Ghost Rolls-Royce Ghost

[klier]

^ Flying Spur is Phaeton's brother, Ghost is 7er cousin

 

[Centurion]

^ Flying Spur is Phaeton's brother, Ghost is 7er cousin

No matter how you put it, the Ghost is fully based on the F01 the same way the FS is based on the Phaeton. The only difference is that VAG decided to use the exact same interior layout for both cars which turned out to work out very well for the Bentley as the the interior looked remarkable dressed up in expensive leather. But on a whole neither of them offer the true experience of full exclusivity like their older brothers which are the true models for for this segment.

Ghost and FS represent best of both world in terms of performance, price, size and quality -- they are not as common as an S-Class or 7-Series but at the same time not as unreasonably expensive as a Phantom, Mulsanne or Maybach. If you do the math a Mulsanne or Phantom isn't life changingly better than a Flying Spur or Ghost. The interior fit and finish of the FS is excellent and well above it's cheaper German rivals, it really cannot dissapoint anyone. But some people are wealthy, want the best and can afford to pay for it without consulting with their bank account statement.

 

[Deutsch]

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Of course same solutions will be found in RR as in BMW. Do you think they will go & develop a complete new solution for a brand that sales 1000 - 1500 cars a year.

Same case with Bentley: where lots of VW (Phaeton) & Audi solutions are used ...

Also in this box: Lamborghini ... and soon (I'm afraid) Porsche ...

I can say the steering wheel is total BMW AG corporate parts bin raiding, which is no bad thing since the parent company is a premium only manufacture.

 

[Deutsch]

No matter how you put it, the Ghost is fully based on the F01 the same way the FS is based on the Phaeton. The only difference is that VAG decided to use the exact same interior layout for both cars which turned out to work out very well for the Bentley as the the interior looked remarkable dressed up in expensive leather.

And that's where I disagree with you. The Phaeteon/Flying Spur clearly find their origins from front-drive underpinnings. The non existent dash/axle ratio validates this. Oppose to doing right by Bentley and the brands illustrious history VWAG created and made a car from their gargantuan pool of parts. While this is obviously cost effective the goal shouldn't have been to badge engineer an uber expensive luxury car and slap not just a premium, but ultra premium badge on it. The goal should have been what they did with the Mulsanne and create an authentic Bentley motorcar. Not only that but why don't you think Bentley offers some sort of RWD variant? Yeah, it's not a RWD platform as one might be accustomed to at this end of the automotive spectrum and also given Bentley's history. In my eyes this has diluted the Bentley brand equity as it is represented by the Continental series. For most people this won't matter because they won't see much of anything beyond the winged "B", but for the die hard car enthusiast such as myself this is something that's hard to dismiss.

BMW, on the other hand took their top of the line platform and engineered it to the standard of an ultra premium car such as Rolls Royce. Most importantly they created and produced a new and authentic RR.

 

[HighestOfHigh]

The Ghost is simply the nicest limo imo, much better than the Phantom, than the new Bentley, and of course than the Maybach.

Really?

I understand that the Ghost is a nice looking car ( a little on the chubby side, but still a joy to look at). And yes, I do like the layout of the Ghost interior better then the Phantom.

On the other hand, the Phantom for what it is...really is the best Rolls-Royce and far more superior then the Ghost. I would gladly take the Ghost over the Bentley Flying Spur, 7 series and A8 (Not the S65 AMG though ), but never over the Maybach 57S, Rolls-Royce Phantom or Bentley Mulsanne.

 

[Merc1]

And that's where I disagree with you. The Phaeteon/Flying Spur clearly find their origins from front-drive underpinnings. The non existent dash/axle ratio validates this. Oppose to doing right by Bentley and the brands illustrious history VWAG created and made a car from their gargantuan pool of parts. While this is obviously cost effective the goal shouldn't have been to badge engineer an uber expensive luxury car and slap not just a premium, but ultra premium badge on it. The goal should have been what they did with the Mulsanne and create an authentic Bentley motorcar. Not only that but why don't you think Bentley offers some sort of RWD variant? Yeah, it's not a RWD platform as one might be accustomed to at this end of the automotive spectrum and also given Bentley's history. In my eyes this has diluted the Bentley brand equity as it is represented by the Continental series. For most people this won't matter because they won't see much of anything beyond the winged "B", but for the die hard car enthusiast such as myself this is something that's hard to dismiss.

BMW, on the other hand took their top of the line platform and engineered it to the standard of an ultra premium car such as Rolls Royce. Most importantly they created and produced a new and authentic RR.

