Vs RS3 vs 1M Coupe (likes and dislikes)

[footie]

OK the figure was off a bit but the point was a valid one in that the DSG negates some if not all of the weight disadvantage the RS3 is carrying over the TT-RS which lapped the ring in 8:09.


P.S.
It was a simply miscalulation because I didn't take the time to actually check the figures which was why I wrote the word 'approx', it's something anyone could do.

Even BMW themselves it appears.

 

[klier]

Footie, you were wrong as you always are.

Also, the TT RS is a two seat sportscar and not quite the size of 1er coupe at all, but smaller. And thus lighter and faster around the ring. Future Z4 M will destroy TT RS, just to get that straight.

 

[martinbo]

That's a "leaked BMW document"? Really? Looks like an Excel spreadsheet to me.

 

[footie]

Footie, you were wrong as you always are.

Also, the TT RS is a two seat sportscar

I'm wrong am I, well not quite remembering the difference in weight between two models which was why I used the 'approximate' wording isn't as bad as thinking the TT-RS is a two seater.

Here's a photo just in case you doubted this fact and a photo of the 1er to show that both cars share this common seating arrangement.

 

[south]

P.S.
It was a simply miscalulation because I didn't take the time to actually check the figures which was why I wrote the word 'approx', it's something anyone could do.

You did exactly the same in post #4 in this thread, so pardon that I don't believe in an oversight.

I'm wrong am I, well not quite remembering the difference in weight between two models which was why I used the 'approximate' wording isn't as bad as thinking the TT-RS is a two seater.

Here's a photo just in case you doubted this fact and a photo of the 1er to show that both cars share this common seating arrangement.

Are you doing this on purpose? The TT's back seats have an official (!) limitation to be used for persons smaller than 1,40m only, e.g. small kids. By the numbers: TT rear seats room height is 829 mm, 1er Coupe is 943 mm.


Best regards,
south

 

[footie]

You did exactly the same in post #4 in this thread, so pardon that I don't believe in an oversight.

You are referring to the 75Kgs that Audi don't include in their weight calculations, this is kind of different in the point I was making in post #133 which was that the difference in weight between the TT-RS and RS3 was negated by the RS3 having DSG. I already told you that using the word 'approx' should explain this.

Are you doing this on purpose? The TT's back seats have an official (!) limitation to be used for persons smaller than 1,40m only, e.g. small kids. By the numbers: TT rear seats room height is 829 mm, 1er Coupe is 943 mm.


Best regards,
south

Again missing the point in this.

Klier stated that the TT-RS was a 2 seater, clearly the picture I posted and you have seen shows 2 rear seats, just like the 1M. The fact that there haven't as much space around them isn't the point I was making and you know full well.

 

[south]

You are referring to the 75Kgs that Audi don't include in their weight calculations, this is kind of different in the point I was making in post #133 which was that the difference in weight between the TT-RS and RS3 was negated by the RS3 having DSG. I already told you that using the word 'approx' should explain this.

Why can't you just admit that you mistook the RS3's 1575 kg for the EU weight. Your numbers would have been spot it if it was, but it's not. Looks to me that you wanted to make it look like the RS3 is weighing 1575kg according to EU, yet it would be only 5kg heavier than the 1M and only 50kg heavier than the TT-RS (manual). Sometimes it's easier to say 'Yup, sorry about that' than trying to talk your way out of it.

Again missing the point in this.

Klier stated that the TT-RS was a 2 seater, clearly the picture I posted and you have seen shows 2 rear seats, just like the 1M. The fact that there haven't as much space around them isn't the point I was making and you know full well.

Likewise, saying that the TT is a two-seater is just as wrong as saying that the TT and 1M "share this common seating arrangement". One is a true, yet not so comfy, 4-seater, the other isn't but allows room for small kids or a chid seat (sometimes referred to as a 2+2 seater).


Best regards,
south

 

[footie]

Did I say 50kg heavier or did I say 50~60kg which suggests I didn't recall the weight difference exactly. To most people that would be fine with this, realising it as a simple mistake but you are turning this into something more than it is, bringing the 1M into it when my comments referred solely to the TT-RS and RS3.

What are your reasoning behind it?

Likewise, you appear to be agreeing with Klier over myself yet you know full well that the TT isn't a two seater. Arguing that it's less comfortable isn't an argument, the argument should be whether it has only 2 seats or 4 and the evidence suggests the latter.

Why are you arguing this point?

 

[donkeykong]

You're wondering how fast the new BMW 1 Series M can get around Germany's Nürburgring, right? BMW isn't talking, but some who've witnessed a timed run have an answer. And it's good news for Audi. Read on.
According to several witnesses to a BMW Nürburgring test run, including 1Addicts' Steved, the new 1 Series M coupe turned the hellish green one in 8:12. Among BMW models, such a time places the newest M smack between the E63 M6 at 8:09 and the E60 M5 at 8:13, and dead equal with the Z4 M Coupe. In context of other automakers, it's between the Audi TT-RS at 8:09 and Aston Martin V8 Vantage at 8:13. Looks like the tiniest M is also one second slower than the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX.
Pretty jaunty, sis. Were you were expecting a lap time rivaling, say, the E92 M3 (8:05) or BMW M3 GTS (7:48)? Not quite.
As per the details BMW revealed last week, the 1 Series M moves by way of the company's N54-spec twin-turbo, direct-injected 3.0-liter inline six tuned to 335 hp and 332 lb/ft at 1,500 rpm — with up to 369-lb-ft available once in a while via overboost. That M button on the dash? It only adjusts throttle response, not available power. BMW says it can get from 0-60 in 4.7 seconds.

