F1 Schumacher going to Mercedes GP?

[See Ya]

MS was 5 sec. off in his second try on the Ducati.

Was that before he started actually racing motorcycles? The last I heard, and this was before he got onto a team, was that he was 20 seconds off.

In any case, I have zero race training and zero track time on both cars and motorcycles, but I know I can get much closer to F1 lap times than I can to Moto GP lap times, percentage-wise. That, on the same track that is turns intensive.

 

[Imhotep Evil]

Was that before he started actually racing motorcycles? The last I heard, and this was before he got onto a team, was that he was 20 seconds off.

In any case, I have zero race training and zero track time on both cars and motorcycles, but I know I can get much closer to F1 lap times than I can to Moto GP lap times, percentage-wise. That, on the same track that is turns intensive.

Really ?!

 

[See Ya]

Really ?!

Yes, really. So could anybody under the same conditions.

 

[See Ya]

Really ?!

Yes, really. So could anybody under the same conditions.

Why, do you think you'd be slower in the car? Cars are far easier to drive fast, compared to a bike.

 

[Imhotep Evil]

Yes, really. So could anybody under the same conditions.

Why, do you think you'd be slower in the car? Cars are far easier to drive fast, compared to a bike.

I've never hear about a car witch brakes at over 5 Gs, witch most people can't drive for more then 5 minutes.

I do think Moto GPs are more dangerous.

 

[See Ya]

I've never hear about a car witch brakes at over 5 Gs, which most people can't drive for more then 5 minutes.

Neither have I. Do they?

I do think Moto GPs are more dangerous.

Given the choice, I'd sooner be on four wheels instead of two from a safety standpoint. Accidentally locking up the brakes on four wheels is a lot more forgiving; you're still upright.

But from an excitement standpoint, I'd sooner be on two wheels.

 

[Remy Zero]

Even on a normal 100 cc bike, i tend to get 'scared'. I've never been a bike person. Always a car person.

 

[See Ya]

Even on a normal 100 cc bike, i tend to get 'scared'. I've never been a bike person. Always a car person.

That only lasts an evening; you get used to it.

The performance available on two wheels these days is mind blowing. Take the new BMW S1000RR for example...185 hp at the rear wheel. Not bad at a first attempt at a sport bike from BMW.

I'm equally a car and motorcycle person. The one downside to cars, I can't detail them to the same extent like I do my bikes.

 

[klier]

^ 'Not bad' is an understatement The BMW S1000RR has 3.7 hp more on the wheel than a Hayabusa, making it the fastest production motor cylce on sale.

 

[Remy Zero]

That only lasts an evening; you get used to it.

The performance available on two wheels these days is mind blowing. Take the new BMW S1000RR for example...185 hp at the rear wheel. Not bad at a first attempt at a sport bike from BMW.

I'm equally a car and motorcycle person. The one downside to cars, I can't detail them to the same extent like I do my bikes.

Well, it's a pity i've been banned from riding bikes. It saves helluva time and costs.

 

[Imhotep Evil]

Neither have I. Do they?

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Given the choice, I'd sooner be on four wheels instead of two from a safety standpoint. Accidentally locking up the brakes on four wheels is a lot more forgiving; you're still upright.

But from an excitement standpoint, I'd sooner be on two wheels.

True, but not necessarily always the case.
On a rally stage with trees, ditches and crevasses it could be worse.

 

[See Ya]

Well, it's a pity I've been banned from riding bikes. It saves helluva time and costs.

Banned? By the significant other, or by the authorities.

 

[Germaniac]

I have zero race training and zero track time on both cars and motorcycles, but I know I can get much closer to F1 lap times than I can to Moto GP lap times, percentage-wise.

You may want to watch this if you think you, as someone with no racing experience, would be able to drive an F1 car even remotely as quick as a professional driver:

 

[See Ya]

You may want to watch this if you think you, as someone with no racing experience, would be able to drive an F1 car even remotely as quick as a professional driver.

I never implied or stated that I could. Go back and read the post!

Maybe you misunderstood, so I'll reword it differently.

I am comparing the difficulty of being able to ride a motorcycle to a car quickly on a given track that is challenging...in other words a tight track with plenty of curves.

Lets assume the car and motorcycle can do a lap in 1'30" (yes, I know, that is not usually the case, the motorcycle will lap slower).

If I was in the same car, I might lap in 2'. If I was on the same motorcycle, it might take me 2' 15".

So what I originally stated was that I can get closer to the car lap times percentage-wise, than I could on a motorcycle.

