Movies Star Wars Episodes I-IX general thread

[martinbo]

I've seen it twice too - my daughter, ahem, forced me. It's fantastic - simple as that.

 

[montana]

Had a second viewing to try and see what I missed first time around. Still great, balsay with a great deal of realism.

Can't imagine what the fan boys are upset about. Obviously RJ has added the more realistic tendencies that would actually happen. As an example: and Spoliers if you have yet to see it.

Starships can run out of fuel. The Evil Empire and First Order wore pristine uniforms because they had an excellent laundry service on their Star Destroyers. And people do not have to come from linage to be somebody.
Also when they are escaping on the Millennium Falcon when Finn opens that drawer to take out a jacket, Rey has stolen Luke's rare Jedi books. So it's a good job he projected himself because they would encounter a heavy fine for non-return. Even more Rey had an accomplice who destroyed any evidence of the crime.

As for Snoke?
I think there is still subterfuge. I think he will return.

If it was a stand-alone film, then sure it would be great. Really. But as a continuation of the Star Wars saga this movie is just... bad.
It's like a movie for teenagers. Rey is a boring character, and Ben Solo/Kylo changes his mood throughout the movie to the point that it just gets confusing and tiresome. Nothing wrong with the acting itself (Adam Drivers acting is amazing imo), but the way they portray his character just translates to an angry, snobby teenager who doesn't get his way. Star Wars shouldn't be about that; It should be about powerful characters doing great things.
And Rose is just god damn unnecessary, why on EARTH did they create that character, when they could've put more emphasis on, say, SNOKE, who actually is badass??

I can't believe they did this. This video sums up my thoughts pretty well actually:

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[Matski]

I can't believe they did this. This video sums up my thoughts pretty well actually:

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Hmmmm, I hope you're not as hate filled as that dude.

 

[montana]

Hmmmm, I hope you're not as hate filled as that dude.

Lol no, I just find it sad to be honest. The funny thing is, if you look beyond all the shouting etc. in the video, his points are 100% objectively valid. It's one of those situations where you don't know whether you should laugh or cry. I choose the latter.

 

[Matski]

Lol no, I just find it sad to be honest. The funny thing is, if you look beyond all the shouting etc. in the video, his points are 100% objectively valid. It's one of those situations where you don't know whether you should laugh or cry. I choose the latter.

I think fundamentally the Star Wars universe now is a much bigger place than the majority of movie-goers will really know about, and that has an effect on a lot of peoples perceptions, some for better, some for worse.

 

[martinbo]

Lol no, I just find it sad to be honest. The funny thing is, if you look beyond all the shouting etc. in the video, his points are 100% objectively valid. It's one of those situations where you don't know whether you should laugh or cry. I choose the latter.

That video is so filled with hate speech and blatant racism that I'm actually certain its maker is a f#cking idiot.
We're talking Star Wars - a fairy tale set in space - where the rules of our world don't apply. Star Wars always had that element of anything goes in varying degrees from the sublime to the ridiculous.

This moron takes, as an example, exception to the lack of application of earthly laws of physics regarding the vacuum of space. Did this f#ckhead not watch TESB where a giant asteroid dwelling space worm - yes existing out in that very same vacuum of space - ingests a spacecraft. I'm not even going to mention how different spacecraft have their own distinctive sound in... space. That place of the vacuum. I could write an essay on the extremity of Star Wars' tenuousness.

People seem to think that they have a handle on the what goes and what doesn't in the Star Wars canon.
I grew up with Star Wars being the definitive work of science fiction in the 20th Century during the late 70s and early 80s and even back then true fans knew not to take it too seriously. It's a fundamental tenet of the entire saga.

 

[TheNewBATMAN]

And Rose is just god damn unnecessary, why on EARTH did they create that character, ??

To appeal to the chinese market. Where more than half of moviegoers are females, who look more like Rose than Fan Bing Bing (google her).

Big movies have at least minor Chinese (or at least chinese-like Asian ) character who sticks out, speak some sentences in English and usually dies before the end of the movie.

In the second to latest movie featuring me, Lex Luthor had a super hot Korean megastar assistant whom I wantedto take to my bedcave but unfortunately she, well, died in a stupid bomb explosion.

 

[SCOTT27]

To appeal to the chinese market. Where more than half of moviegoers are females, who look more like Rose than Fan Bing Bing (google her).

Big movies have at least minor Chinese (or at least Asian like Korean or Japanese) character who sticks out, speak some sentences in English and usually dies before the end of the movie.

In the second to latest movie featuring me, Lex Luthor had a super hot Korean megastar assistant whom I wantedto take to my bedcave but unfortunately she, well, died in a stupid bomb explosion.

The actress is Vietnamese-American.

 

[SCOTT27]

That video is so filled with hate speech and blatant racism that I'm actually certain its maker is a f$%king idiot.
We're talking Star Wars - a fairy tale set in space - where the rules of our world don't apply. Star Wars always had that element of anything goes in varying degrees from the sublime to the ridiculous.

