Giulia Speculative - Alfa Romeo Giulia (159 replacement)

[Tarek]

Yes, BMW will close doors. That 100 billion tiny company...

Imagine RWD Audis with Porsche engines.

 

[speed_kills]

Imagine RWD Audis with Porsche engines.

An then Porsche did what?
Porsche will be the new money maker at VAG.

PS: The 159 is beautiful but I read it's not very aerodynamic because of the grille.

 

[Tarek]

An then Porsche did what?

Well that is what VW's CEO promised if AR is acquired..

 

[speed_kills]

That was 2007. Now with Porsche they just do a small Panamera and charge the hell out of it.

 

[Levi68]

That was 2007. Now with Porsche they just do a small Panamera and charge the hell out of it.

That was last year, in 2011, while I was in Italy. I remember very well because it was very discussed.

 

[speed_kills]

That was last year, in 2011, while I was in Italy. I remember very well because it was very discussed.

I checked. It was a rumor in 2006 and again in late 2010. Nothing happen.

 

[Levi68]

Renders

Centro Stile Sketches

Centro Stile Clay Model: Alfa Romeo Coleus

Car Magazine Illustration

If somebody has this magazine, could you please scan and post the article about Alfa Romeo ?


Most pics show the car has an FR/FMR layout. Hints at a sporty well balanced RWD sports sedan/wagon.

 

[Gianclaudio]

The back on Coleus looks so smooooth!! But I'm not a fan of the Mito-Giulietta front. I think Giugiaro's work at the 159, Spyder and Brera was miles better. That's why I'm liking this:

 

[Sayyaaf]

if that ever produced, I will have one in my living room

 

[Giannis]

Ιt's taking them too damn long!

 

[Levi68]

Ιt's taking them too damn long!

I agree. But that is surely becasue of the platform which this time Marchione wants to be RWD. I think and hope this time the Alfa will be true 3 Series, C Class and IS rival. I even don't want to count Audi becasue it is nearly FWD with FF-L layout.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

So, when are we going to see this and the purported RWD 166 successor? They sure are taking their sweet time with this.

 

[PanterroR]

Licence plates ruin every Alfa's front...

 

[Levi68]

Licence plates ruin every Alfa's front...

In some way I like that. Alfa does not prepare any place for the licence plate. Now I have the normal licence plate, a small one like I has in Italy is illegal here in France. I don't like it, because it does not fit the curving, even if its made of plexiglass, and I do not have the support, I don't like that huge piece of black plastic. Next time, when I buy the Giulia, if its good and RWD, I'll put a vinyl licence plate of small size.

"Alfas look good, there is no place for a licence plate."

 

[tristatez28lt1]

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/alfa-readies-3-series-rival-2014

by Hilton Holloway
9 August 2012 12:17am
Alfa Romeo’s new Giulia saloon is just months away from being frozen into its final form and committed to production for a 2014 launch. The new BMW 3-series rival is evidence that Fiat Group boss Sergio Marchionne remains determined to revive the ailing brand.
The Giulia will be the first all-new mainstream model launched under Alfa’s revival plan. The saloon, plus the mid-engined 4C sports car (due on sale in early 2014) and the reborn Spider (2015), are intended to put Alfa Romeo firmly back in contention as a viable global premium brand.
The front-drive Giulia (the name is used internally but is not final) will arrive as a saloon first and then a Sportwagon.
Prices are expected to kick off at around £22,000 for the entry-level 120bhp 1.4-litre MultiAir version. In addition to this familiar unit, the Giulia will be powered by a series of new turbocharged petrol engines exclusive to the Alfa brand, including an updated version of the highly regarded 1750 TBi unit used in the defunct 159 and Brera, as well as Fiat’s own diesel powertrains.
Marchionne recently revealed that, in future, Alfa will benefit from a range of engines that are not shared with Fiat-branded cars. However, with Fiat seemingly shrinking back to a core range of Panda and 500-series vehicles, any future clash between them is unlikely.
The Giulia will also use a new MultiAir version of Chrysler’s latest Pentastar petrol V6, though this engine may not make it to Europe. Four-wheel drive will be an option on the Giulia, and is particularly important if Alfa is to successfully relaunch itself in North America.
The new car will aim to compete with the Audi A4 and BMW 3-series in Europe’s compact executive sector. This market is still very healthy, in stark contrast to the mainstream European D-sector market, dominated by cars such as the Ford Mondeo, which is shrinking fast.
The key to the Giulia being taken seriously in established premium company is an updated version of the sophisticated ‘Compact’ platform that underpins the Giulietta. Fiat says 90 per cent of the platform is made up of ‘high-strength’ materials, featuring such technical niceties as a cast aluminium ‘shear plate’ to brace the front chassis legs, greatly improving rigidity for better steering and suspension control.
The Giulia’s underpinnings are the third iteration of this architecture. The second-generation Compact platform, which is wider than the Giulietta platform, currently underpins the Dodge Dart and the Chinese-market Fiat Viaggio. The Giulia gets a further update of the Dart platform, with a longer wheelbase and a rumoured complete upgrade of the independent rear suspension.
The car’s final look — which has been agonised over by Fiat Group bosses — is expected to be finalised this autumn, when the production process is set to begin. A thinly disguised version of the final car is expected to be unveiled in the middle of next year.
The new Alfa could be made alongside the Dodge Dart at Chrysler’s plant in Belvidere, Illinois. Officially, Fiat says this is possible, but no decision has been made.
In truth, building the Giulia in the US will give a huge boost to the chances of a successful relaunch of Alfa there after the brand pulled out of North America in 1995.
Building the Giulia in Europe then shipping it to the US would undermine profitability, and greater economies of scale can be achieved by building the car alongside its Dodge cousin.
The Giulia is also likely to spearhead the introduction of Alfa to the Chinese market, with local production alongside the Viaggio (the Chinese version of the Dodge Dart) a racing certainty.

