Hot! Rust found in cabins of brand new BMW 1 Series, 3 Series!

[Giannis]

I will see the issue when I read about it in the press. I will not see the issue when dear Eni is having some kind of implosion, and even less when people who are not fond of BMW (mildly put), join the ranks

Which part of the press? The printed media that are full of BMW advertisement? Or the TV-media that only focus on test-drives? I hardly remember Fifth gear saying anything about the stuck gas pedal issue with Toyota. It was the online press that covered this problem thoroughly. It's the same with this case. BMW related forums all over the internet are full with people that found rust under their seats.

Now, how many of them actually care is a different issue. I believe it was rurella that wrote a few pages back, that he wouldn't be concerned as he leases his Bimmers and the rust issue would be the next owner's issue.

Simply put, I just don't care what happens with this rust issue. I hope they fix it for the people who are affected, and I hope they fix the problem if these aren't isolated cases. It would be a pretty big slap in the face for BMW, but I am not going overboard like some others here are doing.

Ok, you say you don't care about this rust issue. It's fine with me. What's not fine, is putting on your BMW hat and attacking anyone with a different opinion.

Leaving everyone else aside, I consider this the biggest reason for me, not to buy a 316i F30, that I am hoping to do for quite a while now. If I buy such a car, I will keep it for many years, and by many years, I certainly mean over 10. Remember that my Clio has been with my family for 22 years and never showed any rust. It would be unacceptable if a bimmer that costs a hundred times more, had a rusted seat. Wouldn't it?

 

[rollo]

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Leasing does reduce my personal financial concern level on potential issues with a new automobile, no doubt. Especially considering that my 550i is covered by BMW for all service through the entire lease period of 36 months. Notwithstanding the aforementioned, I would still be upset if my leased car exhibited this rust problem.

And this story only strengthens my apprehension about purchasing a BMW in the future.

 

[klier]

Ok, you say you don't care about this rust issue. It's fine with me. What's not fine, is putting on your BMW hat and attacking anyone with a different opinion.

Oh please get real man, I am not attacking anyone. What is this nonsense? I am not wearing any BMW hat either. I gave a civilised answer to your question and you come back with this nonsense? Who is attacking who exactly here? I suggest you to stop reading into Betty's posts regarding me, as it looks like you actually start to believe his twisted thoughts. His obsession with me is not healthy, you should know this by now...

I understand this rust is horrible, and I also sort of understand the people who are weary of buying a new 3er now after reading the drama displayed in this thread.
All I say is that some people are severely overreacting from my point of view. If this rust was the case on an Audi or MB, I wouldn't change a single word I said. It has NOTHING to do with BMW, and everything with people who are blowing subjects out of context without any evidence of 'cost cutting' or whatever else. Attention whores? Who knows?

 

[rollo]

I understand this rust is horrible, and I also sort of understand the people who are weary of buying a new 3er now after reading the drama displayed in this thread.
All I say is that some people are severely overreacting from my point of view.

Rust in cars evokes an emotional reaction, especially from those of us who grew up in the 70's (Japanese auto's were notorious). The fact that rust is being found in brand new cars manufactured by one of the most revered automobile companies on the planet in 2012, is truly shocking to me.

I think that such a reaction is understandable.

 

[K-A]

Oh don't worry, none taken. You can't insult me Betty Just call me a BMW fanboy. That's easy and in line with the rest of the gang that hates me



I will see the issue when I read about it in the press. I will not see the issue when dear Eni is having some kind of implosion, and even less when people who are not fond of BMW (mildly put), join the ranks

Simply put, I just don't care what happens with this rust issue. I hope they fix it for the people who are affected, and I hope they fix the problem if these aren't isolated cases. It would be a pretty big slap in the face for BMW, but I am not going overboard like some others here are doing.

Never trust the media. It is the most corrupt, manipulated, agenda driven (PAYED FOR BY OPPOSING OR SPONSORING PARTIES), unregulated feed of garbage to society, these days. It is a money making machine, therefore, there's always an angle. People can pay to smear, and people can pay to *not get smeared*.

