7 Series (G70) [Rumors] BMW (G70) 7-Series Facelift (Spy pics & info)

[Merc1]

Both 'beautiful' and 'good looking' are descriptors... I don't think your position on this is particularly well thought out.

Nope, you’re lost. I said when a car is beautiful or good looking, not that calling it specifically, nothing needs to be said. You can’t grasp this because you’re stuck on making silly excuses for ugly cars. All this bs you guys post isn’t seen in the other threads, where the car’s looks don’t require a dissertation to understand or accept why it looks so terrible. Imposing and presence is nonsense when the car ugly, but make another post about descriptors as if that changes the basic argument that the car is ugly and you’re trying spin or excuse it.

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[leylandi]

They always have a reason to glorify a poorly designed BMW: groundbreaking, not ordinary, industry-leading bla bla

 

[Beemer B773ER]

Imposing and presence is nonsense when the car ugly

So something can only have presence and be imposing if it's pretty?
Something's that's ugly or abstract can't be imposing or have presence?

So this 7er is ugly. Fine, agreed. But it can be imposing and have presence... Much like the original Hummer. Big, brash, bulky...certainly not pretty, but certainly grabs your attention. Same with the Cybertruck.

 

[Merc1]

So something can only have presence and be imposing if it's pretty?
Something's that's ugly or abstract can't be imposing or have presence?

So this 7er is ugly. Fine, agreed. But it can be imposing and have presence... Much like the original Hummer. Big, brash, bulky...certainly not pretty, but certainly grabs your attention. Same with the Cybertruck.

It’s a ridiculous argument. It’s ugly. It’s imposing and has the presence of a snow plow. Like what is the point? Presence should be a good thing, not an excuse for something in your face ugly.

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[Design FIRST]

IMHO, the G70 presents a significant number of solid design elements, save the towering, overdone grill. Sheetmetal sculpturing is clean and generally adept. The split front lamp units have never bothered me, the taillamps look great. What IMHO diminishes the appeal of the G70 most is it's sheer size. Too long, too tall and not wide enough to somehow visually diminish the length and height. 5200mm L, 1960mm W, 1480mm H could be ideal dimensions. I say, let RR alone attend to the behemoths.

 

[Jacke]

Both 'beautiful' and 'good looking' are descriptors... I don't think your position on this is particularly well thought out.



k, I didn't argue that... but I take it you agree that a car doesn't need to be anthropomorphised as a two eyed face to look good?



I didn't say the G70 looks imposing. It's an example of a word, or words, that convey your perception of the car, in the same way 'has presence', 'is sinister', 'is cheap looking' or 'is expensive looking' do.



If you mean 'why do I find it dull', it's because I find it plain and predictable, it doesn't particularly catch the eye*. Feel free to explain why you think it looks good, but consider that I may just respond with Merc1's logic, that if you have to explain it, it's bad.... and you're also not allowed to use any descriptors, because... excuses... or something.

*For what it's worth, this is why I'm not on the 'Neue Klasse all the things train'. In my opinion the more you reuse the same design language, the quicker it gets stale, the less interesting it becomes, and the harder it is to evolve. It's fine to look back on it, but it's a bit boring to live through.

When I drive in Zurich, a lot more people turn their heads to look at the BMW 7 Series compared to the S-Class.

I’ve driven both cars in the same areas, and the reaction is completely different. With the BMW people actually pay attention it stands out more, looks bigger, and has a sharper presence on the road. Whether im parked or just passing by i can tell the BMW grabs more attention.

In a city like Zurich where luxury cars are common that says a lot.

 

[Design FIRST]

I eagerly await that elusive, large sport/luxury 4 door GT, perhaps an ALPINA. BEV would be fine with me.

 

[klier]

I eagerly await that elusive, large sport/luxury 4 door GT, perhaps an ALPINA. BEV would be fine with me.

It's not even on the cards AFAIK

Sick and tired of 4 door coupes either way

 

[Gor134]

I'm convinced the 4-door coupe segment died due to the OEMs rather than lack of demand.

2nd gen A7 looked less stylish and didn't stand out next to the C8 A6

8er GC more generic body and higher price tag than the sharp and stylish 6er GC

3rd gen CLS looked less stylish than the 2nd and 1st gen and came with zero V8 offerings, also overshadowed by GT4dr.

 

[klier]

So something can only have presence and be imposing if it's pretty?
Something's that's ugly or abstract can't be imposing or have presence?

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

So something can only have presence and be imposing if it's pretty?

Nobody said this.

Something's that's ugly or abstract can't be imposing or have presence?

If you want something ugly or controversial-looking, but visible, sure.

So this 7er is ugly. Fine, agreed. But it can be imposing and have presence... Much like the original Hummer. Big, brash, bulky...certainly not pretty, but certainly grabs your attention. Same with the Cybertruck.

