Vs S65 vs. Bentley Flying Spur?

[Michael]

Hands down the S65 over that fake british car that is really a VW Phaeton.

My apologies for those that I have insulted but truly this car is wonderfully in the wrong poll. I don't think that this car should be even compared to the S65 but then again that is my opinion.


S65! S65! S65! S65! S65! S65! S65!

 

[GTA45E]

This is an awesome shot of the S65`s interior. This car is fantastic!

 

[Matt]

People keep saying that the S65 is a better performer than the Bentley. Not so. Unless someone can past track times of either car, you cant really make that statement based on acceleration times. Remember even if the S65 AMG is in fact a fast car it still is a mercedes and with that comes not the best handling. Nevertheless, the Spur isnt going to win awards for cornering. So I dont think the S65 is dominating the performance category of these two cars just because it has a rediculous engine.


Top Secret: for top secret you certainly have blatantly hurt feelings (again) as the creator

 

[LaArtist]

man do you really belive that the FS can out perform the S65 in anyway?

 

[Top Secret]

Top Secret: for top secret you certainly have blatantly hurt feelings (again) as the creator

Never meant to offend - just pointing something out.

 

[Yperion]

well someone asked if anyone seen it in real life.. i responded..dont get upset..

I 'm not upset lol. I just wanted to tell you that you don't have to say the same thing so many times.

I will post a Bentley interior photo here just for comparison with the S class one:

 

[GTA45E]

People keep saying that the S65 is a better performer than the Bentley. Not so. Unless someone can past track times of either car, you cant really make that statement based on acceleration times. Remember even if the S65 AMG is in fact a fast car it still is a mercedes and with that comes not the best handling. Nevertheless, the Spur isnt going to win awards for cornering. So I dont think the S65 is dominating the performance category of these two cars just because it has a rediculous engine.

You should keep in mind that people who buy these types of vehicles are not interested in track times! these cars are Hi status symbols that show how successful you are and how you want to show off. These are top-dollar Fur coats of the excutive cars.


Track time are for the M5 / E55 and RS6. These are the leather jackets so to speak.

 

[Mark]

What are we comparing here? These cars belong in different worlds!

The S-Class with a great engine is still an S-Class. They are a dime a dozen where I live.. The Bentley is unique and definetely not a 'people's car'.

drronh puts it well, and I may add, my wife picks Bentley. hehe, you know, everytime we stay in Naples there's always a Bentley or RR parked in front of that nice hotel on the beach at the end of Vanderbilt Rd.

 

[SDNR]

It`s romance and richness surpasses it`s scientific, technical makup. .

I understand what you are saying, but that is really just a perception - make no mistake about it, the Flying Spur is one of the most technically-advanced cars in the world.

On the one hand you say the FS is just a re-badged VW Phaeton - then you say it is technically inferior and "old school" - you can't have it both ways

Mercedes-Benz design philosophy is quit different from the British designers at Bently. Romance doesn`t play a top factor from this German designer.

Well that is just wrong - Mercedes are as obsessed with their prestigious image as Bentley is - it's just that they don't do it as well. Lets not make excuses here - the S class is intended to be every bit as exclusive as any car in the world.

German cars are more scientifically engineered than British cars. I think that shows quit a lot, even with the style.

But you keep pointing out that the FS is, in fact, a German car.

I don't really feel that they are even in the same category to be honest.

Not sure I agree warot - many potential S65 buyers will be loured away by the FS - that was the point of the FS in the first place.

man do you really belive that the FS can out perform the S65 in anyway?

Yes, lets not put the Bentley down just because we don't like the way it looks - it will still out-perform the S65.

You should keep in mind that people who buy these types of vehicles are not interested in track times!

Exactly - both of these vehicles will never be driven hard.

 

[Matt]

You should keep in mind that people who buy these types of vehicles are not interested in track times! these cars are Hi status symbols that show how successful you are and how you want to show off. These are top-dollar Fur coats of the excutive cars.


Roberto: great post!

Track time are for the M5 / E55 and RS6. These are the leather jackets so to speak.

I agree but it seems that people keep bringing up the performance of the S65 and how it dominates, which isn't really true.

NSL: these cars are comparable: look at price, engine, ect. If your looking to purchase an S65, you might as well also be looking at the FS.

Roberto: I agree with you completely. Great post!

 

[Deutsch]

I'm looking at the interior of the S65, and I most definitely think they could have done more. I like the steering wheel, but the pedals don't look anything special at all. I'd like to see more design differentiation in AMG kits and the core models, it's more a subtle change right now.

