Hot! Rust found in cabins of brand new BMW 1 Series, 3 Series!

[Mr Robert]

I doubt very much that "they're just sweeping it under the carpet".

I don't know. I have personal experience of only one major issue and BMW AG treated that in a less than satisfying way. IU'm talking about the chain tensioner issue with the PSA-engines. BMW never came clear admiting they screwed up, selling a product with an inherit design flaw*. The only response the owners got was "this is natural". Yeah, it is natural for a faulty design to behave like that, but that is not the point, now is it.

Well, I have my doubts regarding BMW in this case. This is an issues that will not effect the use of the car for a long time (i.e. not a problem for the first owner, if said owner is not Giannis) and will therefore be a problem in the second och third, maybe fourth leg. "Not a problem for BMW". Furthermore, the cost for fixing this issues would be horrifying to any beanie - every seat in every 1 and 3-series cars will have to be exchanged (as that is porobably cheaper than taking them apart for a respray of the skeleton).

I'd say the odds are on BMW to dodge this and blame the customer.


*) Using a hydraulic chain tensioner together with a weak oil pump and very long lines for that pump to fill before the tensioner is fully operational and, voila, cold start knocks that get worse over time - viable solutions would be to have every engine converted to mechanical/spring chain tensioners... imagine the price of that.

 

[ACE]

LOL, BMW will be so disappointed.


Best regards,
south

You think this rust issue will only affect one order?

I am on the waiting list at my local dealer for an F80 M3. My order will be cancelled if this issue is unresolved by the time F80 production starts (assuming it affects the F80 M3 in the same way it affects the F30). I bet there are plenty of others who feel the same way.

 

[Sunny]

The only response the owners got was "this is natural".

It is amazing how many manufacturer's do this and actually get away with it - Porsche with intermediate shaft issue, RMS leak. Audi/VW with carbon build up. BMW with fuel pump issues. MB with M156 issues. The more I look into it, I wanna say shuck it and just keep what I have. Owning newer performance cars beyond the warranty period seems ridiculous.

 

[rollo]

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I have to agree with you Sunny. I actually feel better with a lease which keeps all service covered. That's what I did with my current F10 550i. Just around 10K miles and 10 quarts of oil later, I am glad that it's a lease. Great drive, but the oil consumption scares me even though it's considered "normal".

 

[Monster]

Could it be that the problem is merely oxidisation in areas of high humidity? Like in Melbourne and Sydney and the coastal region where Giannis lives... I'm no metallurgist but why aren't we as a community asking more probing questions?

Don't think so, my friend's car was delivered during the end of the winter season when the weather is cool and dry. No rain, not humid at all.

 

[mini_cooper4]

but for the sake of discussion continuity please post up that picture that gives evidence of the rust "eating the metal".

 

[Sayyaaf]

yep thats quite normal

 

[mini_cooper4]

yep thats quite normal

Yeah, exactly how I'd like my brand new car to be!

 

[Mr Robert]

Looks like someone spilled some fluid on it...

 

[mini_cooper4]

Looks like someone spilled some fluid on it...

Even if that's the case... just take a look to the left
Where there's no paint and the angle shows perfectly that even the metal surface is deformed(eaten)

 

[martinbo]

Thanks mini_cooper...

Yeah, that doesn't look good at all. I am also thoroughly intrigued by the nature of the corrosion. Straight up - I know nothing about corrosion patterns and how it propagates. But it looks to me like there is some sort of corrosive agent spillage/splash that has taken place.

 

[klier]

Conversely, who can argue that it's not as a result of a faulty manufacturing process that had nothing to do with premeditated cost cutting?

The debate is circular - too much conjecture without enough of the real facts at hand.

No facts at all. Just some random cases. No wonder I only read about this rust in this forum....

And yes, BMW should be worried. The worst thing that can happen is when your most eager advocate turns against you. Criticism of BMW from my mouth is quite influential IRL ... among my family, relatives, neighbors, friends, colleagues, business partners etc. On a low-volume market even 50 canceled deals are A LOT.

LOL....oh my Gawd
How old are you....
BMW is not a Mom and Pop store, you know? It a big international company.

LOL, BMW will be so disappointed.

Time to adjust the annual financial report then....

 

[klier]

You think this rust issue will only affect one order?

I am on the waiting list at my local dealer for an F80 M3. My order will be cancelled if this issue is unresolved by the time F80 production starts (assuming it affects the F80 M3 in the same way it affects the F30). I bet there are plenty of others who feel the same way.

Those three people who read this forum AND are about to buy a BMW? Please man, get real.

 

[ACE]

Those three people who read this forum AND are about to buy a BMW? Please man, get real.

I am sure that rust won't be an issue on Playstation BMWs, so no reason for you to worry.

 

[klier]

Hahaha, true. Very true. I'm just a little kid with no money and wild fantasies of wanting a BMW. Pay no attention to me

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Hahaha, true. Very true. I'm just a little kid with no money and wild fantasies of wanting a BMW.

To be fair Klier, your attitude and the way you post gives people that impression, so don't be surprised when people treat you that way. Why you continually fail to grasp this baffles me.

I genuinely thought for a long time that you were a teenager. Personally, that would bother me.

 

[DblPen]

No facts at all. Just some random cases. No wonder I only read about this rust in this forum....

but actually most info and pics from this thread came from other forums

 

[Giannis]

Klier man, I really struggle to understand why you fail to realise that there's an issue here. Or accept that there might be a possibility of one.

 

[Betty Swollocks]

Klier man, I really struggle to understand

He's a BMW fanboy. There's nothing really to understand Giannis.

And that's not meant to be an insult against Klier.

 

[klier]

Oh don't worry, none taken. You can't insult me Betty Just call me a BMW fanboy. That's easy and in line with the rest of the gang that hates me

Klier man, I really struggle to understand why you fail to realise that there's an issue here. Or accept that there might be a possibility of one.

I will see the issue when I read about it in the press. I will not see the issue when dear Eni is having some kind of implosion, and even less when people who are not fond of BMW (mildly put), join the ranks

Simply put, I just don't care what happens with this rust issue. I hope they fix it for the people who are affected, and I hope they fix the problem if these aren't isolated cases. It would be a pretty big slap in the face for BMW, but I am not going overboard like some others here are doing.