Sure. Though I'm not sure anyone should aim for the type of presence the Cybertruck provides.
But, you know the EQS has a lot of presence on the street. It's big, it's abstract and looks ... different ... To other cars on the road. But nobody really minces their words in calling it rightfully ugly. And honestly I think the same applies to the G70.

 

[klier]

But, you know the EQS has a lot of presence on the street. It's big, it's abstract and looks ... different ... To other cars on the road. But nobody really minces their words in calling it rightfully ugly. And honestly I think the same applies to the G70.

The 7er is a regular classical well proportioned sedan.

Try again harder next time.

 

[Design FIRST]

It's not even on the cards AFAIK

I have no clue myself.

However, the Taycan, Audi etron GT, the upcoming AMG.EA 4 door GT sedan, Polestar 5 and the Jaguar 4 door GT leave me suspecting that there may be life in the concept after all. And with large sport/luxury SACs/SUVs capturing an increasingly large segment of the once traditional 3-Box luxury sedan territory, maybe low slung 4 door GT sedans can find increasing favour. Whether decision makers at BMW are pondering the same..well...as I've said, I have no clue.

 

[Design FIRST]

2nd gen A7 looked less stylish and didn't stand out next to the C8 A6

Yes, IMHO, it paled in comparision with the first gen, "original" A7 Sportback. Numerous automotive design awards are evidence of just how visually compelling the first gen A7 was...and remains. The second gen car genuinely impresses in RS7 form alone.

8er GC more generic body and higher price tag than the sharp and stylish 6er GC

Simply a disappointment following the stunning Vision M8 GC concept.

3rd gen CLS looked less stylish than the 2nd and 1st gen and came with zero V8 offerings, also overshadowed by GT4dr.

Probably in a minority, I really appreciate the C257 CLS' design when it is configured "properly". Very clean...and hence, timeless. With the modern M-B signature retracable door handles, a CLE-like rear lightbar and a bit more sculptural flare around the wheelarches, the C257 would look right at home in 2025-and perhaps in the few following years to come. I was sad to see it go. As for the AMG X290...I've always had some difficulty warming to that car's exterior design.

 

[AbsoluteUnit]

The 7er is a regular classical well proportioned sedan.

Try again harder next time.

But they're both still ugly. G70 has better proportions, sure. But still ugly. It's also not classically proportioned. It's a lot taller than a classical sedan to make room for the battery packs under the floor, whilst also maintaining passenger space.
Has nothing to do with presence though, right?

 

[Design FIRST]

Particularly attractive representatives of the genre :

 

[Tuffode]

Lol I just lost so many braincells reading these past two pages. If you don't think cars have faces, you are kidding yourselves and probably have a terribly eye. Talk to any designer, they are aware of this.

If you don't want your car anthropomorphized don't make it look like an insect. The current lead designer of Ferrari is not a fan of faces on cars which is why he purposely has put these blades on the front of the new cars to make them look faceless and more like a mask.

https://imgur.com/a/xJWLR

 

[klier]

But they're both still ugly. G70 has better proportions, sure. But still ugly. It's also not classically proportioned. It's a lot taller than a classical sedan to make room for the battery packs under the floor, whilst also maintaining passenger space.
Has nothing to do with presence though, right?

Well fortunately you don't get to decide what I find ugly and what not, so let's leave it at that.

It's taller and bigger because it doesn't want to be dwarft by your average 30k EV from China, like the S class. Which looks like a C class in the streets.
You can blame it on the batteries, which is another POV. But I think the 7er is EXACTLY the right size and shape.

 

[Uygar]

The 7er is definitely not conventionally pretty compared to the S-Class. Mercedes has a totally different approach with their design, extremely smooth surfaces and elegant/subtle details. BMW is the exact opposite now, especially since the last few years or so. They switched to having more angular and somewhat boxier designs. Details are much sharper and static looking. That’s probably the reason why 7er looks more “imposing” and “in your face”. I also get why people hate the double headlight situation as well, cause at night with all the led’s on, it tends to look a bit weird, not gonna lie.
But I have to admit, since I see many 7er’s and S400’s in my area, 7er is the one everyone looks at. I don’t think the S-Class has the wow factor or the presence worthy of being an S. It just blends right in, which should not be a case with this segment of a car imo.
Even my girlfriend who has no idea about cars said “damn, this thing looks a like a tank, such a cool looking car” whenever we passed by the 7er.
It just looks, good.
Again, design is subjective. Doesn’t necessarily mean something is ugly if it’s ugly to some. What you find ugly might be something gorgeous to someone. We have to be okay with different opinions

 

[klier]

The front of the current 7er is really ugly. But the rest is awesome. NK front would literally fix all.