I drive both and I feel a lot safer and therefore will go quicker in the car. Most would and could.

 

[See Ya]

You may want to watch this...

And if you think that is challenging, you might want to try a 250 hp Moto GP bike that weighs just over 300 pounds.

This is what racing and control is all about. I tip my hat to that skill level.

You have to love the Italian commentator...

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And here is another one...in the rain...on two wheels...

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[Germaniac]

Lets assume the car and motorcycle can do a lap in 1'30" (yes, I know, that is not usually the case, the motorcycle will lap slower).

If I was in the same car, I might lap in 2'. If I was on the same motorcycle, it might take me 2' 15".

So what I originally stated was that I can get closer to the car lap times percentage-wise, than I could on a motorcycle.

I drive both and I feel a lot safer and therefore will go quicker in the car. Most would and could.

No, I understood what you're saying - I am just questioning your assumption that you would be quicker (and/or safer) in a Formula 1 car as opposed to a Moto GP bike. I understand what you're saying about how manic a racing bike is, but I feel like your confidence in being able to drive a Formula 1 car even remotely quickly because it is a car with four wheels is a bit like saying you can pilot a jet fighter because you've had experience flying a Cessna. Consider what Hammond - a person with considerable experience driving powerful road cars - had to contend with. He was (just) able to manage to limp around two laps, reaching inadequate speeds for the brakes and tires to warm up, hitting full throttle for only .2 seconds during the two laps and attempting to deal with severe cornering forces and the minute reaction times required.

Now the idea that you or I - with no professional racing experience - would be able to drive an F1 car around a track without stalling, spinning out, cracking a neck, destroying the clutch or engine, or crashing.... I'd hazard a guess I'd be faster in an M3 than in an F1 car - or at least less dead.

 

[See Ya]

No, I understood what you're saying - I am just questioning your assumption that you would be quicker (and/or safer) in a Formula 1 car as opposed to a Moto GP bike.

OK lets keep it simple and lets go stock; a BMW M3 and a Honda CBR1000 driven by your choice of established BMW racer and Freddie Spencer...long retired from Honda.

I know I can get closer to the M3 driver's times than I can to Freddie Spencer's times. Note closer to...not equal to.

I may not have any official training, but drifting in a corner does not phase me on four wheels, on two wheels I'd have to change my underwear.

 

[Sunny]

Interesting off topic conversation. I haven't ridden in a long while but used to for sometime when I was younger and more stupid. And I do agree taking 2 wheels to the edge takes way bigger fittings than doing the same within the safety of a car. But your example of M3 vs CBR1000 doesn't exactly translate linearly to a F1 car (or most other dedicated racing car) vs racing bike. The reason being there is way bigger performance leap from an M3 to an F1 car than from CBR1000 to a moto gp bike. While there is an incremental increase in power to weight ratio and cornering grip from a street bike like CBR1000 or R1 to a GP bike, there is a drastic leap in both power to weight ratio and grip levels from an M3 (or even a more exotic F430) to an F1 car. Not saying, riding a moto gp bike is easier than driving a f1 car - having not even sat in either I would have no freaking idea. But any of us assuming we can jump into an F1 car and be able to drive off is being foolish - there is famous video of some one trying to launch a F1 and crashing it within 50m.

 

[See Ya]

I do agree taking 2 wheels to the edge takes way bigger fittings than doing the same within the safety of a car.

And that is the point. Its not a matter of which car or which bike or even safety. Only one person (John Surtees) ever won world championships in both; he won it on bikes first and then cars. Its never been done the other way around.

And this goes back to my OP. I think Rossi would have a better chance at winning in F1 than MS would in Moto GP.

Signing off.

 

[Imhotep Evil]

And that is the point. Its not a matter of which car or which bike or even safety. Only one person (John Surtees) ever won world championships in both; he won it on bikes first and then cars. Its never been done the other way around.

And this goes back to my OP. I think Rossi would have a better chance at winning in F1 than MS would in Moto GP.

Signing off.

You forgot about the great Tazio Nuvolari and Bernd Rosemeyer (of the 20s and 30s), both great drivers GP drivers who started on motorcycles.

When Auto Union brought mid-rear engined cars to GP racing, all their drivers were former motorcycle drivers.

Mick Doohan did tests with both a 1930s Mercedes GP car and a modern F1 GP car and he did better with the 1930s car. In the modern car he had problems with the braking and thus the corner entry. And that was the issue with Valentino Rossi's driving also.
Besides, Rossi is kinda of old.

But ofcourse Mike Hailwood though a great motorcycle driver, wasn't that much of an open wheel driver.