Trust real life pictures accompanied by people who own or have encountered said cars and reported, shown, detail-y described the exact same problem. This is real, real-time data, and it's not singled out. We have a small community here in the grand scheme of things, and it seems about everybody who's checked out F20's or F30's in all different parts and climates of the world, have seen the same thing. That's a significant statistic right there.

Also, people have to stop this crap about "BMW/Mercedes doesn't care about your sale, they'll find others". That's BS, and ANYONE who says that HAS NEVER RUN A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS, PERIOD! It's armchair racing. Anybody who understands the dynamics understands that every sale counts, and EVERY buyer counts, because in this day and age, that buyer has an opinion that can influence friends, family, Websites, random people, AND MESSAGE BOARDS THAT GET THOUSANDS OF HITS. You don't p*ss on customers, especially continuous customers, I don't care how big you are. Go to an Apple Store and see how well treated you will get by an employee, how strict their guidelines to be personal to you are, this is the making of success. Not "if you don't like it, we'll replace you".

 

[Gianclaudio]

Never trust the media. It is the most corrupt, manipulated, agenda driven (PAYED FOR BY OPPOSING OR SPONSORING PARTIES), unregulated feed of garbage to society, these days. It is a money making machine, therefore, there's always an angle. People can pay to smear, and people can pay to *not get smeared*.

 

[Monster]

Scientific facts, that is what we need in this thread, not people talking crap and fanboys attacking each other.

 

[Levi68]

Scientific facts, that is what we need in this thread, not people talking crap and fanboys attacking each other.

We will not be able to get any facts. BMW has them but will never reveal them. We don't have the "tools" to get the data. So there is no way out for us. I am sure the cars produced right now don't have rust. As for the other ones, there is no remedy.

 

[IanDriver]

I know that the BMW are not of the highest quality because I have E90 but this F30 is even worse.
I think I'm done with this brand.

 

[klier]

Never trust the media. It is the most corrupt, manipulated, agenda driven (PAYED FOR BY OPPOSING OR SPONSORING PARTIES), unregulated feed of garbage to society, these days. It is a money making machine, therefore, there's always an angle. People can pay to smear, and people can pay to *not get smeared*.

Agreed.

Trust real life pictures accompanied by people who own or have encountered said cars and reported, shown, detail-y described the exact same problem.

LOL, you kidding? I don't even trust 'official media', let alone some random dude on the internet with an agenda I don't know.

I know that the BMW are not of the highest quality because I have E90 but this F30 is even worse.
I think I'm done with this brand.

Yeah, you should just wait for the next gen Audi A4 or MB C class. Those will be much better and more reliable. The F30 3-series rusts away before you blink your eyes!

Scientific facts, that is what we need in this thread, not people talking crap and fanboys attacking each other.

Like I have been saying since the beginning, but all I get is an attack left, and an attack right.
This thread is based on a mental breakdown by Eni. Not exactly a healthy beginning.

 

[Monster]

Stick to the forum guideline people, if you breach the rules, your post will be removed, your membership suspended or banned. Is it that difficult? Do not treat the moderator team and the guidelines with contempt. We value your freedom to express your opinions, however if any members continue to abuse their rights then we will take that away from you.

 

[klier]

I think that such a reaction is understandable.

And I think it is not. Far from it actually.
You are even starting to compare a '70s Japanese junk car to a 2012 BMW.

And let me please highlight, I would have said the same if this rust problem was with a Benz or Audi.

 

[rollo]

And I think it is not. Far from it actually.
You are even starting to compare a '70s Japanese junk car to a 2012 BMW.

And let me please highlight, I would have said the same if this rust problem was with a Benz or Audi.

That was my quote klier.

I referenced Japanese cars in the 70's only to point out that rust should be a thing of the past in contemporary automobiles. That was forty years ago. And by the way, I cannot recall a single incident back then of new Datsun's, Toyota's and alike exhibiting rust when they were brand new. Also, highlighting that you would be saying the same thing even if this problem was in a Benz or Audi only highlights that you would be consistent, not correct.

 

[purplehenk]

Gotta love the ignore-function.

