hp/560 Nm claimed)
2016 Lamborghini Aventador SV: 750 hp/695 Nm (750 hp/690 Nm claimed)
2014 McLaren 650S: 653 hp/692 Nm (650 hp/678 Nm claimed)
2016 McLaren 675LT: 681 hp/701 Nm (675 hp/700 Nm claimed)
2015 Mercedes-AMG C 63 S: 530 hp/700 Nm (510 hp/700 Nm claimed)
2015 Mercedes-AMG GT S: 524 hp/667 Nm (510 hp/650 Nm claimed)
2016 Nissan GT-R: 569 hp/660 Nm (570 hp/637 Nm claimed)
2015 Opel Corsa OPC: 206 hp/283 Nm (207 hp/280 Nm claimed)
2015 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS: 433 hp/441 Nm (430 hp/440 Nm claimed)
2016 Porsche 911 Turbo S: 593 hp/765 Nm (580 hp/750 Nm claimed)
2014 Porsche Cayenne Turbo: 540 hp/791 Nm (520 hp/750 Nm claimed)
2016 VW Golf GTI Clubsport S: 322 hp/405 Nm (310 hp/380 Nm claimed)

Ok, so right now, I really wanted to know how much whp those 593 crank hp represent on the 991.2 turbo s!

 

[fuhro]

Small Update:

Autobild Sportscars:
2017 Audi RS5 Coupé: 466 hp/637 Nm (450 hp/600 Nm claimed)
2017 BMW M3 Competition: 467 hp/556 Nm (450 hp/550 Nm claimed)
2017 BMW M4 Coupé Competition: 458 hp/569 Nm (450 hp/550 Nm claimed)
2017 Corvette C7 Grand Sport: 468 hp/631 Nm (466 hp/630 Nm claimed)
2017 Ferrari 488 GTB: 708 hp/739 Nm (670 hp/710 Nm claimed)
2017 Lamborghini Aventador S: 736 hp/684 Nm (740 hp/690 Nm claimed)
2017 McLaren 720S: 745 hp/771 Nm (720 hp/770 Nm claimed)
2017 Mercedes-AMG C 63 S Coupé: 510 hp/700 Nm (510 hp/700 Nm claimed)
2017 Mercedes-AMG E 63 S 4matic+: 610 hp/885 Nm (612 hp/850 Nm claimed)
2017 Porsche 718 Cayman S: 362 hp/422 Nm (350 hp/420 Nm claimed)
2017 Porsche 911 GT3 (991.2): 503 hp/463 Nm (500 hp/460 Nm claimed)
2017 Porsche 911 Turbo S Exclusive: 627 hp/766 Nm (607 hp/750 Nm claimed)

Sport Auto:
2017 Aston Martin Vantage GT8: 410 hp/451 Nm (446 hp/490 Nm claimed)
2017 Audi TT RS Coupé: 396 hp/480 Nm (400 hp/480 Nm claimed)
2017 BMW M4 CS: 488 hp/652 Nm (460 hp/600 Nm claimed)
2017 Corvette C7 Z06 MT (#1): 641 hp/865 Nm (659 hp/881 Nm claimed)
2017 Corvette C7 Z06 MT (#2): 632 hp/876 Nm (659 hp/881 Nm claimed)
2017 Corvette C7 Z06 AT: 566 hp/850 Nm (659 hp/881 Nm claimed)
2017 Lotus Exige Cup 380: 343 hp/403 Nm (380 hp/410 Nm claimed)
2017 Mercedes-AMG E 63 S 4matic+ Estate: 660 hp/921 Nm (612 hp/850 Nm claimed)
2017 Mercedes-AMG GT R: 619 hp/736 Nm (585 hp/700 Nm claimed)
2017 Mini JCW Pro: 238 hp/330 Nm (231 hp/310 Nm claimed)
2017 Porsche 911 Carrera GTS (991.2): 454 hp/569 Nm (450 hp/550 Nm claimed)
2017 Porsche 911 GT3 (991.2): 501 hp/452 Nm (500 hp/460 Nm claimed)
2017 Porsche 911 GT3 RS by MR (991.1): 497 hp/446 Nm (500 hp/460 Nm claimed)

Automobilismo (Italy):
2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia 2.0T Q4 Veloce: 280 hp/431 Nm (280 hp/400 Nm claimed)
2017 Audi TT 2.0 TFSI quattro: 238 hp/348 Nm (230 hp/370 Nm claimed)
2017 Audi TT RS Coupé: 391 hp/499 Nm (400 hp/480 Nm claimed)
2017 Audi SQ7 TDI quattro: 467 hp/948 Nm (435 hp/900 Nm claimed)
2017 BMW 530d xDrive Touring (G31): 278 hp/670 Nm (265 hp/620 Nm claimed)
2017 Ford Mustang Conv. 2.3 Ecoboost: 284 hp/398 Nm (317 hp/432 Nm claimed)
2016 Honda Civic Type R: 306 hp/444 Nm claimed (310 hp/400 Nm claimed)
2017 Honda NSX: 541 hp/727 Nm (581 hp/646 Nm claimed)
2017 Mercedes E 220d Coupé: 200 hp/439 Nm (194 hp/400 Nm claimed)
2015 Peugeot 208 GTI: 204 hp/323 Nm (208 hp/300 Nm claimed)
2016 Peugeot 308 GTI: 275 hp/347 Nm (270 hp/330 Nm claimed)
2014 Porsche Macan Turbo: 398 hp/537 Nm (400 hp/550 Nm claimed)

 

[WBarnes]

Mclaren 720S (700rwhp/560rwlbft) (720hp/516lbft crank claimed).

 

[hovabongZA]

Really crazy numbers!

2017 Mercedes-AMG E 63 S 4matic+ Estate: 660 hp/921 Nm (612 hp/850 Nm claimed)