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Everything about this car is now fully copyrighted by its owner to be only one of one. For anybody else to come to Rolls-Royce and say I will have one of those please? Will not be accepted because it is solely developed as a one off for a special customer in Asia.
The customer will decide on whether Rolls-Royce have permission to develop another facsimile of the same model despite being showered with money to do so for another customer.

Nobody wants that Phantom, just the dude who bought it.
If people want their own 13 million Phantom, they will also create their own design. He can keep his trademarks and copyrights, they mean nothing. Particularly when the next Phantom soon arrives.

BTW, I don't want to come over as negative; I love this idea, the details and even the design of this crazy machine.
 
And because this car is an one-off the word depreciation would never be used. After several years this car will cost much more.

Not necessarily. The Rolls Royce Hyperion hasn't exactly shot up in value.

I'm not sure they are sound investments over the short or even medium term. Logically, if Rolls will build you something to your own spec for 12,000,000, why would you pay more for something that was built to someone else's spec? The only point at which it may start going up in value, is when something like it could no longer be genuinely (re)produced, but even then, it's only worth what someone will pay, and given it's high starting point that rules out a lot of car collectors.

I think though, it demonstrates that the initial cost of these things is not so relevant, Roland Hall spent at least £6,000,000 on the Hyperion.. a couple of years later he's done with it.

As Klier points to as well, this is more of a pastiche/homage to Rolls-Royces of the past, it is in effect almost an immitation... the Sweptail is an original, it itself has now become a part of Rolls-Royce's history... that should make it a better investment.. but perhaps not a great one.

What kind of R&D though? not like they had to invest anything in a new engine, gearbox, electronics, tires, suspension, aerodynamics or anything....Not even like new door handles or mirrors

As far as R&D goes, it's perhaps more the D part that runs up the cost than the R part - they don't make things up as they go along, and I'd be fairly sure that for every part that's different on the car there are multiple unused prototypes, mock-ups, design studies that end up gathering dust somewhere. And for the parts that do end up on the car each of those parts then needs testing and certifying. I'd also be very surprised if the performance of many existing items didn't also have to at least be checked and measured in a new application, if not fully tested... certainly the suspension and electronics, probably the aero too. You don't want to sell a £12,000,000 car to a billionaire and find out after delivering it that it gets dangerously unstable at high speeds.

...Plus, 130% tax relief on R & D expenditure, so y'know... f*** it, just put everything down to R & D!
 
Logically, if Rolls will build you something to your own spec for 12,000,000, why would you pay more for something that was built to someone else's spec?

Exactly. Someone with an ego would simply customise their own one istead if paying premium for another man's dream. Expect to see the Sweeptail on James List for less than half the price in a few years time.

The only exception to this is mega yacht which could take 3-4 years to commission and some rather buy an existing one then enter into complex complex contracts to have one constructed.
 
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You mean the Sweptail?, heck neither would I.
While I admire the craftsmanship, the design is ugly.
It looks like the guy could use it as a space coffin when he is done with it in this life. No one would give a flying fck about it there after.
 
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It is said to be worlds most expensive car.
Beautiful craftmanship I might add.

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I can't understand how it could possibly be worth so much. Apart from anything else, it's damn hideous.
 
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Not necessarily. The Rolls Royce Hyperion hasn't exactly shot up in value.

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Sometimes it takes many years before these things acquire a perceived heritage and authenticity to justify their stratospheric prices.

Finding buyers for the legendary Bugatti Type-41 proved to be virtually impossible when they were new .....now they are among the most admired cars ever built.

I love the idea of genuinely bespoke Rolls-Royces, Ferraris, Maybachs, Bentleys, etc. it's just a pity the few examples we see are awful.
 
I can't understand how it could possibly be worth so much. Apart from anything else, it's damn hideous.

It's worth it if someone was prepared to pay it, and hideous (or not), it's what that customer wanted. Anybody else's opinion on it is irrelevant, frankly. Nobody is asking you to like it, or buy it.