 

[martinbo]

Gotta love the ignore-function.

Oh, so that's why you don't respond to my posts Henk?

 

[JLBM]

Over the years, this forum has become too personal, less valuable as a source of information and devoid of (restrained) mature debate.

I have watched it decline in quality quite subtstantially since I joined way back in 2006. Such a pity. If the ratio of information and content (20%) vs. tit-for-tat ego bruising (80%) was reversed, then perhaps it would be different..

 

[mini_cooper4]

Never trust the media. It is the most corrupt, manipulated, agenda driven (PAYED FOR BY OPPOSING OR SPONSORING PARTIES), unregulated feed of garbage to society, these days. It is a money making machine, therefore, there's always an angle. People can pay to smear, and people can pay to *not get smeared*.

Trust real life pictures accompanied by people who own or have encountered said cars and reported, shown, detail-y described the exact same problem. This is real, real-time data, and it's not singled out. We have a small community here in the grand scheme of things, and it seems about everybody who's checked out F20's or F30's in all different parts and climates of the world, have seen the same thing. That's a significant statistic right there.

Also, people have to stop this crap about "BMW/Mercedes doesn't care about your sale, they'll find others". That's BS, and ANYONE who says that HAS NEVER RUN A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS, PERIOD! It's armchair racing. Anybody who understands the dynamics understands that every sale counts, and EVERY buyer counts, because in this day and age, that buyer has an opinion that can influence friends, family, Websites, random people, AND MESSAGE BOARDS THAT GET THOUSANDS OF HITS. You don't p*ss on customers, especially continuous customers, I don't care how big you are. Go to an Apple Store and see how well treated you will get by an employee, how strict their guidelines to be personal to you are, this is the making of success. Not "if you don't like it, we'll replace you".

Totally agree on all accounts!
I will only add that if we customers let this pass without consequences for BMW... then we can expect more rusty cars to come or even something worse
If someone wants to keep his mouth shut... then he's welcome but don't try to shut other's
Someone that buys brand new BMWs and doesn't care about this issue, anyone ? Anyone ?

 

[martinbo]

Over the years, this forum has become too personal, less valuable as a source of information and devoid of (restrained) mature debate.

I have watched it decline in quality quite subtstantially since I joined way back in 2006. Such a pity. If the ratio of information and content (20%) vs. tit-for-tat ego bruising (80%) was reversed, then perhaps it would be different..

It is unfortunately the way of the world now - bullsh!t inevitably undermines quality. Quite interestingly people on this forum these days are more offended by quality they disagree with than bullsh!t itself.

Where are we at with this rust debacle? What is the extent of the problem? Where is the official response from BMW? Nobody knows. Yes there's a picture of rust "eating" into a seat frame and other pictures of corrosion but is this a full-blown epidemic? I can't say... and until I get an official position on this (for example if it's a highly common, pervasively distributed problem) I, along with a few others, am entitled to debate the severity of this problem without being vilified.

Everyone has their posting style and if they suggest a measure of overreaction then why should they be persecuted for it?

I've long given up on submitting good quality posts because they can so quickly be undermined by utter drivel responses dressed up as considered and valuable opinion. We're so sensitive and defensive on this forum that we unwittingly deter creative, informed input and robust debate. We've lost the ability to distinguish a robustly argued point from personal insult.

 

[rollo]

Where is the official response from BMW?

Most likely, there is none to be found martinbo. And that is troubling. We have an "inside source" on this forum who has also remained silent on this issue to the best of my knowledge.

Why did the problem occur? How many cars were effected? Is the environment a catalyst? Pointing out that we do not have answers to these questions is a moot point. Your words suggest that we should be able to ascertain facts that are not knowable by internet research. The one source that could fill in these blanks is BMW.

By this point, informative correspondence from BMW to those who might be affected should/would have been received and the community would know.

My belief is that BMW is aware of this problem and that they have decided to do nothing pro-actively. It will only be dealt with if and when a customer complains. That's the cheapest way out, at least for the short-term.

 

[Mr Robert]

We will not hear anything untill the situation has been thoroughly assessed...