911 (991) [Spy Shots] 2011 Porsche 911 (991) Spy pics & info
The Porsche 991 is the seventh generation of the Porsche 911 sports car, produced from September 2011 to December 2019. It was unveiled at the 2011 Frankfurt Motor Show on 15 September as the replacement for the 997.
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Centurion
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re: 998 Porsche 911 (Spy pics & info)
After some thinking I have gathered some thoughts on this mule. The 997 facelift was introduced close to 6 months ago meaning that the 998 can be as little as 2.5 years away from launch. So this mule has appeared in the typical time for prototypes to roll out on the roads, after all the Panamera was on the roads for an agonizing 3 years.
This may well be the real body of the car as the width of the car and shape of the roof are too sophisticated for a scrap heap shell. After all it's a 911 carries on the basic shape for the next generation leaving Porsche with no reason to conceal the car using a cardboard box as everybody knows relatively what to expect for the next generation. Compared with the 997, the mule has a bulkier front-end in order to comply with the new regulations, roof is much streamlined and lower too. Secondly the car seem to carry a production ready door like new Cayenne does.
What interest me are the side mirrors since a head of Porsche's R&D department claimed a while ago that the 998 will do without side mirrors. As it looks the mule has 997 head lights glued on top of the front fenders. Like with the Panamera the 998 will most likely get more sophisticated head lights using LED instead of halogen bulbs.
After some thinking I have gathered some thoughts on this mule. The 997 facelift was introduced close to 6 months ago meaning that the 998 can be as little as 2.5 years away from launch. So this mule has appeared in the typical time for prototypes to roll out on the roads, after all the Panamera was on the roads for an agonizing 3 years.
This may well be the real body of the car as the width of the car and shape of the roof are too sophisticated for a scrap heap shell. After all it's a 911 carries on the basic shape for the next generation leaving Porsche with no reason to conceal the car using a cardboard box as everybody knows relatively what to expect for the next generation. Compared with the 997, the mule has a bulkier front-end in order to comply with the new regulations, roof is much streamlined and lower too. Secondly the car seem to carry a production ready door like new Cayenne does.
What interest me are the side mirrors since a head of Porsche's R&D department claimed a while ago that the 998 will do without side mirrors. As it looks the mule has 997 head lights glued on top of the front fenders. Like with the Panamera the 998 will most likely get more sophisticated head lights using LED instead of halogen bulbs.
Centurion
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re: 998 Porsche 911 (Spy pics & info)
Some insight into what type or Aerodynamic inventions Porsche is hiding under the camo. The expendable wing on the Panamera is just step one, Porsche has more amazing tricks in the pipeline. At the rear of the test mule Porsche is hiding a massive device which will make the aerodynamic gizmos on a 747 look like a thing of the past.
Some insight into what type or Aerodynamic inventions Porsche is hiding under the camo. The expendable wing on the Panamera is just step one, Porsche has more amazing tricks in the pipeline. At the rear of the test mule Porsche is hiding a massive device which will make the aerodynamic gizmos on a 747 look like a thing of the past.
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Well that is a bit exaggerated. The reason why Porsche needed all these new device is because they can't use a diffuser at the rear to generate the required down force. The engine is in the way so the angle of the rear diffuser is very limited. Full credit for Porsche for using creative engineering solutions to solve their problem.
Sayyaaf
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re: 998 Porsche 911 (Spy pics & info)
Well Hassan, here is something interesting, in the 90s Mitsubishi had the 3000 GT coupe, at that time it had an active front air damping system with a lip that gets lower with speed and an active rear wing also. Heck even the exhaust note was controlled by a switch !!!
Read this:
Mitsubishi 3000GT Review – Edmunds.com
Well Hassan, here is something interesting, in the 90s Mitsubishi had the 3000 GT coupe, at that time it had an active front air damping system with a lip that gets lower with speed and an active rear wing also. Heck even the exhaust note was controlled by a switch !!!
Read this:
Mitsubishi 3000GT Review – Edmunds.com
klier
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re: 998 Porsche 911 (Spy pics & info)
Nothing special. My friend's 1993 Toyota Supra has this too.
Nothing special. My friend's 1993 Toyota Supra has this too.
coolraoul
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re: 998 Porsche 911 (Spy pics & info)
I can't read, it's too small.
I hope that if you're right, it'll be a better "revolution" than the 996 was:
-thrashed reliability (motors breakdown are common in this generation, it never happened with any of the others, bar maybe the 911 2.7 (not the mythical RS model!!) and its magnesium oil-carter),
-fatty styling with ugly headlamps and flat rear fenders,
-bio-destroyed untypical interior,
-much increased weight,
-softer, less metallic and thrilling noise...
The handling was much better than the 993 though... but the typical "rear-motor character" was diluted.
The car became much less sporty than it was, and lost its soul. That was indeed a revolution...
Porsche became a mass-producer, thus it needed the GT3 for true enthusiasts, as the regular 996 couldn't satisfy them.
The 996 was, by far, the worst ever 911. I hate it. Only the GT3 is worth mentionning (and in fact a true masterpiece), all the others were a nightmare.
I can't read, it's too small.
I hope that if you're right, it'll be a better "revolution" than the 996 was:
-thrashed reliability (motors breakdown are common in this generation, it never happened with any of the others, bar maybe the 911 2.7 (not the mythical RS model!!) and its magnesium oil-carter),
-fatty styling with ugly headlamps and flat rear fenders,
-bio-destroyed untypical interior,
-much increased weight,
-softer, less metallic and thrilling noise...
The handling was much better than the 993 though... but the typical "rear-motor character" was diluted.
The car became much less sporty than it was, and lost its soul. That was indeed a revolution...