I'm sure if any of us here had commissioned a similar project there'd still be chunks of the internet saying it looked awful.
 
It's worth it if someone was prepared to pay it, and hideous (or not), it's what that customer wanted. Anybody else's opinion on it is irrelevant, frankly. Nobody is asking you to like it, or buy it.

I'm sure if any of us here had commissioned a similar project there'd still be chunks of the internet saying it looked awful.
Yes I understand all of that .....but my point is How did the cost of building this end up being so much?
I have no doubt it is built to an exemplary standard and I fully appreciate the value of rare objects, but it still seems extremely over-priced. It could be argued that these things are all relative, but I think we live in a time where some people's perspective of value has been completely distorted. The world is awash with massive amounts of cash which has made some people fabulously wealthy ......this has seen the cost of certain things skyrocket to absurd levels.
 
Why so expensive ? 4 years of development, that's a lot of wages and resources to pay for a starter.
 
Yes I understand all of that .....but my point is How did the cost of building this end up being so much?
I have no doubt it is built to an exemplary standard and I fully appreciate the value of rare objects, but it still seems extremely over-priced. It could be argued that these things are all relative, but I think we live in a time where some people's perspective of value has been completely distorted. The world is awash with massive amounts of cash which has made some people fabulously wealthy ......this has seen the cost of certain things skyrocket to absurd levels.

I doubt we'll ever know the specifics of it, or how Rolls-Royce costed it out, or how how profitable it was for them.

Reading the comments from Torsten Muller-Otvos though I think gives big clues. Rolls-Royce can do this kind of work, but their commercial structure is not based around this kind of work, therefore I suspect it was costed out as though it was for a new series production car - with all those associated costs of that only being spread across a single unit sale.

If you have a team of people working on something for 4 years, and in those 4 years, that team of people would normally develop one series production car, then the cost applied to the Sweptail must be somewhat comparable, or at least derived from this starting point.

If you have a team of people working on something for 4 years, and in those 4 years, that team of people would normally produce components for several thousand cars, equating to hundred of millions in revenue, the cost of their time might be derived from that as a starting point.

I'm not saying either of those scenarios is a great way of going about things, but they provide a safe commercial starting point for the company. From Muller-Otvos's comments, I think that was important to them, and the client could afford it.

To think of it another way, how much would you expect the RR Dawn to have cost to develop? To me, 12 million doesn't sound like much, yet the difference between that, and a Wraith is probably comparable to the Sweptail and a Phantom Coupe.

Torsten hints at Rolls-Royce making future platforms more accessible for unique coachbuilding to be performed on them; ‘In theory [we can] because our decision is to go aluminium spaceframe architecture only, and that is the kind of technology that allows, in principle, doing stuff like that.’ He was however, keen to stress that this would need further investigation before allowing any future customers to get too excited about ordering their own unique car.

The Rolls-Royce boss also mentioned how several potential customers have come to the brand to ask for a one-off car before, but this is the only one that has gone ahead thus far. Why now? ‘Because it needs the teaming of the right individuals to do it. For us it was also an adventure because it was completely new territory.’

‘You want to have a partner on board who is sustainable enough, understandable enough that this might need detours, but it was perfect. He [the anonymous client] trusted us, we trusted him and it was the right moment to do it. It’s also the future of luxury long-term; that you go even more custom-built.’

I also think it's easy to underestimate how much bureaucracy, red tape, and back and forth exists in the automotive industry. Providing some of the exquisite detailing of a car like this can be enough of an engineering and design challenge, without worrying about the masses of paperwork that goes with it.... the cost of which, again, is only divided by 1 unit.

Just my two cents.
 
Photo Gallery: Rolls-Royce at the Goodwood Festival of Speed

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The Goodwood Festival of Speed took place this weekend and the crème de la crème of the automotive industry was present, including a quite generous delegation from Rolls-Royce. The British company took the chance to launch its new Black Badge Dawn model, the latest to wear the high-performance moniker in the range. However, that was just a small part of what visitors got to see.