 

[tristatez28lt1]

http://rumors.automobilemag.com/rep...-2014-with-multiair-pentastar-v-6-162101.html

The much-delayed Alfa Romeo Giulia (and the brand’s return to the American market) may finally be on track. As the Italian automaker is getting ready to set the new sedan’s design in stone, information about what powertrains the Giulia will use has slipped out.
According to the latest report from Autocar, the Giulia will use a range of engines utilizing Fiat’s MulitAir technology. MultiAir gives the engine computer full control of the variable valve timing on intake valves. A 1.4-liter MultiAir I-4 – found in other Fiat applications – will allegedly be offered in a 120-hp form new Alfa will also use a range of Fiat diesel engines as well as a revised version of the 1.8-liter turbo-diesel I-4 found in the Giulia’s 159 predecessor. When it comes to six-cylinder power, as the Giulia will receive a MultiAir version of Chrysler’s 3.6-liter Pentastar V-6, which is presently employed in vehicles sold by the Dodge, Chrysler, Ram, and Jeep brands.
Expect the Giulia to offer all-wheel drive as an option to better appeal to American consumers in the snow belt. The sedan will be front-wheel drive normally, as it will ride on the same C US Wide platform that underpins the 2013 Dodge Dart (pictured below), albeit stretched further to better compete with the likes of the Audi A4 and BMW 3 Series. Autocar says that along with the longer wheelbase and overall length, the Giulia may also receive independent rear suspension too. Unlike the Dart, the Giulia sedan will also spawn a true wagon variant, although the jury is still out on whether or not it would make it to U.S. shores.
Most interestingly, there is a good chance that the Giulia would be built at Chrysler’s Belvidere, Illinois facility alongside the Dart. That would help Fiat hedge against rising production costs and fluctuating currency rates, especially given that the U.S. is expected to be one of the car’s largest markets.
What has yet to be decided, however, is the design of the Giulia. The car was delayed to 2014 because CEO Sergio Marchionne sent the designers back to the drawing board, and Autocar reports that Fiat Group bosses have “agonized” over the final look of the car.
Expect to see the 2014 Alfa Romeo Giulia finally make its debut late next year, with U.S. sales following a year later.

 

[Levi68]

If the car is FWD I have no interest in it, and it will never be able to be a real BMW/Mercedes/Audi rival. As for the engines, they are to be 1.4 I4 TBI, 1.7 I4 TBI, 1.9 I4 JTD and 2.4 I5 JTD. Top engine is to be a 3.0 V6 TBI, found in the Maserati Levante. Years before I heard about a turbocharged 3.0l V8, but the was for the 166 replacement, so I guess it died with the 169.

 

[Deckhook]

If the car is FWD I have no interest in it

So awfully narrow mind, can you not enjoy a car for the way it look or the detailing present. I look at this A4/3 series rival and think wow what a glorious looking machine and why do the German have to give us dull, boring design by comparison.

 

[hoffmeister_fan]

Deck, I don't think there's anything narrow-minded about wanting RWD in an Alfa. Granted, it's very unrealisitic to think they'd go RWD with Giulia, considering what FIAT has to work with, but definitely not narrow-minded. Personally, if I was paying for something that's considered above the mainstream (i.e. Fusion/Mondeo, Accord, Camry, Passat, etc.), I'd want something to differentiate the ride. I'm sure it'll be a more refined experience and on paper, it'd be in the competitive class as an A4, 3er, C-class, etc, but it'll be the same experience. It's like putting butter on a piece of toast, sure it tastes better, but it's still toast.

 

[Deckhook]

^All I meant was most of Levi's post of late make reference to his preference of RWD and isn't interested in anything that doesn't offer this up. We know already what he likes so can we not keep going there.

As for the images in Autocar, I sincerely hope they are realistic because they are incredible compared to what the Germans are currently serving up.