This moron takes, as an example, exception to the lack of application of earthly laws of physics regarding the vacuum of space. Did this f$%khead not watch TESB where a giant asteroid dwelling space worm - yes existing out in that very same vacuum of space - ingests a spacecraft. I'm not even going to mention how different spacecraft have their own distinctive sound in... space. That place of the vacuum. I could write an essay on the extremity of Star Wars' tenuousness.

People seem to think that they have a handle on the what goes and what doesn't in the Star Wars canon.
I grew up with Star Wars being the definitive work of science fiction in the 20th Century during the late 70s and early 80s and even back then true fans knew not to take it too seriously. It's a fundamental tenet of the entire saga.

The Bombs from the bombers were magnitzed. Therefore they could drop on to their target.

 

[TheNewBATMAN]

The Bombs from the bombers were magnitzed. Therefore they could drop on to their target.

Like when I throw my batarangs and they stick to the fridge?

 

[Matski]

That video is so filled with hate speech and blatant racism that I'm actually certain its maker is a f$%king idiot.
We're talking Star Wars - a fairy tale set in space - where the rules of our world don't apply. Star Wars always had that element of anything goes in varying degrees from the sublime to the ridiculous.

This moron takes, as an example, exception to the lack of application of earthly laws of physics regarding the vacuum of space. Did this f$%khead not watch TESB where a giant asteroid dwelling space worm - yes existing out in that very same vacuum of space - ingests a spacecraft. I'm not even going to mention how different spacecraft have their own distinctive sound in... space. That place of the vacuum. I could write an essay on the extremity of Star Wars' tenuousness.

People seem to think that they have a handle on the what goes and what doesn't in the Star Wars canon.
I grew up with Star Wars being the definitive work of science fiction in the 20th Century during the late 70s and early 80s and even back then true fans knew not to take it too seriously. It's a fundamental tenet of the entire saga.

I wasn't going to focus on this aspect too much. Though you're absolutely right... I think it is reasonable to criticise some of these things because they are inaccurate and that does make it harder to suspend disbelief - but most people wouldn't uphold that criticism because, as you say, there is much precedent for such stuff over the last 40 years in Star Wars already, and people that claim to be fans should know this...

The thing I did think about focusing on, but chose not to because it might be boring and nerdy, was the current canonical Star Wars universe. Some of the criticisms I saw before stopping the video are simply unfounded - that guy in the video is spewing hate based on stuff he doesn't know. Geek level fans do know this stuff.. and people who might love Star Wars just as much, but not invest in it at all beyond the runtime of the films, don't. This is one of the reasons I think there's a lot of divided opinions on the film.

... but we've got to be careful about saying stuff like "true fans", because it's not really a useful term to contextualise someones standpoint. Should a true fan know that a space worm is actually called an Exogorth, or is that too much?

 

[montana]

That video is so filled with hate speech and blatant racism that I'm actually certain its maker is a f$%king idiot.
We're talking Star Wars - a fairy tale set in space - where the rules of our world don't apply. Star Wars always had that element of anything goes in varying degrees from the sublime to the ridiculous.

This moron takes, as an example, exception to the lack of application of earthly laws of physics regarding the vacuum of space. Did this f$%khead not watch TESB where a giant asteroid dwelling space worm - yes existing out in that very same vacuum of space - ingests a spacecraft. I'm not even going to mention how different spacecraft have their own distinctive sound in... space. That place of the vacuum. I could write an essay on the extremity of Star Wars' tenuousness.

People seem to think that they have a handle on the what goes and what doesn't in the Star Wars canon.
I grew up with Star Wars being the definitive work of science fiction in the 20th Century during the late 70s and early 80s and even back then true fans knew not to take it too seriously. It's a fundamental tenet of the entire saga.

While I agree that he may be a "f$%king idiot" and yes his language is unnecessarily vulgar, as stated earlier a lot of his points make sense. And certainly the rules of our world do apply to some extent, lots of the characters are human beings.
As for the spaceworm, I didn't really get your point there (not that your point isn't valid, I just didn't understand what you were trying to say). If you're talking solely about the sound of the spacecraft then sure, you probably know way more about it than I do.

It's not really stuff like that that makes this a bad movie in my eyes (sound and laws of "space/vacuum"), it's the story that's extremely dissappointing. It doesn't feel connected to the other movies. SO many random characters and stuff that don't really make any difference or sense. Even capn Phasma - WHY is she even in the film? In the trailers she seems like someone who should get way more backstory and screentime.

There are so many plotholes we could probably go on forever but I'll just end it here. You loved it, I just don't. The ingredients of a good Star Wars film just are nowhere to be found. All just my opinion anyway.