Unveiled in the spectacular setting of the Rolls-Royce display area on the Laundry Green, the Dawn Black Badge, flanked by its siblings Wraith Black Badge and Ghost Black Badge, drew huge crowds throughout the weekend. The car shown was presented in a deeply intense shade of black, created by the most exhaustive painting and polishing process ever used for a solid paint color. The roof, which opens in a ‘Silent Ballet’ to allow in the sounds of the night, is in black canvas, whilst the rear deck is finished in black leather.

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Rolls-Royce’s history as the world’s pre-eminent coachbuilder is at the very core of its identity as the world’s most celebrated luxury brand. The coachbuilt Rolls-Royce ‘Sweptail’graced the Festival of Speed in the ‘First Glance’ category, drawing huge crowds whether at rest in the paddock or wafting up the Hillclimb. Inspired by the beautiful coachbuilt Rolls-Royces of the 1920s and 1930s, the patron’s desire was for a coachbuilt two seater coupé featuring a large panoramic glass roof.

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Apart from these two models, the Black Badge Ghost and Wraith models were also on display while artist Bradley Theodore created unique artwork throughout the event at the Rolls‑Royce Black Badge display area on the Laundry Green. Renowned for his instantly recognizable ‘Dia de los Muertos’ style, Theodore is dedicated to making his art accessible for all to see around the world, producing murals on the streets of Hong Kong, London, Los Angeles, Oslo and Paris. During the Festival of Speed he created artwork inspired by iconic Rolls-Royce images, including the Spirit of Ecstasy, Double R badge and radiator grille, and also the magnificent Rolls‑Royce ‘Sweptail’.

Photo Gallery: Rolls-Royce at the Goodwood Festival of Speed
 
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OMG, what the hell is this hideous thing?

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^ Even more hilarious that it's based off a Phantom Series I, which sat in the owner's collection for years prior to the "4 years" of coachwork.

Anyone know of someone who leases a RR? I constantly get emails from RR financial services with their so-called “specials”, with terms that just insult my intelligence.

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A maximum of 7500 miles over 3 years? That equates to 7 miles per day. I commute at least 7500mi a month.

I figured people in the market for a RR would buy them outright, but apparently the number of RR financial services clients has double over the past two years. Coinciding with declining residual values of the entire lineup.
 
^ Even more hilarious that it's based off a Phantom Series I, which sat in the owner's collection for years prior to the "4 years" of coachwork.

Anyone know of someone who leases a RR? I constantly get emails from RR financial services with their so-called “specials”, with terms that just insult my intelligence.

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2017 Ghost
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A maximum of 7500 miles over 3 years? That equates to 7 miles per day. I commute at least 7500mi a month.

I figured people in the market for a RR would buy them outright, but apparently the number of RR financial services clients has double over the past two years. Coinciding with declining residual values of the entire lineup.

Depending on the investment opportunities you have available, leasing can be wiser than buying outright.

Let's say a wraith cost $350,000. Instead of using that sum of money to buy the car outright, put it into a high interest 5%/year savings account.

Interest earned year 1: $17,500
Interest earned year 2: $18,375
Interest earned year 3: $19,203
Total interest earned: $55,078

In three years you can earn $55,078 that can deducted from the $130,000 cost of leasing.

7 miles a day isn't much but when you are a baller in a RR Phantom, you likely have other cars that you can clock miles on.
 

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Rolls-Royce Motor Cars Limited is a British luxury automobile maker and a wholly-owned subsidiary of BMW AG since 2003 - as the exclusive manufacturer of Rolls-Royce-branded motor cars. The company is headquartered in Goodwood, West Sussex, England, United Kingdom. BMW AG has no direct relationship with Rolls-Royce-branded vehicles produced before 2003, other than having briefly supplied components and engines. From 1906 to 2003, cars were manufactured and marketed under the Rolls-Royce brand by Rolls-Royce Motors. The Bentley Motors Limited subsidiary of Volkswagen AG is its direct successor.
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