Artura [Spy Shots] McLaren 570S Successor Spied With Production Body, Hybrid Sticker

[Jo_Sta7]

Fantastic cars. If Mclaren offered a 7 year free service like Ferrari it would greatly help residuals. They have to improve QC.

 

[drifter1]

Thanks for sharing!
I am a data science geek and am a sucker for quantitative analysis. When ta...

Fantastic cars. If Mclaren offered a 7 year free service like Ferrari it would greatly help re...

They offer a 12 year extended warranty. Who else offers this?

 

[drifter1]

Wait

Thanks for sharing!
I am a data science geek and am a sucker for quantitative analysis. When ta...

Wait a second, 2018-2019 488's are going for as much, or less than their 720 S counterparts. They're in the 180's-200's. Let that sink in.

Used Ferrari 488 for Sale in Edmond, OK - CarGurus


Used McLaren 720S for Sale in Edmond, OK - CarGurus

These are cars that are for sale currently nationwide.

 

[Jo_Sta7]

Here’s the facts, I can afford pretty much any car I’d like. My preferred car is a 720S. I consider it a monumental accomplishment. I test drove one in Chicago last year, at Mclaren Chicago dealer. On the test drive the brand new car threw faults and limped back to the dealer. With prices coming down I inquired about another. The person who brokered my 458 deal owns a large custom and detail shop in NY and FLA. I told him I wanted a 720S. He said “look, we’ve pulled apart a lot of cars, the 720S is one of the worst built cars we see. They’re bad ass though when they are working”. The buyers of these cars aren’t dumb. They know the reputation Mclaren has developed. It’s what forces the cars in massive depreciation. I’d own a 720S if it was built better and I’d gladly pay $400k (brand new MSRP) if I knew it would be flawless for me.

 

[drifter1]

In the UK there are a few websites that provide the trade-in value for cars. These tend to be a...

Please list the dealers you're referring to, otherwise it's just hearsay.

What exactly does it prove by saying you can afford pretty much any car? I'm sure there are several members on this forum, with a few million dollars in the bank as well, who are in a similar position.

Here’s the facts, I can afford pretty much any car I’d like. My preferred car is a 720S. I...

There's really no way of proving this, so go ahead.

There's really no way of proving this, so go ahead.

They made less than 500 total. Much more care into them. Plus I’m sure P1 had a lot of recal...

I know the LaFerrai did.

Here’s the facts, I can afford pretty much any car I’d like. My preferred car is a 720S. I...

Hate to break it to you, but the 458 is not renowned for its reliability. What year is yours?

Thanks for sharing!
I am a data science geek and am a sucker for quantitative analysis. When ta...

You are talking through your ...

2011 458's are going are in the 110-120 range. Show me one 2018 or 2019 720 S for that price.

The McLaren hate is strong with you.

Why don't you make a YouTube video on that. You can get a 2011 458 for the price of a 2018 720 S. Problem is, you'll have to source it from the same dealer that sold Jack his magic beans.

 

[A.P.]

You are talking through your ...

2011 458's are going are in the 110-120 range. Show me one...

I have seen 720Ses on the web in the range of $180 to 190k which had MSRPs well into $330-350k range. They also had reasonable miles on them.

I think he meant 570S, which makes sense as they are in the depreciated 458 range (from 110 to 120).

Biggest respect goes to 600LT owners, rip those prices and people who took a hit on those. That's even worse than the 12C and 650S depreciation. You can find 600LTs with MSO options for less than $200k. with less than 5000 miles on the odo. That's insane.

 

[Jo_Sta7]

Hate to break it to you, but the 458 is not renowned for its reliability. What year is yours?...

5 unprompted and quoted replies to one post! Mclaren fanboy much?!

 

[drifter1]

5 unprompted and quoted replies to one post! Mclaren fanboy much?!

5 unprompted and quoted replies to one post! Mclaren fanboy much?!

Man you're so cool. I'll choose not to listen to someone who wants to preach about reliability yet, your choices do not reflect that same concern.

 

[drifter1]

I have seen 720Ses on the web in the range of $180 to 190k which had MSRPs well into $330-350k ra...

I have seen 720Ses on the web in the range of $180 to 190k which had MSRPs well into $330-350k ra...

Isn't it fair to say that practically every supercar depreciates or am I missing something here? There's a GT2 RS with a Weissach Package that was for sale at around 268 K. With ADM that car was well into the 400's.

Pistas with sticker prices over 500 are also going for around 400 K already. There's a whole thread on Ferrarichat dedicated to Pista depreciation.

 

[A.P.]

Isn't it fair to say that practically every supercar depreciates or am I missing something he...

To a certain degree that is correct. The GT2 RS you're talking about had an msrp of around $350k. Pistas a few weeks ago were worth $520k or more, but as you have seen they have gone down, probably most likely due to the Corona situation.