 

[warot]

I understand what you are saying, but that is really just a perception - make no mistake about it, the Flying Spur is one of the most technically-advanced cars in the world.

On the one hand you say the FS is just a re-badged VW Phaeton - then you say it is technically inferior and "old school" - you can't have it both ways

Well that is just wrong - Mercedes are as obsessed with their prestigious image as Bentley is - it's just that they don't do it as well. Lets not make excuses here - the S class is intended to be every bit as exclusive as any car in the world.

But you keep pointing out that the FS is, in fact, a German car.


Not sure I agree warot - many potential S65 buyers will be loured away by the FS - that was the point of the FS in the first place.


Yes, lets not put the Bentley down just because we don't like the way it looks - it will still out-perform the S65.


Exactly - both of these vehicles will never be driven hard.

I see what you are saying Roberto, but the thing is, for me (i'm sure it's not just me), a car with a brand such as Bentley (even if it is half German) now deserve to be in a league of their own.
I'm with NSL on this one. A S65, as "special" as the car is, is just a beefed up S class, which can be found in every country in the world (the s class that is). A Bentley will always be something special. VIPs drive the Bentley. I can almost guarantee you that a non-car nut might just go for the Bentley just because it is a Bentley (as long as they can live with the styling), they won't care how many cylinders the thing has got. That alone, is enough to put the FS in a higher league... imo.

 

[SDNR]

I see what you are saying Roberto, but the thing is, for me (i'm sure it's not just me), a car with a brand such as Bentley (even if it is half German) now deserve to be in a league of their own.
I'm with NSL on this one. A S65, as "special" as the car is, is just a beefed up S class, which can be found in every country in the world (the s class that is). A Bentley will always be something special. VIPs drive the Bentley. I can almost guarantee you that a non-car nut might just go for the Bentley just because it is a Bentley (as long as they can live with the styling), they won't care how many cylinders the thing has got. That alone, is enough to put the FS in a higher league... imo.

warot, I agree with you - the point I was making is that the Flying Spur was conceived to take sales away from the AMG S class - VW know they have the "prestige advantage" as far as Bentley's brand image is concerned - we might not like the looks of the FS very much, but a lot of people do...besides, the W221 is not the most beautiful car I've ever seen either.

 

[Matt]

I may be alone on this, but I really like the FS styling. I think its very elegant and very attractive-more so than the continental GT and the S class which is somewhat awkward IMO.

 

[SDNR]

I may be alone on this, but I really like the FS styling. I think its very elegant and very attractive-more so than the continental GT and the S class which is somewhat awkward IMO.

- It's not all that ugly.

 

[Deutsch]

- It's not all that ugly.

Whoa, post some photos from the same site! Great shots.

 

[GTA45E]

I understand what you are saying, but that is really just a perception - make no mistake about it, the Flying Spur is one of the most technically-advanced cars in the world.

The Flying Spur doesn`t have half the technical advancments or safty records (I mean HALF)
of what Mercedes has given the S-Class. It`s not a perception it`s a fact!

On the one hand you say the FS is just a re-badged VW Phaeton - then you say it is technically inferior and "old school" - you can't have it both ways

Lets not take thing out of context. I didn`t say the Bentley FS was re-badged VW Phaeton, nor did I say the Bentley Flying Spur was technically
inferior. I said VW provided the undercarriage and some techical advancements for Bentley. I also said I don`t like that fact that the undercarriage comes from the Phaeton and that it weakens the image and I still stand by that. The S-Class doesn`t share it`s carriage with another car
why should Bentley take that cost cutting approach. That shows as the FS
doesn`t handle as well as the Bently GT coupe noted Top-Gear!

Well that is just wrong - Mercedes are as obsessed with their prestigious image as Bentley is - it's just that they don't do it as well. Lets not make excuses here - the S class is intended to be every bit as exclusive as any car in the world.

But you keep pointing out that the FS is, in fact, a German car.

Thats pure rubbish! Mercedes-Benz invented the image for the luxury car
long before Bentley came on the scene! it`s not that thay don`t do it as well
but that thay do it differently with technical achievements and scientific
research, that even Bentley has yet to bring to the table. The S-Class is the most popular luxury car in the world because of it`s innvations and achievements, This is it`s prestige and power known the world over for 40 years. It`s the numbers that make up the prestige at Mercedes-Benz.

