Sport Auto - Nordschleife laptimes

[Soup]

McLaren 650S Spider Supertest

NBR - 7.35 min
HHR - 1.08,7 min

Döttinger Höhe - 302 km/h

36-Meter-Slalom - 142 km/h

Acceleration
0-100: 3,2s
0-160: 6,1s
0-200: 9,0s

Power/Torque output: 600 PS / 622 Nm

Braking
100-0 (cold): 38,6m
100-0 (warm): 33,2m

Tires
Pirelli P Zero Corsa
235/35R19 - 305/35R20

 

[ffforever]

Slower than 12c...not good

 

[Rolf]

Wow it's 7 sec slower than the less powerful MP4-12C around the Ring! I wonder what happened here?

 

[Soup]

Next month

 

[Rolf]

What time for the M235i round the ring? I expect 8:08 to 8:14, but lets hope its better than that. Its rival are in the 8;10 (Mercedes A45 AMG) to 8:15 range (Golf R).

 

[Zafiro]

What time for the M235i round the ring? I expect 8:08 to 8:14, but lets hope its better than that. Its rival are in the 8;10 (Mercedes A45 AMG) to 8:15 range (Golf R).

Its not a proper M though and I don't see the upcoming M2 going below 8 minutes.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

I'm guessing 8:12 for M235i

 

[Emu]

Slower than 12c...not good

Conditions can be a major factor. Spider version +40kg (~3%) and extra drag. Hockenheim Short was about the same. Nordkurve speed on HS is very good relative to other corners (918 was 130kph there), consistency?

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...ertest-der-herr-des-rings-8375698.html?show=2

The one thing that always confuses me is how the speeds and gs don't seem to align. E.g. 650S Spider Sachshurve 80kph = 1.45g, 918 87kph = 1.45g??? I always understood that a = v^2/r.

Power/Torque output: 600 PS / 622 Nm

50hp down on power, 42lbft down on torque. Measured output or misquote? Weak example?

 

[Soup]

BMW M235i Coupe Supertest

NBR - 8.16 min
HHR - 1.15,4 min

Döttinger Höhe - 247 km/h

Acceleration
0-100: 4,9s
0-160: 11,3s
0-200: 18,5s

Power/Torque output: 338 PS / 478 Nm adjusted to 460 Nm

Braking
100-0 (cold): 36,3m
100-0 (warm): 34,7m

Tires
Michelin Pilot Super Sport
225/40R18 - 245/35R18

 

[Rolf]

Ok surprised a little it is 2sec slower around the Ring than I thought (I was hoping it would get 8:08 to 8:14) and 1sec slower than the less powerful Golf R. It is only fractionally faster than the previous M135i around both tracks.

 

[F40 LeMans]

Incredible how Von Saurma's lap times are always high! Modern supercars are faster but they are not so much faster as they want to sell (old times since the first supertests are always improvable). Respect for him but he is still not a good meter of measure to know how really fast is a car on the nordschleife.
You can compare with videos or telemetry that he use CAUTIONS running always some portions of the track!

 

[Emu]

Incredible how Von Saurma's lap times are always high! Modern supercars are faster but they are not so much faster as they want to sell (old times since the first supertests are always improvable). Respect for him but he is still not a good meter of measure to know how really fast is a car on the nordschleife.
You can compare with videos or telemetry that he use CAUTIONS running always some portions of the track!

I noticed this too. He only ever seems to run good times with 911s.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

 

[Zafiro]

HvS is one of the greatest N-ring drivers and know the track inside to outside. Stop crying ladies!

 

[Emu]

Oh I know but there's only so much you can do with limited laps and his 911 times are significantly better relative to other cars than other magazine tests have shown. I suspect he owns one himself.

 

[F40 LeMans]

I noticed this too. He only ever seems to run good times with 911s.

But he is slow even with 911s... Mr Kurosawa, the Japan driver, was timed 8.08 with a stock Porsche 964 Turbo 2... Von Saurma never did notice the same commitments. He was clocked higher time with faster 911s.

HvS is one of the greatest N-ring drivers and know the track inside to outside. Stop crying ladies!

No one is saying he is a bad driver, but he use cautions on some portions of the track.

An example for all, he USUALLY use the Galgenkopf curve at average speed of 130/140 kph with no difference of car, when some drivers use that portion of track at around 150/160 kph EVEN with older chassis/cars.

This means seconds lost around the track.

 

[Emu]

He is generally much closer, on some occasions he has even pipped factory times. He strikes me as having a lot of 911 seat time.

 

[F40 LeMans]

He is generally much closer, on some occasions he has even pipped factory times. He strikes me as having a lot of 911 seat time.

Yes agree, but we must say that Porsche factory times usually are not the limit.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

Please let's not start another porsche conspiracy theory haha.

 

[F40 LeMans]

Please let's not start another porsche conspiracy theory haha.

Absolutely this is not my intent. This just to say that between cars during the years there is not so much difference as these (Sportauto) times want to sell. Many examples are much closer.

It depends to the commitment and the lenght of the sessions, but some 80'/90's examples are not so far from 00'/10's cars.