The facts still stand, all McLarens have lost way more in value compared to the competition. $100k to $200k in value loss in 1-2 years is f#cked up on these kind of cars no matter how you spin it. Closest supercars that comes to mind with McLaren depreciation are Lamborghini Huracan and Audi R8, but those are mass-produced supercars which have well exceeded 10 000 units, something all McLaren models haven't done yet. I think 570S is coming close, but still nowhere near.

 

[drifter1]

To a certain degree that is correct. The GT2 RS you're talking about had an msrp of around $350k....

A 600 LT has an MSRP of $255 K. Taking a fully loaded MSO example and using it as a yardstick for depreciation is hardly playing fair.

Have you ever heard of ADM on Porsches? The dealer sets the price. MSRP doesn't enter the equation.

If you want a car that doesn't depreciate, get yourself a FORD GT or a hypercar.

I respectfully disagree that they depreciate significantly more than their competition . 570 s loses about $1500 dollars more per year than a Turbo S. The .1 versions of the latter fare much worse.

720s depreciates about as much as the 488 as well .

Senna doesn't really have any competition to judge it against. I can't think of anything.

The whole depreciation thing is overblown. If you think you're not going to lose money on any of these cars, you're the eternal optimist

Just my 2c. If one obsesses about how much money one is going to lose on a movable asset, you're best off not getting one

 

[drifter1]

To a certain degree that is correct. The GT2 RS you're talking about had an msrp of around $350k....

Pistas were going down way before COVID 19 reared its ugly head. I've been watching them very closely.

 

[Centurion]

Wait


Wait a second, 2018-2019 488's are going for as much, or less than their 720 S counter...

Please list the dealers you're referring to, otherwise it's just hearsay.

I am not anti-Mclaren btw. I think their cars are superb and the brand is a much-needed alternative to Ferrari and Lamborghini. Furthermore, if something gives you joy then depreciation shouldn't keep you up at night.

Obviously I don't pity those who buy supercars as "investments" or have the view that they can get in and out of supercars with little or no financial penalty. Ferrari and Lamborghini are pumping out more cars and new models than ever making "exclusivity" short-lived.

However, steeper than expected depreciation reflected in very low trade-in values is bad if you have a change in life circumstances, change of heart or simply want out of the car.

There is a lot that's said about Mclaren. Some is hearsay and some is not. Does it matter? No, because both can affect perception and desirability just as bad.

Tread with discussions about trade-in values
Dealers won't buy used 720s - Page 1 - McLaren - PistonHeads


Mclaren financial services are offered exceptional finance deals on a brand new 600LT. These are the type of deals that are causing FUD and give prospective buyers little incentive to buy a used or nearly new car.

£34k deposit is £1,499 for 25 months is incredible value for money for a car that does 0-62mph in 2.9sec.

New McLaren 600LT Spider Finance Offer From £1,499 a month with 6.4% APR Representative.

The 720S is offered by Mclaren finance at even less.

New McLaren 720S Coupé Finance Offer Available with 6.4% APR Representative.

 

[Levi68]

LFA, the supercar with Landcruiser reliability and old/young-timer appreciation. 400K for an LFA was not a bad price afterall.

 

[drifter1]

I am not anti-Mclaren btw. I think their cars are superb and the brand is a much-needed alterna...

Agree with most of what you're saying, but some of the stuff floating out there is just pure bull....
It's truly laughable. Like guys claiming all 5 test cars at the launch broke down etc, but wont divulge when or where it happened. Or they heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend

The funny thing is, McLaren is allowing journalists to road trip the GT for up to 2000 km's at a time. None of them have spontaneously combusted or broken down. Brooks over at Dragtimes has probably launched his car over a thousand times and I've yet to see it blow up. Not making light of any issues that anyone else has had, and if their warranty wasn't honoured that would be a problem.

Having said that, a lot of what's being said is purely noise from people who have their own agendas, or take pleasure in denigrating other brands to validate their own choice. The worst part about it is most of them have never even owned one.

 

[Jo_Sta7]

It’s impressive such a young brand has gained such ardent fanboys.

 

[mihc]

Still I'm a bit sceptic if they are truly so unreliable. Last I checked Ferrari,Porsche and others are also not bullet proof...

 

[drifter1]

It’s impressive such a young brand has gained such ardent fanboys.

Pot calling the kettle black. If buying two of the same cars isn't rabid fanboyism I don't know what is.

Then again, you can afford any car, so why haven't you purchased a LaFerrari or be better yet, a McLaren F1 so you can quit bitching about depreciation.

 

[Jo_Sta7]

Pot calling the kettle black. If buying two of the same cars isn't rabid fanboyism I don't kn...

I have a BMW M5C, an Acura NSX, Camaro ZL1. How is that pot calling kettle black? You’re posting 5 consecutive posts defending a car brand that unless you have an equity stake in, makes you a fanboy. I’ll rip or praise Mclaren (by the way I’m far more complimentary of Mclaren than not), Ferrari, Lambo or any other as it’s deserved. You should try it. Now run along.

 

[drifter1]

I have a BMW M5C, an Acura NSX, Camaro ZL1. How is that pot calling kettle black? You’re pos...

Good for you. None of those depreciate