That image is quit different from the "old-world" romance offered by Bentley.

Not sure I agree warot - many potential S65 buyers will be loured away by the FS - that was the point of the FS in the first place.

No, I remember the orignal article, the Flying Spur was created to take sales
from the S500 and S600. Thay didn`t mention the S65 AMG.

Yes, lets not put the Bentley down just because we don't like the way it looks - it will still out-perform the S65.

Rubbish! The W220 S600 has a faster 0-60 time than the Bentley FS
(0-60mph 4.8sec./ vs. 0-60 4.3sec. for the S600.) The W220 S65 as you know is even faster than the S600. The W221 S65 has improved ABC suspension, it`s brakes have also been recalibrated and it`s steering rack is said to be faster. I wouldn`t pass judgement so quickly.

But, as I said before people who buy these car will not likley race them.

 

[Matt]

^ 0-60 times don't really have anything to do with performance (more likely gear ratios and torque).

 

[warot]

Saying that Benz is in the same league as a Bentley to me is like comparing an M3 to a McLaren F1. You can have more technology and safety, but these cars aren't in the same league! A Bentley is still a Bentley IMO. When people see the Bentley driving down a road, it's an event. The S65 is just another S class. See my point?

Roberto, thanks a lot for those pics... wow, I haven't really paid attention to the FS but that black one looks fantastic. I know which car I'm going to pick now.

 

[SDNR]

The Flying Spur does not`t have half the technical advancements or safty records (I mean HALF)
of what Mercedes has given the S-Class. It`s not a perception it`s a fact!

GTA7.5, I know you are afflicted with acute "Benzitis" but try to be sensible, the Mercedes is not twice as technically advanced as the Bentley - that's just being stupid.

I was saying that it is just a perception that Bentley is viewed as an out-of-date, technical dinosaur - Bentleys, including the Arnage, are technically among the most advanced cars in the world.

Lets not take thing out of context. I didn`t say the Bentley FS was re-badged VW Phaeton, nor did I say the Bentley Flying Spur was technically
inferior. I said VW provided the undercarriage and some technical advancements for Bentley.

OK, I was paraphrasing a bit - but look GTA7.5, I'm not a big fan of the Flying Spur either, all I'm saying is give credit where it is due.

The S-Class doesn`t share it`s carriage with another car
why should Bentley take that cost cutting approach. That shows as the FS
doesn`t handle as well as the Bently GT coupe noted Top-Gear!

Firstly, I wouldn't expect this large sedan to perform quite as well as a coupe. As far as sharing it's carriage with the Phaeton - so what, it doesn't look anything like a Phaeton - this car was designed to crush the big Benz - not take on Maybach and Rolls-Royce.

Thats pure rubbish! Mercedes-Benz invented the image for the luxury car
long before Bentley came on the scene!

Well that is just crap - which Mercedes are you referring to exactly - Bentley have always been a socially more prestigious brand than Mercedes - Bentley have always been associated with aristocracy - even more so than Rolls-Royce actually.

it`s not that thay don`t do it as well
but that thay do it differently with technical achievements and scientific
research, that even Bentley has yet to bring to the table. The S-Class is the most popular luxury car in the world because of it`s innovations and achievements, This is it`s prestige and power known the world over for 40 years. It`s the numbers that make up the prestige at Mercedes-Benz.

...and the biggest sales volumes for the S class come from the cheaper end of the engine variants - surely the fact that Bentley has had unprecedented sales success with the GT and the Flying Spur tells you that many people in the market for a top-of-the-line BMW or Mercedes have bought a Bentley for the first time - these new Bentleys, regardless of what we think of them, have attracted a lot of first time Bentley buyers who traditionally would have bought an S600 or even (yes that's right GTA7.5 - even...) an S65!

No, I remember the original article, the Flying Spur was created to take sales
from the S500 and S600. Thay didn`t mention the S65 AMG.

Surely it goes without saying......

Rubbish! The W220 S600 has a faster 0-60 time than the Bentley FS
(0-60mph 4.8sec./ vs. 0-60 4.3sec. for the S600.) The W220 S65 as you know is even faster than the S600. The W221 S65 has improved ABC suspension, it`s brakes have also been recalibrated and it`s steering rack is said to be faster. I wouldn`t pass judgement so quickly.

But, as I said before people who buy these car will not likley race them.

OK, you have me on those acceleration figures - but Bentley are likely to offer a Flying Spur T at some stage.