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Perhaps it didn't show you what you wanted to see, but to say it does nothing to advance the story is simply not true.
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Perhaps it didn't show you what you wanted to see, but to say it does nothing to advance the story is simply not true.
SCOTT27
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What is everyone getting upset that ships are showing running out of fuel?
Do they think that ships in the Star Wars universe are fuelled by never-ending propulsion?
Maybe Darth-Musk was on the Death Star.
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Because it’s just dumb when a nuclear submarine nowadays doesn’t even need to refill in 60 years. Fuel shouldn’t be a problem in whatever year they are in Star Wars.
SCOTT27
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Well these ships have been running about 30+ years from the ROTJ era maybe it was their time.
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Besides, whenever their ship gets off warp speed, the regenerative braking alone from crazy lightyears per second to standing still, should have always refilled up all tanks, solid state batteries, food synthesizers, holodecks and then some.
Hey this is still a car forum first, right?
And can you imagine what do those real hardcore movie forumers even discuss about the differences among twenty versions of Porsche 911?
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Just accept it - you're just not a Star Wars connoisseur. But let me help you with getting the first vital concept across to help you on your way.
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.
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Nephews arrived and left and yet wasn't able to go and see it as I had to study. One nephew (who loves SW) loved it but not as much as TFA and the other one who borderline hates it-ambivalent about it did not like it.
Will have to wait when it's out on DVD/Streaming.
Will have to wait when it's out on DVD/Streaming.
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‘The Last Jedi’ Is the Most Intellectual ‘Star Wars’ Movie
That article resonated really well with me.
I dont mind so called plot holes, they're nothing new in Star Wars and they dont subtract anything from the movie. And I do love, as the article points out how this movie is a first step in breaking the Star Wars mold into something that will once again be a thrilling space adventure regardless of past baggage.
That article resonated really well with me.
I dont mind so called plot holes, they're nothing new in Star Wars and they dont subtract anything from the movie. And I do love, as the article points out how this movie is a first step in breaking the Star Wars mold into something that will once again be a thrilling space adventure regardless of past baggage.
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Yeah, that's a good piece. Well aligned with the rest of the properly analyzed and reasonable reviews by people who can both think for themselves and write.
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That article raises a couple of good points, and touches on something that I think is the case with TLJ. Most of the time people watch a film and they want the filmmaker to tell them a story, I think with some of these films falling into cinematic universes now with so much discussion, hype, and supporting media around them, people feel a lot more involved in the story, and they get to the point where they don't want the filmmaker to tell them a story, they want the filmmaker to show them what they want to happen. People had made up their minds about what they wanted to see going into TLJ, and for a lot of people it wasn't what they wanted.
I think I've recently said that TLJ could for all intents and purposes be called, "The First Order Strikes Back" as a sequel to Abrams' "Another New Hope" - I just watched ESB again this afternoon, and I honestly don't see how people can claim to be big Star Wars fans, but have a problem with TLJ, when there are so many parallels with the original trilogy.
... but people are free to like and dislike what they want.
On the fuel thing, I think it's been used as a plot device before. I'm specifically thinking of the "Tarkin" novel (a book about the Peter Cushing's character from A New Hope and Rogue One), this story specifically deals with both having to refuel and tracking through hyperspace. This was published in 2014, about the time TLJ was in pre-production, so maybe that was (to a point) setting up the idea that it is an issue for spaceships. I'm also reminded of the fact that the entire reason there is a Skywalker saga AT ALL, is because Qui-Gon and Obi-wan had to land on Tatooine to refuel and repair, which is of course, where they found the boy, Anakin Skywalker.
Also, bombs falling due to gravity... TIE Bombers, bombing asteroids in ESB. Bombing in space is just a thing in Star Wars.
I think I've recently said that TLJ could for all intents and purposes be called, "The First Order Strikes Back" as a sequel to Abrams' "Another New Hope" - I just watched ESB again this afternoon, and I honestly don't see how people can claim to be big Star Wars fans, but have a problem with TLJ, when there are so many parallels with the original trilogy.
... but people are free to like and dislike what they want.
