7 Series (G70) [Rumors] BMW (G70) 7-Series Facelift (Spy pics & info)

[SKY]

Nonsensical comment

I am sure people here value way more your insights.

 

[leylandi]

So what’s the point you’re trying to make? You very well know that current gen 7er is much more popular in Turkiye, and probably sells more than the competitors. Showing a 2025 report doesn’t really mean anything since it’s been on sale for years.

Even the EQS has sold more than the i7. This is despite the EQS being a four-year-old car. The i7 was released in 2022. Electric models make up the majority of 7 Series sales due to their price advantage. I don't think the ICE version will sell as much as the S-Class. The S-Class has a much wider market share in Türkiye. If you think otherwise, you need to prove it.

 

[Uygar]

Even the EQS has sold more than the i7. This is despite the EQS being a four-year-old car. The i7 was released in 2022. Electric models make up the majority of 7 Series sales due to their price advantage. I don't think the ICE version will sell as much as the S-Class. The S-Class has a much wider market share in Türkiye. If you think otherwise, you need to prove it.

Well I see no EQS’ around whatsoever, lol. They’re super rare in where I live. 7er is almost everywhere, most of them being i7’s then followed by 740’s. There’s literally 4 of them just in my neighborhood.

 

[klier]

So..


Conclusion, this is only the UK market, but as the second largest car market in Europe, I think it's probably representitive of the EU too. The split between Long and Standard wheel base can be generalised as 55:45.... so call it half of 7-ers here are SWB. The cheaper engine versions skew hard towards SWB, the bigger engines skew towards LWB - this is pretty intuitive IMHO. Not having the cheaper entry versions goes hand in hand with not having SWB vehicles. This was HALF the 7-er customer base here.

Also, G70 related side note, i7 seems to be selling 2:1 compared to the ICE/PHEV 7-ers. In the same way that the diesel models were most popular in previous models, the i7 is likely more popular because these are incentivised through reduced taxation.

So in the end it's about the price, just like I said.
Most would opt for the LWB if money was no issue. The cheaper versions were SWB, just like how the cheaper models were diesels.

Absolutely no data that points out that people WANT an SWB. Mick is generalizing his personal preference. If people can get bigger for the same price, they will go for bigger. This all is pretty intuitive too.

Well I see no EQS’ around whatsoever, lol. They’re super rare in where I live. 7er is almost everywhere, most of them being i7’s then followed by 740’s. There’s literally 4 of them just in my neighborhood.

Remember, don't feed the troll.

 

[Matski]

Absolutely no data that points out that people WANT an SWB. Mick is generalizing his personal preference. If people can get bigger for the same price, they will go for bigger. This all is pretty intuitive too.

Maybe, maybe not, personally I'd go (for example) from the 730d to the 730d M Sport, instead of going for the 730Ld, as the price difference is the same and I don't give a shit about extra legroom for rear sear passengers.

... but like I say, the best selling models by a long way are SWB. If you look at the best selling models there's ~£3500 price difference to go for the bigger car... in practice this is going to be about £600 in tax to the driver per year... that's not a massive price to pay if you WANT the LWB. Simply the LWB isn't desirable enough over the SWB to be worth a fraction of 1% of the drivers income to the significant majority of drivers. If people WANTED the LWB, they'd account for more than 1 in 5 of the most popular model, IMHO.

I'm not taking sides here, these are simply my observations.

 

[McLaren64TR]

I don’t think this small price difference has much of an impact on 7 Series customers. How many people would give up on buying a 7 Series just because there’s no short version? After all, we’re talking about a pretty expensive car. I seriously doubt anyone is saying, 'The long-wheelbase model is a bit more expensive, I can’t afford that.

 

[Merc1]

If they are saying that, they can’t truly afford either model.

M

 

[klier]

I don’t think this small price difference has much of an impact on 7 Series customers.

A small one not, no. But the high end versions cost literally double of a base car, and none of those are SWB

I am playing the devil's advocate here anyways, because the SWB F01 760i V12 is the most bad ass of them all. And all members agreeing on everything is just boring.

Watch the W224 grow significantly in all dimensions (and have a theatre screen in the back). Both will happen.

 

[Matski]

I don’t think this small price difference has much of an impact on 7 Series customers. How many people would give up on buying a 7 Series just because there’s no short version? After all, we’re talking about a pretty expensive car. I seriously doubt anyone is saying, 'The long-wheelbase model is a bit more expensive, I can’t afford that.

Entry level went from about £60k to >£100k here, that's certainly more significant than the price difference in SWB to LWB ever was.

 

[McLaren64TR]

Entry level went from about £60k to >£100k here, that's certainly more significant than the price difference in SWB to LWB ever was.

Unfortunately, this isn’t just about wheelbase differences. It’s happening due to factors like inflation, rising costs, and brands increasing prices to restore their shrinking profit margins, among other things. Inflation has become a problem worldwide. Cars have inevitably been affected by it too.

 

[leylandi]

Well I see no EQS’ around whatsoever, lol. They’re super rare in where I live. 7er is almost everywhere, most of them being i7’s then followed by 740’s. There’s literally 4 of them just in my neighborhood.

Is seeing a lot of 7 Series cars in your neighborhood proof that more are being sold nationwide?

 

[Merc1]

Even I'm tired of this sales argument....and that is saying something.

M

 

[Beemer B773ER]

Even I'm tired of this sales argument....and that is saying something.

M

Yep. Not much to argue really. It may be ugly, but it's certainly selling.

 

[Merc1]

Yep. Not much to argue really. It may be ugly, but it's certainly selling.

Yeah it is. I see it all day, every day. If they fix the front, it becomes a favorite because the rest of the car is fire.


M

 

[klier]

Is seeing a lot of 7 Series cars in your neighborhood proof that more are being sold nationwide?

Why don't you just STFU?