 

[Zafiro]

That's a "leaked BMW document"? Really? Looks like an Excel spreadsheet to me.

You're right, that certainly doens't come from BMW

Again, RS3 wont be faster than TT-RS around a highspeed track like N-ring. It would be foolish to think so.

 

[Sunny]

Likewise, you appear to be agreeing with Klier over myself yet you know full well that the TT isn't a two seater. Arguing that it's less comfortable isn't an argument, the argument should be whether it has only 2 seats or 4 and the evidence suggests the latter.

Why are you arguing this point?

So you get to decide what he point argues about or not? Having 2 seats that is useless for normal sized adults is a valid point. Fact is one can comfortably seat 4 adults, the other can't. Just cause you don't like to hear that, doesn't make it invalid.

 

[south]

Did I say 50kg heavier or did I say 50~60kg which suggests I didn't recall the weight difference exactly. To most people that would be fine with this, realising it as a simple mistake but you are turning this into something more than it is, bringing the 1M into it when my comments referred solely to the TT-RS and RS3.

What are your reasoning behind it?

Because I still haven't given up hope that you'd understand and apply this understanding when comparing the weight of cars. I surely wouldn't do this if it was a single slip, but you do that quite often. Remember some months back when you questioned a car's performance because you reckoned it to be lighter than the specs said. You got the weight standards wrong back then, and I'm sad to see you're still not having it right now. It's quite unfortunate because it's a prerequisite of comparing cars and (if that's even possible) predicting their performance relatively to each other. I still haven't given up hope that you understand how important this is for an even remotely accurate guess.

Likewise, you appear to be agreeing with Klier over myself yet you know full well that the TT isn't a two seater. Arguing that it's less comfortable isn't an argument, the argument should be whether it has only 2 seats or 4 and the evidence suggests the latter.

Sure, that's why I said something to the effect of 'you're just as wrong as him.' Since you didn't read my last comment carefully enough, I'll rephrase it again:

While you can argue that an adult might not sit comfortably in the back of an 1M ('true, yet not so comfy 4-seater' in my previous post), they still can. The TT on the other hand will by no means have the ability to let an adult sit in the back ('the other isn't [a 4-seater] but [only] allows room for small kids or a child seat'). Even Audi states that only persons up to 1,50m (or so) are allowed.

Sorry everybody for getting somewhat off topic here. I've made my points and corrected your factually wrong statements. That's it from me, for now.


Best regards,
south

 

[footie]

So you get to decide what he point argues about or not? Having 2 seats that is useless for normal sized adults is a valid point. Fact is one can comfortably seat 4 adults, the other can't. Just cause you don't like to hear that, doesn't make it invalid.

Sunny, missing the point ..... hello.

Klier made the claim that the TT was a 2 seater, it either is or it isn't, it's not exactly a difficult question.

P.S.
To save adding another post I will answer South here.

Yes I know Audi exclude the 75kg but my mistake in post#4 was that I forgot that BMW included it in their calculations. I will repeat myself here, I didn't check the difference between what the two Audis were which was why I used the word 'approx' followed by a range '50~60kg', this had no bearing on this 75kg you are refering to. That is my point.

Secondly, Klier said I got it wrong as usual and then made the statement the the TT was a 2 seater which is factually wrong, it has 4 seater just like the 1M. The fact that they don't accommodate adults has no bearing on this. Your correcting me on this wasn't necessary because I do know this, I spend enough time in and around them and also owned a Mk1 many years ago.

His statement is as bad as saying the current M3 is a 4 cylinder.

 

[Sunny]

^It is a 2 seater as far as adults are concerned. Is that really so difficult?

 

[footie]

^It is a 2 seater as far as adults are concerned. Is that really so difficult?

Arguing what the seats are useful for as some form of defense for he's factual mistake it only make one of us look kind of stupid.

 

[DaSilva]

I am sorry but the Audi TT that Audi AG makes has 4 seats...
Audi TT (excluding the Roadster) is a 4 seater, .... more correct a 2+2 (which means) = 4 ....

 

[Sunny]

Arguing what the seats are useful for as some form of defense for he's factual mistake it only make one of us look kind of stupid.

The only one looking stupid is anyone who thinks that an adult can sit back there.

 

[footie]

The only one looking stupid is anyone who thinks that an adult can sit back there.

And tell me who claimed such a thing?????????????????????

P.S.
Still looking stupid.

 

[Zafiro]

There been three adults in the backseat of my car going to work everyday. Try doing that in a TT.
2 adults can sit in the backseat of a 1er with no problems. TT might be a 2+2 seated roadster but its far from comfortable in the backseat as in the BMW.

But I cant believe we have this discussion, its two performance cars for gods sake and what did I tell you guys a few days back. Read the headline, its about RS3 vs 1M I hate to start cleaning this thread.....

 

[footie]

Please clean as things have gotten out of hand.