On the fuel thing, I think it's been used as a plot device before. I'm specifically thinking of the "Tarkin" novel (a book about the Peter Cushing's character from A New Hope and Rogue One), this story specifically deals with both having to refuel and tracking through hyperspace. This was published in 2014, about the time TLJ was in pre-production, so maybe that was (to a point) setting up the idea that it is an issue for spaceships. I'm also reminded of the fact that the entire reason there is a Skywalker saga AT ALL, is because Qui-Gon and Obi-wan had to land on Tatooine to refuel and repair, which is of course, where they found the boy, Anakin Skywalker.
Also, bombs falling due to gravity... TIE Bombers, bombing asteroids in ESB. Bombing in space is just a thing in Star Wars.
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Because it's specifically for this movie to make this particular story. And like Klier said its dumb. Now all of a sudden light speed can be tracked and guess what, they need a code breaker to get onto the ship to disable the tracker. And at the end of it all it doesn't mean anything.
Its smacks of cheese and it was trying to be to smart. They should have kept it simple and advanced the story in the Star wars universe and not try to be something it's not.
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Sweet mother of mercy.
Martin I respect that you liked the movie, but I just didn't buy what they were selling.
This has been the Disney effect of late for me. The last Disney movie I truly enjoyed of the ones I'd seen lately was Zootopia. There were quite a few misses and a few good ones in between.
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No braaf, it's not about whether I liked the movie or not.
It's about the complete and utter ignorance of the Star Wars canon - in itself an art form with a 40 year legacy - being displayed by newly proclaimed afficionados. Rian Johnson and co have done total justice to the franchise - no scratch that - make that the institution that is Star Wars. It's another fine, fine step in rectifying the injustices done to the original saga by none other than its own creator - George Lucas - in those three awful prequels. You want to talk cheese, implausibility, plot-holes and God-awful acting? Then, I say, such criticisms are leveled by bandwagon jumpers with no genuine frame of reference or, more importantly, any real interest in the franchise.
It's about the complete and utter ignorance of the Star Wars canon - in itself an art form with a 40 year legacy - being displayed by newly proclaimed afficionados. Rian Johnson and co have done total justice to the franchise - no scratch that - make that the institution that is Star Wars. It's another fine, fine step in rectifying the injustices done to the original saga by none other than its own creator - George Lucas - in those three awful prequels. You want to talk cheese, implausibility, plot-holes and God-awful acting? Then, I say, such criticisms are leveled by bandwagon jumpers with no genuine frame of reference or, more importantly, any real interest in the franchise.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa... #prequelist over here!
Terrible films, I'll agree... but they did so much for turning Star Wars from being a well loved Sci-Fi adventure yarn into being a lived in universe, with myth, legend, history, tradition and substance.
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I agree pretty much completely. Unfortunately, the most poignantly regrettable aspect of the prequel was the casting of both Anakin Skywalker actors. Hayden Christensen especially was unsuitable for the role of the evolution of one of film's most iconic and sinister villains. The mantle of responsibility was too great, the script too wishywashy and the acting too unconvincing for delivering the gravitas needed to bring about Darth Vader.
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Acting was terrible all-around indeed, but I put the onus more on the script and the direction. I haven't seen enough of Christensen's movies to fully qualify his bona fides, but I do remember some critiques of the smaller/arthouse productions he was in, and his performance got above-average reviews. Natalie Portman, Ewan Macgregor, Liam Neeson and others are respectable actors in their own right, but the script and their delivery of such slough left a terrible taste.
I am going to have to avoid this thread for the forseeable future to avoid spoilers. My brother already ruined one of the big moments of TFA before I had watched it.
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Went in to the theaters today. Was planning on doing a double-header of SW:TLJ and Dunkirk, but could only watch the former and not the latter. (I no longer have the time nor the patience to do that. My 20-year-old self is disappointed with me.) In some ways I regret that decision because tomorrow was the last day they were showing Dunkirk in theaters and this was probably the more "superior" choice of the two. Plus, that breaks my streak of seeing every Nolan flick on the big screen since Batman Begins came out. Now that's not to say I didn't enjoy TLJ. In fact, I thought the story had more originality than TFA, which I felt leaned too heavily on nostalgia for its own good.
I have some criticisms but am too lazy to list them all. But the biggest criticism I have
I have some criticisms but am too lazy to list them all. But the biggest criticism I have
Snoke's ship chasing Resistance's ship just seemed too long.