 

[Matski]

Even capn Phasma - WHY is she even in the film? In the trailers she seems like someone who should get way more backstory and screentime.

She's in the movie to sell unsold TFA merchandise...

Seriously though, she got a novel- I've read it, it was alright, it covered her life from her upbringing, to meeting the First Order, and some of the stuff she then did. She also got a 4 issue comic run explaining what happened to her after she was thrown in the trash compactor in TFA.

Again, there are parrallels with the Star Wars original trilogy... Boba Fett. Highly popular supporting character in the original trilogy, got virtually no screen time though, and got killed* by a bumbling Han Solo, along with a Firework sound effect.

A lot of stuff that people don't like about TLJ, is stuff that nostalgia allows them to forgive the original films for... though that's just my opinion anyway

*he didn't die, in new canon... maybe

 

[montana]

She's in the movie to sell unsold TFA merchandise...

Seriously though, she got a novel- I've read it, it was alright, it covered her life from her upbringing, to meeting the First Order, and some of the stuff she then did. She also got a 4 issue comic run explaining what happened to her after she was thrown in the trash compactor in TFA.

Again, there are parrallels with the Star Wars original trilogy... Boba Fett. Highly popular supporting character in the original trilogy, got virtually no screen time though, and got killed* by a bumbling Han Solo, along with a Firework sound effect.

A lot of stuff that people don't like about TLJ, is stuff that nostalgia allows them to forgive the original films for... though that's just my opinion anyway

*he didn't die, in new canon... maybe

That wouldn't surprise me, lol.
I understand your point; it's just that Boba Fett actually did make a difference. He did Vader's bidding. Phasma doesn't do anything other than wearing a silver Stormtrooper suit.

I'm glad you both liked it though. Always nice to hear other people's opinions.

 

[braaf]

So I saw Star War TLJ last night. I ignored all the critics reviews and the backlash from fans and just wanted to see if it could continue from TFA. The movie started great, good pace with good action and great special effects.

Even the scene where Rey and Luke meet was good and was in continuing with the story line. But then it all went to shit. There was way too much time spent on that island and that part of the movie was just unnecessarily bloated. Some of the dialogue was terrible and the story just got lost from there.


It was the second act that was the worst and i really wanted to get up leave but i wasn't abut to waste my money. Have to agree with Martin WRT to the Rebel cruiser light speed scene. Its not the most amazing thing I've ever seen cinematically, but it sure was a sight to behold.

The third act was much better with the pace picking up and some really great action sequences. In a nut shell I was disappointed because TFA was such a great movie and TLJ just couldn't match TFAs greatness.

5/10.

 

[Monster]

I read a few reviews of the new Star Wars movie, apparently the story was horrible and it destroyed the history of star wars. Is it that bad?

 

[SCOTT27]

I read a few reviews of the new Star Wars movie, apparently the story was horrible and it destroyed the history of star wars. Is it that bad?

Best description is that when it comes to Star Wars it does not play safe like The Force Awakens nor does it play on fan boy theory.
If you have ever watched the Clone Wars Cartoon still when George was in charge and especially the Mortis trilogy. It plays into themes apparent in the Last Jedi especially about the Force and the light side and dark side. To be more frank. There is a lot more to the Force mythology than you would expect.

If you expect somebody to have a powerful relative, Spaceships in Star Wars to actually run out of fuel, see an imperial laundry service and see someone use the Dark Side to throw them about the bridge of a Star Destroyer even though Darth Vader could force choke one of his sub-ordinates from another Star Destroyer in the Empire Strikes Back.
These are Some of the complaints fans have then you will not enjoy The Last Jedi.

But if you want to see a dose of realism added to the fantasy and some Samuel L Jackson "Deep Blue Sea" moments. Then suspend all fan boy relief and go and enjoy.
Especially in IMAX.

 

[Matski]

I read a few reviews of the new Star Wars movie, apparently the story was horrible and it destroyed the history of star wars. Is it that bad?

Nope, it's not bad at all. But haters gon' hate..... because it gets them more clicks.

 

[martinbo]

I read a few reviews of the new Star Wars movie, apparently the story was horrible and it destroyed the history of star wars. Is it that bad?

You haven't been reading the right reviews. In fact, I'd be surprised if you've read any actual reviews - those by people who are actually paid to write - at all.

 

[braaf]

I read a few reviews of the new Star Wars movie, apparently the story was horrible and it destroyed the history of star wars. Is it that bad?

For me it was. Star Wars is supposed to be a Sci fi adventure, but this movie was exactly like Guardians 2.

The reason I say that is because this movie does absolutely Jack Sh%t to advance the story. Instead you're forced to watch Rebel ships take run out of fuel, Luke apparently train Rey which doesn't actually happen and a locksmith (who gave a great performance might i add).

The movie was way too long, it just felt bloated. It didn't need to be more than 2 hours long.

The cinematography was ok. There were some great scenes though. Visual effects was great.