Porsche became a mass-producer, thus it needed the GT3 for true enthusiasts, as the regular 996 couldn't satisfy them.The 996 was, by far, the worst ever 911. I hate it. Only the GT3 is worth mentionning (and in fact a true masterpiece), all the others were a nightmare.
Centurion
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That looooooooooow and phaaaaaaaaaaaaaat. The car looks incredibly serious, I'm still suspecting 8 cylinders considering the dimensions as I can't of another logical explanation since the rear sets still look useless. Peep the giant wheels, is Porsche creating the Hulk of 991? Can't wait to see the Turbo version of this, it's bound to look menacing.
That looooooooooow and phaaaaaaaaaaaaaat. The car looks incredibly serious, I'm still suspecting 8 cylinders considering the dimensions as I can't of another logical explanation since the rear sets still look useless. Peep the giant wheels, is Porsche creating the Hulk of 991? Can't wait to see the Turbo version of this, it's bound to look menacing.
martinbo
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re: 998 Porsche 911 (Spy pics & info)
The more you post these days the more I disagree with you. You're putting forward opinion like it's fact and this is misleading to the community. You can't say that the reliability of the 996 series 3.4 litre water-cooled engines was any worse than that of the air-cooled generations because it's not true. The new water-cooled engines are widely regarded as among the most reliable sports car engines on the market. Here's an example of expert opinion:
996 Reliability by Jim Pasha
I'll give the one on the famously labelled "runny egg" lights. They weren't great but then nothing much in the late nineties was...
996 fat eh? Sure, if you're comparing it to the dinky 993. But as cars of its era go the 911 was and still is an exercise in compactness compared with any of its competitors. And, at 1395 kg for the original 996 Carrera, you can hardly call it heavy.
I don't know what a "bio-destroyed, untypical interior" means. All I know is that the floor-mounted pedals in pre-996 models were uncomfortable to use in my personal driving experience.
For good reasons of safety combined with driver appeal the unmistakable rearwardly balanced dynamics needed to be refined for modern motorist's tastes. Not diluted - the engine's still where it was and the laws of physics will always apply. What people fail to comprehend is that the 996 catapulted the 911 into the 21st century with all of the necessary equipment and performance that modern day buyers of Porsches demand.
The 996 together with the Boxster represent Porsche's latter day success through volume-based sales. It is still NOT a mass-market car. Show me a 911 contemporary that is more "sporty".
Bollocks. The 996 Turbo was regarded as the best car in the world in its day. The most astute motoring journalists hailing it as the "ultimate everyday supercar". In order for the GT3 to be so good means that it had to have a fantastic foundation to begin with er... that was the "nightmare 996". The 996 Carrera 4S was widely lauded as a brilliant naturally aspirated, AWD package in a stunning body kit.
The more you post these days the more I disagree with you. You're putting forward opinion like it's fact and this is misleading to the community. You can't say that the reliability of the 996 series 3.4 litre water-cooled engines was any worse than that of the air-cooled generations because it's not true. The new water-cooled engines are widely regarded as among the most reliable sports car engines on the market. Here's an example of expert opinion:
996 Reliability by Jim Pasha
I'll give the one on the famously labelled "runny egg" lights. They weren't great but then nothing much in the late nineties was...
996 fat eh? Sure, if you're comparing it to the dinky 993. But as cars of its era go the 911 was and still is an exercise in compactness compared with any of its competitors. And, at 1395 kg for the original 996 Carrera, you can hardly call it heavy.
I don't know what a "bio-destroyed, untypical interior" means. All I know is that the floor-mounted pedals in pre-996 models were uncomfortable to use in my personal driving experience.
For good reasons of safety combined with driver appeal the unmistakable rearwardly balanced dynamics needed to be refined for modern motorist's tastes. Not diluted - the engine's still where it was and the laws of physics will always apply. What people fail to comprehend is that the 996 catapulted the 911 into the 21st century with all of the necessary equipment and performance that modern day buyers of Porsches demand.
The car became much less sporty than it was, and lost its soul. That was indeed a revolution...
The 996 together with the Boxster represent Porsche's latter day success through volume-based sales. It is still NOT a mass-market car. Show me a 911 contemporary that is more "sporty".
Bollocks. The 996 Turbo was regarded as the best car in the world in its day. The most astute motoring journalists hailing it as the "ultimate everyday supercar". In order for the GT3 to be so good means that it had to have a fantastic foundation to begin with er... that was the "nightmare 996". The 996 Carrera 4S was widely lauded as a brilliant naturally aspirated, AWD package in a stunning body kit.
Centurion
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re: 998 Porsche 911 (Spy pics & info)
The 911 has not lost it's soul at all. It's still the super exciting sport car it has ever been. The Turbo and standard models are fine, thanks to the introduction of the GT3, enthusiast can experience Porsche in it's purest form and I have yet to read anything negative about the GT3 at all.
The 911 has not lost it's soul at all. It's still the super exciting sport car it has ever been. The Turbo and standard models are fine, thanks to the introduction of the GT3, enthusiast can experience Porsche in it's purest form and I have yet to read anything negative about the GT3 at all.
Centurion
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re: 998 Porsche 911 (Spy pics & info)
The car is butch and we can expect an increase in weight and the only way to counter that is by bumping up the power significantly, which can only be done by an increase in displacement or cylinders. A 4.0L engine or 8 cylinders would give Porsche more room to play around with the Cayman.
The car is butch and we can expect an increase in weight and the only way to counter that is by bumping up the power significantly, which can only be done by an increase in displacement or cylinders. A 4.0L engine or 8 cylinders would give Porsche more room to play around with the Cayman.
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