M3/M4 [Spy Shots] BMW M3 & M4 (G80/G82/G83)

[mini_cooper4]

We're in for something revolting I'd bet.

 

[Mii]

Line trace based on the latest spyshot. With wider front fenders and bumper interpretation, taller kidney grilles with horizontal slats integrated nicely IMO.

It appears BMW is exploring the option by turning each side of kidney grilles 90 degree, then combined both kidney grilles in one taller piece as the new design language.

 

[Monster]

I have not seen the M3(yet?) however the 4er Grille is not as mad.

This is still a worry, not as mad, but still mad? Correct?

 

[klier]

This is still a worry, not as mad, but still mad? Correct?

The mad queen.

 

[SCOTT27]

This is still a worry, not as mad, but still mad? Correct?

Nothing to worry about. If you are worried about that mega-sized Cow-catcher Grille.
It is not as meteric crazy as that render. It's more in proportion with the Vision iDynamics/i4.

Look at this spy shot and although it's not the finished M hood. You can see the bonnet lines and the Grille outlines in these two pictures.

 

[Mii]

Possible hood line trace. Top section on kidney grilles may exhibit 3D sculpted feature similar to Vision iDynamics/i4. The proportion of grilles to overall front facia design is going to look quite aggressive and eye catching.

The design concept of taller grilles kept reminding me Bugatti even I know they don't look the same.

 

[Centurion]

I think the end result will be smashing and make it instantly recognisable and hard to mistake for an M340i.

 

[hovabongZA]

So according to ynguldyn there may no longer be a M3/4 manual RWD as previously stated:


“I am withdrawing most of my forecasting on G8x M3/M4. It appears the lineup has been significantly reshuffled, with at least one version cancelled for production. Furthermore, I can't figure out the new situation well enough to describe it in detail. Therefore, I can no longer guarantee neither RWD nor manual models. All I know is that there will be M3/M4 and M3/M4 Competition, and that there will be more separation between regular and Competition models than before. Everything else is a mystery to me now. BMW, you win a point here.”

 

[Centurion]

So according to ynguldyn there may no longer be a M3/4 manual RWD as previously stated:


“I am withdrawing most of my forecasting on G8x M3/M4. It appears the lineup has been significantly reshuffled, with at least one version cancelled for production. Furthermore, I can't figure out the new situation well enough to describe it in detail. Theref...

If the AWD is switchable I don’t see logic in offering a strict RWD version version when a 50-70kg difference is immaterial to the way the average consumer drive and spec their cars.

The added supply chain complexity wouldn’t be worth it.

 

[advantage20]

So probably:


Base: RWD, 475ps, 8AT or 6MT
Competition: AWD, 500ps, 8AT.

 

[savage-It]

This car with a decent and easy tune, could be easily an M5 contender ...being about 300 kg lighter.
New M3 :1680 kg x 550 hp? (3.05 kg x hp)
vs
M5 : 1980 kg x 625 hp (3,04 kg x hp considering that she has not less than 650 hp in real life).
with no doubt the new M3 has an huge potential...
I really hope she will not weight more than 1680 kg in AWD version and competition model..

 

[hovabongZA]

The best compromise for the“purist”would be 6spd manual with the switchable AWD system from the M5 but with ‘DSC on’ option for the 2WD unlike the M5 which requires DSC off for 2WD.

So basically the same as this current generation F8x just with MxDrive.

 

[Centurion]

So probably:


Base: RWD, 475ps, 8AT or manual
Competition: AWD, 500ps, 8AT.

Spec sheet numbers matter and an M4 without AWD will be uncompetitive on imperfect surfaces against the M5, M340i and possibly even the F40 M135i.

AMG have even hinted that future models will likely be AWD which makes sense as cars are nowadays producing too much low end torque to successfully put down. The M5’s AWD isn’t intrusive and shouldn’t be considered negative the front wheels only bite when necessary and make the power usable on wet roads.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Is their switchable AWD system able to work with a manual transmission? I thought there was some mention of incompatibility between those two system and that's the big reason the M5 is an 8AT-only affair?

EDIT: or maybe the high torque numbers generated by the M5's TT-V8 is restrcting issue?

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Is their switchable AWD system able to work with a manual transmission? I thought there was some mention of incompatibility between those two system and that's the big reason the M5 is an 8AT-only affair?

EDIT: or maybe the high torque numbers generated by the M5's TT-V8 is restrcting issue?

This is what will happen: I6 TT from X3M/X4M with M Xdrive AWD (switchable) and 8ZFhpxx. Competition from the start (BMW can't afford to lose that margin), later GT4 and CS version possible. There won't be a manual. There won't be RWD. There won't be a V8.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

This is what will happen: I6 TT from X3M/X4M with M Xdrive AWD (switchable) and 8ZFhpxx. Competition from the start (BMW can't afford to lose that margin), later GT4 and CS version possible. There won't be a manual. There won't be RWD. There won't be a V8.

No manual in an M5 I can understand, but no manual in an M3? Now that's going to be met with some backlash.

Curious to know what was the take-rate for the manual vs. DCT in the F80/81/82.

 

[CrunchSlaughtered]

No manual in an M5 I can understand, but no manual in an M3? Now that's going to be met with some backlash.

Curious to know what was the take-rate for the manual vs. DCT in the F80/81/82.

30% manuals in the US, much less in the rest of the world.

 

[hovabongZA]

Ive always said car enthusiasts are much more critical of BMW than its competitors ,whether it’s the change of the grills, Hoffkink , L shape of the taillight, FWD, AWD M cars now with the possibility of no manual in the the M3/4 the sky is going to fall.

This is probably going to be the most critiqued M3/4 for its looks and possible lack of the manual but like M3/4s before it, sell more units than the generation before it.

 

[manuelf]

If now it turns out different than ynguldyn has initially claimed, he didn't do a favor to the hardcore M crowd. Seems they already accepted G8x going the F90 route, before the talk of pure/RWD versions started.

I know I'm repetitive here: The introduction of Mxdrive with the F90 was a success story, because F10 M5 was - comparably - a fat pig! So in F90 it simply meant: Doubling traction without any weight penalty!
This isn't reproduceable with G8x.
BUT ... even a G8x with AWD tipping the scale at 1680 kg is imho no problem at all anymore! Look at the icon 911.
Current 992 Carrera S had a weight of 1570kg in sport auto test. A Carrera 4S will be easily way above 1600kg. So who in its right mind should argue about a G8x, which only weighs 50kg more than a pure sports car icon?

 

[klier]

30% manuals in the US, much less in the rest of the world.

Like 0.2% in Europe I would imagine.
But 99% of Americans can't even drive a manual, so for them it's something very special.

BUT ... even a G8x with AWD tipping the scale at 1680 kg is imho no problem at all anymore! Look at the icon911.

It is a problem, and just becuse Porsche is making a fat pig doesn't mean BMW will automtaically do so too. Though I am fully expecting some weight gain.