I get what you're saying here, but the Ghost is no different beyond it being RWD. If you're going to look at it like that only the Phantom is a true Rolls-Royce. I too dislike the Continental series of cars, but not because of their platform, its the look I can't stand. If the look were right I could forgive the platform.

M

 

[Deutsch]

I get what you're saying here, but the Ghost is no different beyond it being RWD. If you're going to look at it like that only the Phantom is a true Rolls-Royce. I too dislike the Continental series of cars, but not because of their platform, its the look I can't stand. If the look were right I could forgive the platform.

M

I find it hard to articulate, but I'm not trying to make the point that the Continental series is inferior to the Ghost because of platform sharing. Utilizing existing platforms and components is quite cost effective and extremely resourceful, obviously. What it really comes down to is the execution of the final product, and it is here I feel VWAG failed. Especially when you look at the effort made with the Muslanne compared to the Continental series. It's just so obvious to me that the Continental was built from an existing low rung VW platform. I'm sure if VWAG really wanted to they could have made the financial stretch to build a more authentic platform worthy of the Bentley name.

 

[Merc1]

I find it hard to articulate, but I'm not trying to make the point that the Continental series is inferior to the Ghost because of platform sharing. Utilizing existing platforms and components is quite cost effective and extremely resourceful, obviously. What it really comes down to is the execution of the final product, and it is here I feel VWAG failed. Especially when you look at the effort made with the Muslanne compared to the Continental series. It's just so obvious to me that the Continental was built from an existing low rung VW platform. I'm sure if VWAG really wanted to they could have made the financial stretch to build a more authentic platform worthy of the Bentley name.

Yeah I get it...we're on the same page here. I too despise the Continental series....but I think we just have different reasons for doing so. You don't like the platform and that they didn't do enough to bring it up to Bentley standards, I hate the look and design...lol. They wanted something cheap to build and that would sell and it worked, but granted the crowd that mainly bought/buys the Conti series are new to Bentley and regarded the Arnage as an old man's car. I'll prefer the Arnage to any Continental variant until the last Arnage is handbuilt. That said the Speed version of the convertbile bug isn't too bad.


M

 

[Centurion]

Especially when you look at the effort made with the Muslanne compared to the Continental series. It's just so obvious to me that the Continental was built from an existing low rung VW platform.

But the CGT series is not composed of low rug products. Go spend some time in a Flying Spur and you'll be impressed by well put together the cabin is. The quality is well above the average S-Class/7-Series and A8 interior quality. VAG has developed an extremely high value product that is not much more expensive than a fully loaded 760L or CL600 but offer a clear superiority in fit and finish. I do feel that the Bentley brand have suffered a bit as a result of the affordable price which further looked tempting thanks to the availability of cheap credit which evidently lead to a financial meltdown.

BMW AG's decision to safe guard the RR's brand from heavy commercialisation is a good decision though Bentley's success with the CGT series does clearly show that there is a gap between to be filled between the 150-250k price spectrum. From my point of view the Flying Spur and Ghost will be evenly matched in terms of quality and reliability though the Ghost is be a tempting car for individuals who live in areas where every other successful junior banker or soccer player owns a CGT. Because the partial appeal of buying a Bentley or Rolls Royce is actually exclusivity but with exclusivity comes a high price off course but I'm glad that BMW AG aren't excessively profit hungry.

 

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[NarutoRamen]

LOL, the actual vid for this is completely different because he is going forward laughing at "Turtle". I saw that episode of Entourage, and his Drophead is pretty phat. Yes, yes I went there. LOL

 

[HighestOfHigh]

Looks like he realized he should have brought a Bentley. LLS

 

[klier]

^ Two for the price of that Drophead....

 

[EnI]

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[HighestOfHigh]

^ Any updates on possible pricing?

 

[ree]

^ Any updates on possible pricing?

If I only speaked this language, I could give some more infos:

Rolls Royce Ghost kost 350K Euro » Autoblog.nl

 

[EnI]

^ Any updates on possible pricing?

In UK: 195k GBP, compared to 270k GBP for a Phantom SWB saloon.

 

[klier]

If I only speaked this language, I could give some more infos:

Rolls Royce Ghost kost 350K Euro » Autoblog.nl

Dutch, not that different from German. I can read German
Anyways, 350,000 Euro is for Netherlands, but that includes our crazy taxes.....Without taxes the car costs 213,000 Euro, that should be the same in Germany...

 

[ree]

Dutch, not that different from German. I can read German
Anyways, 350,000 Euro is for Netherlands, but that includes our crazy taxes.....Without taxes the car costs 213,000 Euro, that should be the same in Germany...

I can read german, too! But I didn't want to give wrong informations. So thanks…

 

[HighestOfHigh]

Not bad, it will be interesting to see what the U.S. price looks like.